Smithsonian Museum - yet another thread on team name

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by irish

I also agree that when name was changed to Redskins back in the day it wasnt meant as a slur but times change and now it is viewed as a slur so for better or worse its going to change. My wallet is hoping it happens in the next 5 years.

When the name changes I dont expect it to be anything close to the word Redskins or have anything to do with Native Americans. It wont have Skin in it and I dont see it being Warrior or Braves either. That said I do think the name Pigskins is clever.

I think that is absolutely the WORST idea that could ever happen. There is absolutely nothing WRONG with honoring Native Americans by having a football mascot that is an Indian. If the name, Redskins, is so wrong, then the team should ONLY change the name to another, "less offensive" Indian name to keep with tradition. You're talking about completely breaking off of the tradition of the football team. I would hope that Snyder has enough intestinal fortitude to put his foot down and say hey, I'm willing to compromise, but I am not completely trashing the team's identity.

I would be just fine with Warriors, Braves, or Seminoles; Keep the colors intact, keep the logo intact or switch back to the spear and feather with a bit of an updated look, and I could live with that. But I cannot live with The Washington Federals, The Wizards (Stupid, stupid name,) The Dragons, or the Stemps.

The team needs to keep its identity at least.

[FRPLG]

USATODAY.com - Poll finds few Indians offended by Washington Redskins name

It's oldish but what would have happened in the last 8 years to really make the name offensive? Shouldn't, in this day and age, things like the n-word and the r-word be getting LESS offensive? Haven't we figured out as a society that giving weight to terms as derogatory is the only thing that makes them derogatory?

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

USATODAY.com - Poll finds few Indians offended by Washington Redskins name

It's oldish but what would have happened in the last 8 years to really make the name offensive? Shouldn't, in this day and age, things like the n-word and the r-word be getting LESS offensive? Haven't we figured out as a society that giving weight to terms as derogatory is the only thing that makes them derogatory?

Sorry but no. This line of thinking is akin to what happens in schools when the history of our country is taught as a 'transition' from the Native Americans to European settlers and that slavery was an 'unfortunate period' historically and the Civil War was fought over economics.

There should be no 'day and age' when demeaning and derogatory terms are 'less offensive' or acceptable in any form. The whole notion of 'giving weight' to things makes them bad is sticking your head in the sand and wishing they and their history don't exist.

[CultBrennan59]

Somewhere there are Neanderthals and cavemen who are still offended for being called those terms..

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Somewhere there are Neanderthals and cavemen who are still offended for being called those terms..

[SBXVII]

I said it once before and will say it again.

I doubt very seriously that the individual who owned the team in 1933 and changed the name from the Boston Braves to the Boston Redskins did it with the intent to use the term negatively. The name change came about, I believe, so that the baseball team and football team would not have the same names. Then the team moved to Washington and took on the name Washington Redskins.

I also doubt very seriously the NFL itself would associate itself with a team that carried a negative conotation to any group of people or individual. The intent of the name is not negative but instead positive. Honestly, the American Indian's should flip their ideals, get off their "politically correct" stance and adopt and rally around the Washington Redskins and support the fact that few Pro teams are named after them or even support their cause. From government all the way down to the fellow man we hear hardly a thing about the Indian other then in our history books on how the white man over ran them and took their land and failed to reimburse them for it. Oh and put them on reservations.

Atleast someone is honoring them.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I said it once before and will say it again.

I doubt very seriously that the individual who owned the team in 1933 and changed the name from the Boston Braves to the Boston Redskins did it with the intent to use the term negatively. The name change came about, I believe, so that the baseball team and football team would not have the same names. Then the team moved to Washington and took on the name Washington Redskins.

I also doubt very seriously the NFL itself would associate itself with a team that carried a negative conotation to any group of people or individual. The intent of the name is not negative but instead positive. Honestly, the American Indian's should flip their ideals, get off their "politically correct" stance and adopt and rally around the Washington Redskins and support the fact that few Pro teams are named after them or even support their cause. From government all the way down to the fellow man we hear hardly a thing about the Indian other then in our history books on how the white man over ran them and took their land and failed to reimburse them for it. Oh and put them on reservations.

Atleast someone is honoring them.

Thats a very good point. the overwhelming majority of native americans polled did not find the name offensive. Perhaps Snyder could counteract some of this criticism by actively supporting native american causes and garnering support from Native Americans. I think its "noble" that the Redskins honor a minority that's been trampled on throughout modern history by using Native Americans as the name/logo for its team. What other team does that? The Titans honor ancient mythological gods. Several NFL teams honor wildlife. The Bucs and Vikings honor violent races/criminals from history. criticize those teams and leave us the eff alone.

[BaltimoreSkins]

I could care less whether the name changes as I support the team because I love the city of Washington and the football team. I do agree with most people in that I don't think the name of the team was created with the intent to be degrading to a race of Americans, but that is where the current trend with the name lies. Whether it is a dictionary definition or even an encyclopedia definition there is reference to the name being used in a derogatory manner far more recently than it has been used in a positive manner in the speech of the general public. There will come a time where either society will push the hand of the NFL and the Redskins or the owner will opt to change the name on their own accord. Either way it is in the future though I don't speculate as to when.

[Glasgow Celtic]

I'm just offended that people are offended about this.

Must............get............out................ .more. :what:

[SkinzWin]

And the hits keep on coming. This thing really seems like its picking up steam in the media. This article's author lambasts the Redskins saying it is immoral about every way imaginable. If the team name does get changed, do I get credit for coming up with the name Washington Pigskins?

History alone should prompt Washington to change NFL mascot - ESPN

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

And the hits keep on coming. This thing really seems like its picking up steam in the media. This article's author lambasts the Redskins saying it is immoral about every way imaginable. If the team name does get changed, do I get credit for coming up with the name Washington Pigskins?

History alone should prompt Washington to change NFL mascot - ESPN

That's an old artical just reprinted.

[firstdown]

I heard all the convicts in jail are offended by the name steelers.

[MTK]

Clearly the pants are the problem behind this name thing. Oh the socks too, don't forget about the socks.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Clearly the pants are the problem behind this name thing. Oh the socks too, don't forget about the socks.

It will cost a couple of thousand if you don't have the right socks and wear them the right way.

[donofriose]

Saw the link on ESPN, was going to post it before I saw someone else posted it but are cowboys offended by Dallas? This is a question I have always pondered.