D.C. Examiner: Zorn's job in jeopardy? (not so fast he's coming back)

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by bedlamVR

What a difference a month makes . I am glad I am no longer on Extremeskins site . Last week all the chatter was about changing QB... dumb...now we want to throw the HC out...I dispair ..

The one thing I don't like about this media age is opinion, rumor and innuendo become fact . The run on Campbell last week I think was started by a rumor on the ES board there was no fact to it . Now Snider is giving his opinion as fact and I hate to think what is happening .

The problem is the media and the fans are fickle and inconsistent with very short memories.

They say "We NEED to build through the draft" then shout and scream when the draft picks do not become instant stars .... you want an instant star you go out and buy one in free agency .

They say "We NEED stability" then shout and cry and demand change at the first sign of adversity ... We have lost 4 of the last 5 games but in that 4 game streak we played the Steelers, Giants, Ravens and Cowboys ... the game I am most upset about is the Boys game who simply sat on the short routes and we should have used more draws and longer passes to counter that but with a gimpy Moss our deap game was done for.

Taking the boys out of that the combined record of those other three is 30-9 . That is a rough patch for any team to endure . if you include the boys 38-14.

There are a lot of good things going on with the team, flashes from the rookies like when Thomas made the sideline catch and then just shed the DB who tried to make the tackle ... Portis pouting is not one of them but I think Portis is a speak first think later kind of guy .... think Mike Vick and dog fighting ... I think it is interesting one thing that isn't being talked about is Zorn trying to fix fences ...

The problem is if your team goes 6-2 and is in the nations capital it is going to get attention ..

One of the most astute posts I'v ever read here

[tryfuhl]

agreed, there are glimpses of greatness

but more question marks to pound till we got somethin solid than mario

[irish]

Nothing the Skins do would surprise me but if they did this it would officially stamp the Skins and the 2nd worst franchise (Det is worst) in the NFL. This would be a stupid move of titanic proportions but like I said, its the Skins and nothing they do surprises me.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by irish

Nothing the Skins do would surprise me but if they did this it would officially stamp the Skins and the 2nd worst franchise (Det is worst) in the NFL. This would be a stupid move of titanic proportions but like I said, its the Skins and nothing they do surprises me.

How about:

Oakland
Cincinnati
Kansas City
St. Louis
Cleveland
San Fran

[Jake2008]

I see alot of people commenting that he has a team that made the playoffs last year and he has the same defensive and offensive players. Last year we had Taylor and then after his passing the team used that to propel them to the playoffs and we just barely made it.

The fact that we have the same team and not an improved team is a problem that rests with the FO. Most of the other teams have improved and added new players. We have alot of old guys who are just a year older and at their age it makes a big difference. Blaming this on Zorn is ridiculous. You can't win with an offensive line that is basically a turnstyle and a defensive line that can't get to the QB even when we blitz.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Jake2008

I see alot of people commenting that he has a team that made the playoffs last year and he has the same defensive and offensive players. Last year we had Taylor and then after his passing the team used that to propel them to the playoffs and we just barely made it.

The fact that we have the same team and not an improved team is a problem that rests with the FO. Most of the other teams have improved and added new players. We have alot of old guys who are just a year older and at their age it makes a big difference. Blaming this on Zorn is ridiculous. You can't win with an offensive line that is basically a turnstyle and a defensive line that can't get to the QB even when we blitz.

I say it in another thread, the FO spends too much $ for the Skins to ever go 1-15 but they dont build the team the way championship teams are built so as a result this team is stuck (as its been for a long time now) in that zone between bad team and champion always finishing somewhere in the 8-8 range. What I am starting hear is that fans are beginning to feel the fan being bled out of them and that's not a good thing for ticket sales, etc.

[Jake2008]

Originally Posted by irish

I say it in another thread, the FO spends too much $ for the Skins to ever go 1-15 but they dont build the team the way championship teams are built so as a result this team is stuck (as its been for a long time now) in that zone between bad team and champion always finishing somewhere in the 8-8 range. What I am starting hear is that fans are beginning to feel the fan being bled out of them and that's not a good thing for ticket sales, etc.

Ya I really wish we would have hired Parcells and canned Cerrato to build this team the way it should be built, thru the draft. The fact Parcells was willing to give up Taylor should have told us to walk away from that deal.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Jake2008

I see alot of people commenting that he has a team that made the playoffs last year and he has the same defensive and offensive players. Last year we had Taylor and then after his passing the team used that to propel them to the playoffs and we just barely made it.

The fact that we have the same team and not an improved team is a problem that rests with the FO. Most of the other teams have improved and added new players. We have alot of old guys who are just a year older and at their age it makes a big difference. Blaming this on Zorn is ridiculous. You can't win with an offensive line that is basically a turnstyle and a defensive line that can't get to the QB even when we blitz.

