The Official Defense Has Major Issues/Fire Jim Haslett Thread

[tootergray34]

we should impulse fire our coach and get a new one...clearly a new coach is the direction this org. needs...I mean it's worked before right...right!

PANIC BUTTON AAAHHHHHH

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Let's not forget what this team really is. Whatever shades of the Joe Gibbs 2007 playoff team faded away at the midway point of 2008 after a 6-2 start. Beginning at the 2-6 slide to finish that season, and counting last season plus this year's games, the Redskins have lost 20 of the last 27 games.

That puts us in the same class as the Browns, the Lions, the Chiefs, the Raiders and the Rams of the league. And it's going to take a while to get out.

It's going to take Shanahan & Co. at least 3 yrs. to construct a roster of players that could possibly win at least 10 games. First he needs to purge the roster of it's dead weight, stop trading away it's draft picks and reconcile to a new beginning of building a team that will be able to compete for an extended period of time. In order to accomplish that they've got to bury that win now philosophy. This team does not have the right players right now [on either side of the ball] and I think they'll figure it out sooner rather than later.

The only problem with my reasoning is that if the team dosen't begin to win quickly after all the happy talk leading into the season, Shanahan himself will start feeling the heat. He's going to find that the same rail out of town that all his predecessors have experienced will be just a heartbeat away.

Question? How patient are the fans going to be with this administration if the team dosen't begin to show some promise?

Patience!!.....Time!!...Oh Boy!!

[Alvin Walton]

Three games into the season in a gutted/ripped out/Vinny fecked over/short on draft picks team and a lot of guys want to burn down Redskin Park already.

[CrustyRedskin]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Let's not forget what this team really is. Whatever shades of the Joe Gibbs 2007 playoff team faded away at the midway point of 2008 after a 6-2 start. Beginning at the 2-6 slide to finish that season, and counting last season plus this year's games, the Redskins have lost 20 of the last 27 games.

That puts us in the same class as the Browns, the Lions, the Chiefs, the Raiders and the Rams of the league. And it's going to take a while to get out.

The "Chefs" are 3-0!!!!!! Take them out plug us in!!!!!!!!!!!! We're back at the bottom baby!!!

[irish]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Yea Irish let's be honest, how many teams in the NFL are we better than talent wise? Cleveland, STL, Detroit and Buffalo. That's probably it my man

You are correct. The Skins losing to StL isnt like if NE had lost to Buffalo yesterday. The Skins are a bottom of the league team like those you mentioned so yesterday's game was one weak team losing to another.

[12thMan]

Definitely bottom of the league right now. There's no way in hell you go from a consistent top ten defense to number 32? The 3-4 isn't that bad. Haslett is horrible, no other way around it.

[InsaneBoost]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

98 and 30 are the only 3-4 players. Maybe Moore.. Fletcher doesn't fit the scheme, he's out of place and his tackles are way down.

I agree, but what I'm saying is out of all he seems to not being doing as terrible you know?

I mean I'm jumping the gun, but I don't see this crap working out, we have a good 3 years till they get this whole team in check.

[MTK]

The defense has issues but firing Haslett 3 games in isn't going to solve anything.

[InsaneBoost]

The problem I have is, why bring him in when the 3-4 isn't fit here? I can understand getting rid of Blache, but bringing in Haslett only sets us back a good 2 years maybe more.

Just wasn't a smart move.

[SolidSnake84]

I've always heard it takes 7 years to field a team to the point where it is dynasty/repeatedly competitive, like New England, IND, etc...

By the time this team is ready to go, McNabb would be 39 turning 40, probably retired. Portis will be retired. Cooley will be 35, our young players will be nearing 30. The whole team should be ready to go but we would probably definitely need a new QB by that point.

And thats saying Dan sticks with Shanahan that long. Even if it takes 5 years to get competitive, most of our standout players will be nearing retirement if not retired.

[MTK]

7 years?

[skinsfaninok]

I agree that Haslett has sucked but in all honesty we just dont have the talent to be a great D..... Orakpo is amazing so he can play any defense, 92 is a really good DT not NT! Our corners are avg at best, Hall has games where he looks great and then he has games like yesterday. Carlos Rogers is a bum, the guy gives up stupid wide open plays every game, he can't catch worth a shit and is slow. Landry is a monster and run d and pass rush but his cover skills suck. Moore is young and athletic so he's also a keeper. Fletcher is a border line HOF player, but he doesn't fit the 3-4 scheme. Everyone else on the defense just isnt talented enough to carry this team. Look at Dallas for example, they have a great pass rush and very good Corners. Jenkins and Newman are as good as it gets.

Either way we have to rebuild and plan for the future, we don't have a win now team imo

[MTK]

Originally Posted by InsaneBoost

The problem I have is, why bring him in when the 3-4 isn't fit here? I can understand getting rid of Blache, but bringing in Haslett only sets us back a good 2 years maybe more.

Just wasn't a smart move.

Obviously you're not going to get every player you need in one offseason, and that goes for any system change, offense included. It's going to take another offseason to get closer to where things need to be on both sides of the ball.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

The defense has issues but firing Haslett 3 games in isn't going to solve anything.

True, at this point we're married to Has and this crappy ass 3-4 defense. Scrapping him or the defense just isn't the answer right now. But he's done just a horrible job of implementing this system and an even worse job making in- game substitutions and game planning. Where's Jeremy Jarmon? Where's Chris Wilson for crying out loud!?

Look, the 3-4 works. But there's no way in hell we should be dropping from #10, or whatever we were last year, to last in the league. That's more than a personnel problem in my opinion. They came in here married to this defensive philosophy and now we're paying a dear price.

[Dirtbag59]

I think this video is a great microcosm of our season so far as well as a look into whats about to happen.

"Oh man things are good." - Me after we beat the Cowboys

"Oh no." - Me after we loss to the Texans

*Weird alien creature dropping towel out window* - Me after Rams loss

The green glowing guy....well thats Mike Vick against our Defense next week.