Haynesworth is Behaving Selfishly

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

I know where it came from, but I don't get the whole bitter girlfriend thing. At the core, this is about "who do you want in the foxhole with you". The 50+ guys who made sacrifices to be at the voluntary workouts to make the team better, or the one selfish a-hole who didn't.

So you want the Redskins to build a roster based on attendance and being a good boyscout as opposed to skill and play on the field? Not me.
You talk about who you want in the foxhole with you. Look at who was the only ballsy Redskin that ran to DeAngelo Halls defense when NY Giants Beatty and Jacobs tried to jack up DeAngelo. AH. No other Redskins player on the field had the guts to defend their teammate.

YouTube - Giants fight

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

I know where it came from, but I don't get the whole bitter girlfriend thing. At the core, this is about "who do you want in the foxhole with you". The 50+ guys who made sacrifices to be at the voluntary workouts to make the team better, or the one selfish a-hole who didn't.

I don't know about a foxhole, but on the field I want the best players playing in the position that suits them the best. Personally, I don't think being at voluntary work outs is a sacrifice, but I do understand why it would be good to have everyone at these voluntary workouts.

Outside of his injuries, Shawn Springs missed a number of voluntary camps/workouts, and I'm sure a lot of people would have wanted him in the foxhole.

[CRedskinsRule]

It would also seem to me, and I realize this is an apologist speaking, that everyone knows what AH does and doesn't bring, but we now have ALOT of new D Linemen that would be taking the majority of the snaps/work when there so that the coaches can evaluate them. I also still hold to my belief that AH is going to be used mainly when the D wants a fairly solid 4-3 look, with subs coming in the rest of the time. So while AH not being there for these early camps may hurt from the "team building" and public perception aspects, I am willing to bet a bunch that actual game performance isn't affected at all.

[hooskins]

To be clear, I am not defending AH. I think he should be here, but he is doing what he thinks is best for him. And once again for those who understand, it's NOT mandatory. The NFLPA has come to agreement with the NFL as to the number of mandatory workouts for vets and this isn't. He doesn't have to show.

If they want to make it mandatory, maybe the coaches should take it up with the NFL and have them negotiate it with the NFLPA.

Even if AH comes here and stinks it up, I am not going to eat crow and admit anything. As long as it isn't mandatory the play can do whatever he wants. Especially considering the fact he stunk it up when he was in Ashburn last year this time.

[CRedskinsRule]

The vinny avatar should be banned now, whenever i see it i get creeped out.

thanks for listening.

[CRedskinsRule]

This "debate" really has ended up like the JC debate: the haters continually put out their reasons for hating, assuming that the non-haters need to be convinced, meanwhile the non-haters tend to agree with the basic principles of the haters while maintaining a positive overall view.
As it relates to this AH subject: I imagine 0% of the Warpath thinks AH is doing the best thing by staying away.

BUT, the haters group takes his staying away and makes argument after argument as to why this proves the absolute stupidity of a) AH, b) the FO, c) both, and vilifies everything that does not fit in their idea of the right move

AND, the non-haters group gets put in the corner of defending a) AH, b) the FO, c) both when in reality most non-haters are agreeable to the fact that both sides to one degree or another are at fault, but they hold off on pure condemnation.

Thus neither side gets the true capitulation it needs, and the debate can never really be resolved.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

This "debate" really has ended up like the JC debate: the haters continually put out their reasons for hating, assuming that the non-haters need to be convinced, meanwhile the non-haters tend to agree with the basic principles of the haters while maintaining a positive overall view.
As it relates to this AH subject: I imagine 0% of the Warpath thinks AH is doing the best thing by staying away.

BUT, the haters group takes his staying away and makes argument after argument as to why this proves the absolute stupidity of a) AH, b) the FO, c) both, and vilifies everything that does not fit in their idea of the right move

AND, the non-haters group gets put in the corner of defending a) AH, b) the FO, c) both when in reality most non-haters are agreeable to the fact that both sides to one degree or another are at fault, but they hold off on pure condemnation.

Thus neither side gets the true capitulation it needs, and the debate can never really be resolved.

Well said. I often find myself defending a player even though I don't neccessarily feel he's completely innocent of criticism, just because of the wild accusations thrown at him based on speculation.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

This "debate" really has ended up like the JC debate: the haters continually put out their reasons for hating, assuming that the non-haters need to be convinced, meanwhile the non-haters tend to agree with the basic principles of the haters while maintaining a positive overall view.
As it relates to this AH subject: I imagine 0% of the Warpath thinks AH is doing the best thing by staying away.

BUT, the haters group takes his staying away and makes argument after argument as to why this proves the absolute stupidity of a) AH, b) the FO, c) both, and vilifies everything that does not fit in their idea of the right move

AND, the non-haters group gets put in the corner of defending a) AH, b) the FO, c) both when in reality most non-haters are agreeable to the fact that both sides to one degree or another are at fault, but they hold off on pure condemnation.

Thus neither side gets the true capitulation it needs, and the debate can never really be resolved.

Why you hatin so much?

[CRedskinsRule]

nm: pic was probably better left in off topic zone

[MTK]

^^ I was with you until you posted that.

Poor guy is fighting his guts out on that run.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

^^ I was with you until you posted that.

Poor guy is fighting his guts out on that run.

Yeah, i thought it fit but I understand your sentiment.

[RedskinsfaninBaltimore]

The fact that we were 4-12 last season automatically makes voluntary camp mandatory. Especially since we have a new defensive coordinator

[hooskins]

BHA you really think AH is that dumb? That he can press a coach to change his entire defensive formation? Come on man.

Also why break his work out regimen to come here for 3 days of voluntary workouts? Why not train where he feels best for him, rather than a place that would only hinder him?

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by hooskins

BHA you really think AH is that dumb? That he can press a coach to change his entire defensive formation? Come on man.

Also why break his work out regimen to come here for 3 days of voluntary workouts? Why not train where he feels best for him, rather than a place that would only hinder him?

Because every other teammate is there, there's a new coaching staff, and new system being implemented. The 3-day camp is a lot more about implementing scheme and coaches evaluations of players than physical workouts.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by hooskins

BHA you really think AH is that dumb? That he can press a coach to change his entire defensive formation? Come on man.

Also why break his work out regimen to come here for 3 days of voluntary workouts? Why not train where he feels best for him, rather than a place that would only hinder him?

why do you think a minicamp is the same as a workout.

i dont know about AH being dumb, but I do actually think he is self-centered enough to beleive that the team should cater to what he thinks makes him the most effective player.