Well some of the younger guys (Campbell, Rogers, Blades, McIntosh, Montgomery, Alexander) have another year of experience under their belts and some of the others (Horton, Thomas, Kelly, Hall to an extent) are just starting to get experience. And still others (Davis, Rinehart, Tryon) should start getting that experience soon.

The problem isn't as much having the players (though I agree they need more) to improve the team, it's more so making the commitment to play those players. The reality is that that commitment could mean you deal with a couple of dreadful seasons where we aren't hovering around the playoff picture until the final week. This team may just have to be awful to be great.

[Jake2008]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well some of the younger guys (Campbell, Rogers, Blades, McIntosh, Montgomery, Alexander) have another year of experience under their belts and some of the others (Horton, Thomas, Kelly, Hall to an extent) are just starting to get experience. And still others (Davis, Rinehart, Tryon) should start getting that experience soon.

The problem isn't as much having the players (though I agree they need more) to improve the team, it's more so making the commitment to play those players. The reality is that that commitment could mean you deal with a couple of dreadful seasons where we aren't hovering around the playoff picture until the final week. This team may just have to be awful to be great.

I agree those guys are getting more experience, unfortunately most are not playing at the positions where we need the most help, the offensive and defensive lines. I think our defense would be dominant if we had a defensive lineman that could rush the QB and command double teams. And I really think our offense would be pretty good if we could just provide some protection for Campbell. These are the areas where we haven't improved at all. In fact we lost Daniels which was one of our better lineman.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Jake2008

I agree those guys are getting more experience, unfortunately most are not playing at the positions where we need the most help, the offensive and defensive lines. I think our defense would be dominant if we had a defensive lineman that could rush the QB and command double teams. And I really think our offense would be pretty good if we could just provide some protection for Campbell. These are the areas where we haven't improved at all. In fact we lost Daniels which was one of our better lineman.

Well, I think that we have some good young pieces (still missing a dominant piece) on the defensive line but would agree that we need much more help on the offensive line. Although I have really high hopes for Rinehart and think Heyer is at least decent.

Losing Daniels definitely hurt us, but what arguably hurt us just as much was that his backup who was supposed to play a bigger role this season (Alex Buzbee) got hurt on the same day.

[Vulta121]

I hope Zorn gets fired. I want Cowher IN O9-10!! This guy might be able to be a head coach in 5-7 years but right now he's just a good coordinator. He would be a great o-coord. thats all.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Vulta121

I hope Zorn gets fired. I want Cowher IN O9-10!! This guy might be able to be a head coach in 5-7 years but right now he's just a good coordinator. He would be a great o-coord. thats all.

If the Skins fire Zorn after 1 year only an idiot or someone totally desperate would want to coach in this disfunctional organization. Oh yea, I almost forgot, someone who wants a big paycheck since paying people is what this organization does best.

[MrJL]

Originally Posted by irish

If the Skins fire Zorn after 1 year only an idiot or someone totally desperate would want to coach in this disfunctional organization. Oh yea, I almost forgot, someone who wants a big paycheck since paying people is what this organization does best.

Unless the Redskins hire someone who would retain Zorn's offense changing coaches would only hurt Jason Campbell. There's only so much a guy can be expected to absorb

[Hog1]

This is not going to happen.
The fact that a rumor such as this is being passed around (by some of you) and discussed as a possible avenue to success of this team is a REAL shame. Any of you Ninnie's endorsing such a move, need to spend a little more time looking for work................and less time here. Well....there is that drug test thing.....problem

[tc200716]

It is completely understandable that Jim Zorn is a rookie head coach/coordinator and needs time, but it's a bad experiment with the wrong team. People keep saying its the personnel problems but this very same team was good enough to go to the playoffs last year and go 6-2 earlier this year against very good teams. NOW...I'm a die hard Redskins fan and the one thing I'm starting to notice is I'm able to predict the plays we call before we hike the ball. It's just that predictable. YES Campbell played well earlier and YES he has improved from last year, but much of that success is from a new system and a QB with limited knowledge of it. Defenses have figured us out. Our Offensive Line is not fully responsible for the protection problems either as we now have so many protection schemes and no one is fully getting it. The Offense is so complexed that its even slowing the progress of rookies like Devin Thomas and Fred Davis because they're confused. Not just them but Veterans too. It all falls down to Zorn for most of the blame. This Redskins Team right now is very good in personnel but we need the right Offensive Coordinator and scheme and Zorn just isn't it. Last year our offense was making progress under Al Saunders from what control of the offense he did have with Gibbs and it makes no sense why we got rid of him. We played well with the lil we had and not to mention the O-Line injuries. We would have excell with the new rookies this year. Every loved the WCO first because it spreads the offense and gives Campbell more options but what people failed to realize is that is also brings a lot more responsibility to everyone, and now its getting to all the players as you can see. Zorn may be a good coach but just not now and not with us...I hope he does get Fired...even at 6-2 i knew we would really struggle soon