How far can Beck take us?

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Should never have traded Jason Campbell

Please donkey punch yourself in the nads.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by mooby

Let's compare Shanahan to Spurrier.

Shanahan: 2 time Super Bowl winner.

Spurrier: Thought training camp served no purpose.

Shanahan: Can turn no name running backs into all-stars.

Spurrier: Had like 2 different pass protections - total. And both sucked.

Shanahan: Took a crappy QB in Jake Plummer out of a bad situation in AZ and turned him into a decent game manager.

Spurrier: Doomed Patrick Ramsey's career from the start. Now Ramsey is nothing but a journeyman, can't even settle in as a backup.

See where I'm going with this?

mooby:

I am with you on the comparison until the very last line.

Patrick Ramsey was destined for journeyman status in the NFL from the start. Steve Spurrier did not consign him to that status...

[mooby]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

mooby:

I am with you on the comparison until the very last line.

Patrick Ramsey was destined for journeyman status in the NFL from the start. Steve Spurrier did not consign him to that status...

That's up for debate. But I won't debate you on that one, because I never watched Ramsey in college so I wouldn't have had the slightest clue if he was doomed to fail by the time he stepped on a college football field.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by saden1

The Paris Hilton of the NFL.

Exactly, but it is more than just the Cowboys or Skins. Look at all the other dysfunctional teams. They get free press. It is the new thing in marketing, just generate controversy, good or bad, as long as you get your name or product out there with some cheap publicity. Cowboys suck, Skins suck, and the Raiders under AL Davis suck, but get big press and always have full houses on gameday. You have the Lions always under the blackout threat because folks in the Detroit area aren't going to part with their hard earned cash so quickly for some shitty football. Plus with the winless streak over, the Lions don't generate much hype or controversy. Jones, Davis, or Snyder aren't dumb, they know the easier route to making $$$$$$$$$$, and that isn't winning unfortunately.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Exactly, but it is more than just the Cowboys or Skins. Look at all the other dysfunctional teams. They get free press. It is the new thing in marketing, just generate controversy, good or bad, as long as you get your name or product out there with some cheap publicity. Cowboys suck, Skins suck, and the Raiders under AL Davis suck, but get big press and always have full houses on gameday. You have the Lions always under the blackout threat because folks in the Detroit area aren't going to part with their hard earned cash so quickly for some shitty football. Plus with the winless streak over, the Lions don't generate much hype or controversy. Jones, Davis, or Snyder aren't dumb, they know the easier route to making $$$$$$$$$$, and that isn't winning unfortunately.

Probably should've done some research before you threw the Raiders in with your statement. The Raiders have sold out 1 home game each of the past two seasons, meaning that they've had 14 blackouts compared to 2 sellouts in just the past two years.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by mooby

Probably should've done some research before you threw the Raiders in with your statement. The Raiders have sold out 1 home game each of the past two seasons, meaning that they've had 14 blackouts compared to 2 sellouts in just the past two years.

You would think Raiders not selling out is common knowledge.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by saden1

You would think Raiders not selling out is common knowledge.

You would indeed, but nobody needs to check facts to support their argument nowadays. I'm curious to know if he knows that the Raiders were dead last in average home attendance last season. Mhm. Sounds like that whole good/bad publicity sells tickets idea only works if you're the Redskins or Cowboys, even though it's common knowledge nowadays that even the Redskins season ticket waiting list isn't what it used to be simply because we're tired of supporting a losing team year after year.

I even think there's some partial truth to the conspiracy theory that the Redskins knocked down the upper endzone seats to avoid having to answer questions about why their 200k waiting list didn't want to buy 5000 seats in the upper endzone. But, hey, the "reality" is that we're trying to drum up excitement and publicity by having Shanny start Beck or Grossman at quarterback this season. That'll do the trick.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Exactly, but it is more than just the Cowboys or Skins. Look at all the other dysfunctional teams. They get free press. It is the new thing in marketing, just generate controversy, good or bad, as long as you get your name or product out there with some cheap publicity. Cowboys suck, Skins suck, and the Raiders under AL Davis suck, but get big press and always have full houses on gameday. You have the Lions always under the blackout threat because folks in the Detroit area aren't going to part with their hard earned cash so quickly for some shitty football. Plus with the winless streak over, the Lions don't generate much hype or controversy. Jones, Davis, or Snyder aren't dumb, they know the easier route to making $$$$$$$$$$, and that isn't winning unfortunately.

How far back in history are you going to find the Raiders playing to full houses every week?

Same question for the Skins who probably have NEVER sold out a game in FedEx.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

We're not going 6-10 for another 2 years. I think the D will be vastly improved this year and we'll be more consistent on offense.

with beck and grossman that's highly possible.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think, just gut instinct, Rex will be our day one starter. Maybe it's wishful thinking, but if it's Beck I'll be pulling for him as I imagine all Skins fans will

Good to hear you say that. If John Beck is fortunate enough to actually win the QB competition and be announced the day one starter, there will be no pressure on him because so many have already predicted nothing but doom and gloom for the guy.

The pressure will be on MS to make it work, he has publicly raved about Beck while many have been critical of his judgement. I support both the coach and whoever wins the QB battle and will be very interested in seeing what the end will be.

John Beck’s Saturday practice - DC Sports Bog - The Washington Post

[sugeknight245]

My best guess is that Shanahan looks at the organization and knows that there will not be a direct impact with the current roster he has. He tried last year with McNabb but no results were acheived. First and foremost, I don't think Shanahan believes that Beck is the answer. In fact, I think openning day starter will be Grossman. Secondly, 3 and 13 or 4 and 12 will probably land us the number 1 or 2 pick in next years draft which is stocked with good QB's primarily Andrew Luck and Landry Jones.

QB is the most important position on the team, with Beck's inexperience, I can only doubt that he will not provide the necessary leadership to make the Redskins a playoff caliber team.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by sugeknight245

My best guess is that Shanahan looks at the organization and knows that there will not be a direct impact with the current roster he has. He tried last year with McNabb but no results were acheived. First and foremost, I don't think Shanahan believes that Beck is the answer. In fact, I think openning day starter will be Grossman. Secondly, 3 and 13 or 4 and 12 will probably land us the number 1 or 2 pick in next years draft which is stocked with good QB's primarily Andrew Luck and Landry Jones.

QB is the most important position on the team, with Beck's inexperience, I can only doubt that he will not provide the necessary leadership to make the Redskins a playoff caliber team.

Welcome!......interesting name.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by sugeknight245

My best guess is that Shanahan looks at the organization and knows that there will not be a direct impact with the current roster he has. He tried last year with McNabb but no results were acheived. First and foremost, I don't think Shanahan believes that Beck is the answer. In fact, I think openning day starter will be Grossman. Secondly, 3 and 13 or 4 and 12 will probably land us the number 1 or 2 pick in next years draft which is stocked with good QB's primarily Andrew Luck and Landry Jones.

QB is the most important position on the team, with Beck's inexperience, I can only doubt that he will not provide the necessary leadership to make the Redskins a playoff caliber team.

Leadership is not directly correlated with technical expertise and proficiency. Beck's inexperience is due to a perceived lack of ability and proficiency.

[Beemnseven]

Just heard on ESPN 980 that in training camp today, John Beck tossed two, perfect over-the-shoulder bombs to Armstrong, -- who dropped it; and Hankerson, -- who bobbled it, and landed out of bounds.

Also looked really sharp on play-action roll outs to the right side.

[Monkeydad]

He also threw 2 INTs to D-Hall.
(Source Chris Russell - ESPN 980)