D. Hall is our lone Pro Bowl selection

[warriorzpath]

Hall is better than what most of you think. You just don't luck into 4 interceptions in one game.

[tryfuhl]

Actually he lucked into a few of them that game. Props for being able to hold onto them though lol

[44ever]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

Actually he lucked into a few of them that game. Props for being able to hold onto them though lol

Some call it luck, some call it ball awareness. Argument seems pointless at this point.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by 44ever

Some call it luck, some call it ball awareness. Argument seems pointless at this point.

I'm not his biggest fan but I have to agree 44. He's not in a position to make INT's by accident. He LOOKS to make them. Sometimes this may cause him to get beat...but I'll take all the TO's we can get.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

I'm not his biggest fan but I have to agree 44. He's not in a position to make INT's by accident. He LOOKS to make them. Sometimes this may cause him to get beat...but I'll take all the TO's we can get.

I've said this in the past, the INTs by Hall would have been more meaningful if the offense would have actually turned those turnovers into points. Unfortunately they didn't turn those TOs into points, so a lot of those INTs were for nothing (literally).

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I've said this in the past, the INTs by Hall would have been more meaningful if the offense would have actually turned those turnovers into points. Unfortunately they didn't turn those TOs into points, so a lot of those INTs were for nothing (literally).

Well, the field position we get on his INTs has value in terms of winning the game, even if the team doesn't move the ball. Maybe less value now that our punt returner is a home run threat, but 5 of Hall's 6 INTs this year had value (exception: the Philly hail mary).

Hall's issue isn't that his INTs aren't paid off by the offense, its that he gives his offense field position, then does a lot to take it away the rest of the game. But he's made measurable improvements against the run, and so a lot of short completions against him go for meaningless amounts of yardage. He's improved a lot against short passes.

I think the biggest issue for Hall's apologists is that many don't seem to want to admit that most teams have a corner who is more valuable than Hall. Sometimes, as an analyst, it's frustrating to see people ignore reality by such a gap as is frequent with Hall. Sometimes, people have to put down Rogers to make Hall look better, which seems really silly to me (I suppose you could say the same about the reverse). But he's a valuable player, and though I think one of the ways to improve the defense would be to use Hall differently (or not at all), I definitely wouldn't want to give back the big plays he gives us while looking for an upgrade.

When Hall pulls the ball out, he usually aims to score. Our defense did none of that under Blache, and it hurt my brain.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

Actually he lucked into a few of them that game. Props for being able to hold onto them though lol

He must just be one lucky guy. I don't know... I think if it was one interception, that might just be being at the right place at the right time by accident. But if you're talking about his record-tying performance, that means that he was at the right place at the right time 4 TIMES.

Football is all about team and player positioning on the field.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

He must just be one lucky guy. I don't know... I think if it was one interception, that might just be being at the right place at the right time by accident. But if you're talking about his record-tying performance, that means that he was at the right place at the right time 4 TIMES.

Football is all about team and player positioning on the field.

Two he came into on poor throws and the other two were thrown directly to him as if he were the receiver. That's not to say that he didn't do the right things but had the QB and receiver done the right things maybe only one of those would've been picked. I'm not taking anything away from Hall but there's a reason that he came down with 4 that day and only 2 on the rest of the year. If you don't believe me just watch the video.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

Two he came into on poor throws and the other two were thrown directly to him as if he were the receiver. That's not to say that he didn't do the right things but had the QB and receiver done the right things maybe only one of those would've been picked. I'm not taking anything away from Hall but there's a reason that he came down with 4 that day and only 2 on the rest of the year. If you don't believe me just watch the video.

To me, capitalizing on opposing players' mistakes and circumstances does not equate to being lucky.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

To me, capitalizing on opposing players' mistakes and circumstances does not equate to being lucky.

That's like saying walking behind a guy who drops a 100 dollar bill and then he vanishes isn't lucky. He was out of position a couple of times and luckily Cutler put it in that spot.

[GTripp0012]

This is intended as a positive and a negative (not just a negative), but I think "2011 Pro Bowl MVP" might be the perfect honor to bestow on a player with DeAngelo Hall's career. It's fitting.

Hall will always have value as long as he puts the ball in the end zone on defense. But it's hard for me to fathom a significant improvement in our pass D with him in his current role. You've just got to take the positive with the negative with Hall. He brought a ton of both in 2010, a rather memorable year for him in a forgettable year for the Redskins.

[GTripp0012]

A stat that might surprise some people is that Hall doesn't actually intercept passes at a higher rate than the average corner who gets thrown at as many times as he does. Or at least that was the case from 2004-2009. I doubt it's different now with 6 picks in about 105 targets this year: that's pretty standard for the position.

It would be false to say that Hall creates INT opportunities. He does not.

But Hall is in rarefied air on his INT returns: he's just better at them than most guys in the league. Both in terms of yards and scores.

[skinsguy]

All I really wanted to say about Hall this whole time is the dude got Pro Bowl honors which IS a high honor in the NFL, no matter what a bunch of fans may think about the game itself. A player being a "pro bowl" caliber player seems to be important when we talk about free agents, why would it be different in Hall's case?

[Paintrain]

Full disclosure, I'm a D. Hall fan.. In the landscape of the NFL he's probably an ordinary corner that does extraordinary things. He's got playmaking ability most corners lack, he has makeup speed that's not elite but a slight notch below, he has good route recognition (most of the time) and isn't afraid to step up and make a tackle.

I think his detractors see the plays he makes and chalks them up to luck and focus on his celebrations and see him as a Deion wannabe with nowhere near the talent. If a pass is completed on him or he gets beat for a TD then 'Ah, he sucks!'. In what his strengths are-making plays on the ball, turning INT and fumble returns into points or flipping field position, stepping in and making tackles-he's probably in the top 5 in the league. In the areas he struggles in, man to man with his back to the QB, taking risks and playing trail position-he's average.

End of the day, I'll take the reward that he brings at the expense of the risk of giving up some receptions.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Full disclosure, I'm a D. Hall fan.. In the landscape of the NFL he's probably an ordinary corner that does extraordinary things. He's got playmaking ability most corners lack, he has makeup speed that's not elite but a slight notch below, he has good route recognition (most of the time) and isn't afraid to step up and make a tackle.

I think his detractors see the plays he makes and chalks them up to luck and focus on his celebrations and see him as a Deion wannabe with nowhere near the talent. If a pass is completed on him or he gets beat for a TD then 'Ah, he sucks!'. In what his strengths are-making plays on the ball, turning INT and fumble returns into points or flipping field position, stepping in and making tackles-he's probably in the top 5 in the league. In the areas he struggles in, man to man with his back to the QB, taking risks and playing trail position-he's average.

End of the day, I'll take the reward that he brings at the expense of the risk of giving up some receptions.

I agree with a lot of this. Overall, I think Los and Hall actually complement each other very well, and even though our D had some rough moments, I hope we keep both. Hall has outstanding hands and QB's know that if he's in the area they need to be careful with their throws. That's an asset in Pass Defense if it makes the QB hesitate or re-scan. Los, may not make QB's fear throwing his way, but he can keep his receivers covered very well. This can and has caused problems for opposing QBs and there is a reason PB was getting thrown on as much as he was. Out of all the defensive positions, I would think CB is not one we should be spending a lot of draft or FA effort on.