Defense = Disappointment

[sandtrapjack]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

I was reading the post like who is this guy they are speaking of. Then I realized that the post were very vague and unintelligent. Then it dawned on me..Dallas fan. Scrolled down. There he was. LMAO

Laugh all you want, but nothing takes away from the fact that Haynesworth got the biggest contract in history in the off season. And in his regular season debut he got only 4 tackles. Which ranks him at #178 of all defense players in the NFL.

I am not saying AH sucks, I am not saying he's not that good. To the contrary he is a force in the middle.

But I am saying that by week 6, if he is STILL averaging only 4 tackles per game the Redskins could have gotten that production for much less money is all.

As much as I read forum members here complaining about over paying players in the past like Deion Sanders, Brandon Jacobs, Antwan Randle El etc etc I would think that you would understand my meaning.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

Laugh all you want, but nothing takes away from the fact that Haynesworth got the biggest contract in history in the off season. And in his regular season debut he got only 4 tackles. Which ranks him at #178 of all defense players in the NFL.

I am not saying AH sucks, I am not saying he's not that good. To the contrary he is a force in the middle.

But I am saying that by week 6, if he is STILL averaging only 4 tackles per game the Redskins could have gotten that production for much less money is all.

As much as I read forum members here complaining about over paying players in the past like Deion Sanders, Brandon Jacobs, Antwan Randle El etc etc I would think that you would understand my meaning.

His job isn't necessarily tackles. His job is to take up 2 or three linemen when he is in. The better judgement will be if our DE's and LBs are getting in to make plays quicker, and are we getting more tackles for loss as a team. If we are judging value by his stat line alone, I doubt he would ever be worth it.

Another way to say it, Brandon Jacobs ran effectively against us both games last season(we all remember his off tackle run where he bowled over LL). This game he didn't and so they had to switch to an outside runner whose goal, I think they admitted this, was to tire AH out. If opposing teams are changing their game to focus on AH then he is worth it, because as much as I like our DT's from last year, let's be honest, no team gameplanned around the interior of our line.

Finally, we are talking about the Giants Oline, which has been a very effective line for 2 1/2 years now. Let's see how well some other teams handle it before we write off the AH effect.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

Laugh all you want, but nothing takes away from the fact that Haynesworth got the biggest contract in history in the off season. And in his regular season debut he got only 4 tackles. Which ranks him at #178 of all defense players in the NFL.

I am not saying AH sucks, I am not saying he's not that good. To the contrary he is a force in the middle.

But I am saying that by week 6, if he is STILL averaging only 4 tackles per game the Redskins could have gotten that production for much less money is all.

As much as I read forum members here complaining about over paying players in the past like Deion Sanders, Brandon Jacobs, Antwan Randle El etc etc I would think that you would understand my meaning.

I don't understand what you are trying to do here, other than stretch an overused criticism of our team. Last year Brandon Jacobs ran all over us, he was a non-factor this year. We did get pressure on Eli, he threw a pick and coughed up the ball.

The key is that the rest of the defense played poorly (secondary), the team made stupid mistakes (personal fouls), the play calling was terrible, and our offense fizzled again.

If AH is not there, the Giants would have blown us out on the ground and in the air.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

Laugh all you want, but nothing takes away from the fact that Haynesworth got the biggest contract in history in the off season. And in his regular season debut he got only 4 tackles. Which ranks him at #178 of all defense players in the NFL.

I am not saying AH sucks, I am not saying he's not that good. To the contrary he is a force in the middle.

But I am saying that by week 6, if he is STILL averaging only 4 tackles per game the Redskins could have gotten that production for much less money is all.

As much as I read forum members here complaining about over paying players in the past like Deion Sanders, Brandon Jacobs, Antwan Randle El etc etc I would think that you would understand my meaning.

Haynesworth's value isn't going to be measured by tackles, he typically only gets 3-4 a game anyway. Teams simply don't run his way.

