IF We Take A QB At #10...Who Do You Want?

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by DCtoAZ

Newton is on a rocket ship and it's headed right for DC ... i change my opinion on this guy on a day to day basis

I do also lol Actually I wouldn't mind drafting him SHIT why not?? This team needs a Young Star to come in and have high expectations

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Which was my point all along, there is a context to the stats and if you look only at the stats you miss the evaluation.


Again were back to a looking at the stats.
If the stats were the sum of his ability then according to your view it would be long odds for Locker to improve his comp%.

When you repeatedly avoid the question about how many Washington games you've watched leads me to believe that you haven't seen Locker play very often.
If stats were excluded from the discussion and we just look at Locker as a prospect i bet you would have a different opinion of him; especially his accuracy.

HTTR!

I don't think we can just ignore what Locker's statistics say just because they don't always match up with the film. It's hard to make any completely conclusive statements based on only statistics, but I would argue that "Jake Locker is not worthy of the 10th overall selection" is one of those statements.

That's to say nothing of where his value might actually lie, I was just trying to point out that even though you might sometimes have to talk about stats, I can isolate a single statistic from the rest of the picture and show how rare it is for someone who can't complete passes to be successful. Rare does not equal impossible: Doug Williams had multiple valuable years where he was at the bottom of the league in comp %. That's not to avoid context, but I don't believe you can view that point as valueless and still remain intellectually honest.

If a GREAT team were to take a flyer on Jake Locker and then tear him down and try to rebuild his mechanics, maybe you get a different player entirely. But even in such a hypothetical, you're already given the benefit of a strong organizations, and with the exception of maybe the 2009 Packers, strong organizations don't pick in the top ten unless they pick up a pick from a lesser organization.

[FRPLG]

Rather than draft Newton I'd rather wait and draft Tyrod Taylor in the 4th round. I watched enough of both this year. They're the same player. Newton is taller. Tyrod is more experienced. That's it.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Rather than draft Newton I'd rather wait and draft Tyrod Taylor in the 4th round. I watched enough of both this year. They're the same player. Newton is taller. Tyrod is more experienced. That's it.

And where is this 4th round pick coming from? The draft fairy?

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

And where is this 4th round pick coming from? The draft fairy?

Some folks really need to look before they ramble on :smashfrea

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Rather than draft Newton I'd rather wait and draft Tyrod Taylor in the 4th round. I watched enough of both this year. They're the same player. Newton is taller. Tyrod is more experienced. That's it.

LMAO now thats funny... Good Joke man

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

LMAO now thats funny... Good Joke man

It's no joke. Cam Newton is no NFL QB. Put it down. I kept trying all season to see him as a better version of Vince Young. One with a better head. All I saw was an athletic kid on a crazy talented team who'll get eaten alive in the NFL where he isn't nearly the athlete nor the passer Vick was when he came out.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

And where is this 4th round pick coming from? The draft fairy?

Haha...it was less of an actual idea than a point.

[wilsowilso]

I've decided to go with Locker. He might be a bit risky for #10 overall, but he is one of the top five college passers I have ever seen throwing on the run and he isn't afraid to target covered receivers a la Drew Brees(the best I have ever seen in this regard).

No matter how well a cb covers in the NFL an elite qb can set up the receiver to win the battle a vast majority of the time.

Most NFL qb's don't target covered receivers a la Jason Campbell. The reason is that their brains don't function fast enough and or they are pussies and or they just don't have the elite qb gene. I think this guy might have it.

He also has size, ridiculous speed and a big arm.

He fits the system.

I say go for it Shanahan.

[GTripp0012]

As long as we're talking about players who vastly underacheived expectations in 2010, I like Texas A&M's Jerrod Johnson as a 6th or 7th round project. I think he has a lot of Tyrod Taylor's skill set, but with way less of the steep curve that's ahead of teams who look at Taylor as a future NFL starter.

Taylor is a lot like Troy Smith coming out of college. 4 years later, Smith really still plays like a successful college QB instead of a long-term pro prospect. There's nothing inherent to suggest that Taylor is doomed to the same fate: I could see him being a great pro player. But having the complete skill set isn't a guarantee of NFL success.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

I've decided to go with Locker. He might be a bit risky for #10 overall, but he is one of the top five college passers I have ever seen on the run and he isn't afraid to target covered receivers a la Drew Brees(the best I have ever seen in this regard).

No matter how well a cb covers in the NFL an elite qb can set up the receiver to win the battle a vast majority of the time.

Most NFL qb's don't target covered receivers a la Jason Campbell. The reason is the are pussies and don't have the elite qb gene. I think this guy might have it.

He also has size, ridiculous speed and a big arm.

I say go for it Shanahan.

Locker does throw really well on the run and across his body. It's just that I loathe his pocket ability, or lack thereof.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

As long as we're talking about players who vastly underacheived expectations in 2010, I like Texas A&M's Jerrod Johnson as a 6th or 7th round project. I think he has a lot of Tyrod Taylor's skill set, but with way less of the steep curve that's ahead of teams who look at Taylor as a future NFL starter.

Taylor is a lot like Troy Smith coming out of college. 4 years later, Smith really still plays like a successful college QB instead of a long-term pro prospect. There's nothing inherent to suggest that Taylor is doomed to the same fate: I could see him being a great pro player. But having the complete skill set isn't a guarantee of NFL success.

I don't think much of Taylor's success as a QB in the NFL. I've watched enough of both he and Newton to realize the two are quite indistinguishable from each on the field other than their height.

But taking a flyer on Taylor in the 4th (I knew and know we don't have one) seems like a helluva better deal than drafting Cam Newton at 10. We don't have the luxury of drafting players with gigantic potential downsides like he does.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

I was just hypothesizing this based on the possibility of trading for what people are assuming we would get those players for. I know we obviously can not do that if we don't have the picks to do it with. Positive thoughts. If you think it, it will happen....

Yeah, I agree and I was not picking on you. I hope that positive thinking works.

But the reality right now is that we are not trading players for picks until a CBA gets done and no one knows when that will be.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Locker does throw really well on the run and across his body. It's just that I loathe his pocket ability, or lack thereof.

I didn't get to see a lot of Locker. What I did see didn't give me the warm fuzzies. He didn't appear to be much of a play maker in the pocket and their offense was rather stagnant because it seemed pretty basic. I didn't notice that he had great command and/or good recognition. All-in-all he looked like a tools guy rather than a heady-tools guy. You can coach up tools...coaching up heady is pretty damn hard.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Buster

Ponder would be the QB I'd like to get, but not at #10.

I agree. I was playing along with the premise of the thread.