[LMsexyAO]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

Laugh all you want, but nothing takes away from the fact that Haynesworth got the biggest contract in history in the off season. And in his regular season debut he got only 4 tackles. Which ranks him at #178 of all defense players in the NFL.

I am not saying AH sucks, I am not saying he's not that good. To the contrary he is a force in the middle.

But I am saying that by week 6, if he is STILL averaging only 4 tackles per game the Redskins could have gotten that production for much less money is all.

As much as I read forum members here complaining about over paying players in the past like Deion Sanders, Brandon Jacobs, Antwan Randle El etc etc I would think that you would understand my meaning.

Warren Sapp never averaged more than 3 tackles a game, per season, in his career. In fact, he often only averaged 2 tackles a game. Was he an overpaid bust too?

You don't measure dominate DT's by their tackle totals... that's just ridiculous.




Warren Sapp

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

^Well, we have a big fat game check and another chance of winning a football game next week.

[53Fan]

Haynesworth is already making his presence felt. Around the 5th game or so he'll be even more dominant. Even he has said they haven't gelled yet. I think you could say that about alot of defenses at this point in the season. Tampa Bays unheralded offense looked pretty damn good for awhile there, they just blew too many opportunities. There will be no regrets about signing Haynesworth.

[warriorzpath]

haynesworth shouldn't be the focus where disappointment is concerned. It's playing orakpo at linebacker and the secondary's play. If you're talking about defensive production, linebacker's the position that needs to produce and orakpo just didn't produce. He needs to either be limited at linebacker or completely be a defensive end. Because right now, he just isn't ready at linebacker and that's going to kill the redskins all year long if he continues to start there (lb).

The secondary needs to start playing together. Defensive backs are going to get beat on every team in every game, that usually is a given. But what separates the good secondaries from the bad ones is playing together and providing some help when a teammate needs it. That's why I said before the giants game, landry is going to need to step up his game this season.

And when landry stepped up his game - the result was an interception that put the redskins offense in good position.

[CRedskinsRule]

how would advising Crabtree not to play make any statistical sense?
It's a pretty linear regression saying that every week he holds out, he loses a game check. And the slotting process for rookies is pretty linear. you would have to be a complete imbecile and very bad with math, to try and show Crabtree should hold out from a purely analytical basis.

Not that it has any bearing on how our defense played or didn't play.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Our defense is horrible!!!!!!!!!!

[Hog1]

yes, they are

[TheSmurfs22]

While the D looked sloppy at times today (got to stop those 3rd down conv), you cannot expect them to carry this team game after game. The Skins' time of poss is horrendous, eventually it is going to take a toll on the D.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by TheSmurfs22

While the D looked sloppy at times today (got to stop those 3rd down conv), you cannot expect them to carry this team game after game. The Skins' time of poss is horrendous, eventually it is going to take a toll on the D.

The D helped contribute to the loss in the TOP battle by botching multiple oppurtunities to make a stop on 3rd down.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

The D helped contribute to the loss in the TOP battle by botching multiple oppurtunities to make a stop on 3rd down.

Exactly

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by TheSmurfs22

While the D looked sloppy at times today (got to stop those 3rd down conv), you cannot expect them to carry this team game after game. The Skins' time of poss is horrendous, eventually it is going to take a toll on the D.

The defense played a huge role in the time of possession. They allowed a rookie QB make them look like a mediocre-to-poor defense. I am starting to believe that Blache's scheme simply stinks. The man has repeatedly said that sacks are overrated. In my opinion, Blache is simply wrong. We don't produce pressure and so we don't produce big plays, despite having guys like Haynesworth, Orakpo, Fletcher, and others on defense. The defense bends, bends, bends, and occasionally breaks. While they don't let teams score 30 points on a consistent basis, they consistently fail to get a lot of 3 and outs and don't make the plays that they should.

Moreover, there are telltale signs of poor coaching. How many missed tackles have we seen over the past 3 weeks? That's Coaching 101. It's one thing if DBs are biting on play-action to often, it's quite another if they can't tackle. I just don't have any faith in this defense.