Official Redskins Off-Season News & Rumors-Part Trois

[JoeRedskin]

This is ShanAllen's 4th draft. As we enter into their 4th draft, here's a little recap/reminder of past drafts with my own take on each:

2010:
Trent Williams (1)
Perry Riley (4)
Dennis Morris (6)
Terrence Austin (7)
Erik Cook (7)
Selvish Capers (7)

Hits: Williams, Riley.
Misses: Everybody else.
Three years down the road, a starting left tackle and a starting ILB. Williams took a huge step forward last year and, barring injury, will hopefully continue. While Okung out in Seattle has earned some pro bowl recognition, I am okay with this pick as I think Williams is about to enter into beast mode and be a fixture in post season honors. Riley, after a non-descript start, and IMO, had a breakout 2012 and has really a solid player for a 4th round pick. He is the kind of in-house developed player we need to keep getting and devolping through the draft.

As to the misses, the average number of players stickng for more than 3 years out of the 7th round is pretty abysmal percentage. No great shakes here.

2011
Ryan Kerrigan (1)
Jarvis Jenkins (2)
Leonard Hankerson (3)
Roy Helu (4)
Dejon Gomes (5)
Niles Paul (5)
Evan Royster (6)
Aldrick Robinson (6)
Brandyn Thompson (7)
Maurice Hurt (7)
Markus White (7)
Chris Neild (7)

Hard to label anyone in this class a clear hit or a clear miss - Kerrigan is solid and flashes potential but, IMHO, a first rounder should consistently challenge for pro-bowl recognition. Not sure if you can say that about Kerrigan.

For the rest of the class, this is the year for them to step up. Right now, only [EDIT: Markus White] is no longer with the team. On one hand, if everyone else develops like Perry Riley did, we could have a terrific class here. Hell, if half the names mentioned become regular solid starters (or major contributors like Helu as the change of pace/3rd down back) after an initial slow production, it would still be a very good draft.

At the same time, even w/out knowing who we draft, and by the end of training camp, I could see Gomes, Royster, Robinson, Thompson and Nield gone. I think Hankerson, Helu and Paul get a year to show up, but it is not beyond the realm of probability that they could be gone also.

2012
Robert Griffin III (1)
Josh LeRibeus (3)
Kirk Cousins (4)
Keenan Robinson (4)
Adam Gettis (5)
Alfred Morris (6)
Tom Compton (6)
Richard Crawford (7)
Jordan Bernstine (7)

Griffin & Morris. If we drafted no one else, this would be a great class. Throw in Cousins. Amazing. I think Crawford goes into the hit column as well, he had some rough games but he also had some really solid plays as a DB. As a returner ... Banks who??

LeRibeus, Gettis and Compton. Just don't know enough. Apparently they are very high on LeRib. It would be nice if all three pan out - especially Compton - but draftable OL are, to me, pretty much replaceable after the 4th round. Sooner or later we are bound to hit on some of these guys.

Crossing my fingers on Robinson and Bernstine. Not much else to do with them.

All in all, lots of question marks with some real solid hits and now giant whiffs. I imagine more of the same this year.

[JoeRedskin]

Just a further note. In three years, Shanallen have drafted 27 players. Of them, 22 are currently on the roster. Even if lose 8 guys from the classes of 2011 & 12 after training camp, that close to a 50% hit rate on all draft picks. Hard to argue with that.

[CRedskinsRule]

Unless your name is .... (i leave it to everyone else to fill their own warpath nemesis' name in)

[NYCskinfan82]

I think you meant White not Hurt.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by NYCskinfan82

I think you meant White not Hurt.

Yup. Will edit for correction.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

They signed 3 RT (Polumbus, Pashos, Trueblood) and have 2 players they drafted in the past 2 years (Hurt, Compton) that all are candidates at RT. This one is an example where the staff/FO clearly has a different opinion and vision of need regarding this position and the 2013 draft.


WR is still an issue on this team. Basically the future (2014 and beyond) of this position is Garçon and Hankerson. That's it. To ignore it in the draft is irresponsible. Also, using the BPA philosophy, especially if there is a run on secondary players in the 1st/2nd, WR may be the best value.

Oh geez what a difference some random post makes (whoever initially said WR is suddenly an immediate need). What happened to Morgan, Robinson, Moss, Davis, Paulsen, next year's FA and draft?

You and the chief of police of Malibu...real reactionaries. lol

We have sufficient talent at WR for the foreseeable future and definitely for the 2013 campaign. We have no idea what's going on at RT. We have a franchise QB who was nearly murdered last season in several games. Personally, in four plus decades of watching football I don't remember hearing announcers/commentators say "That looks like a concussion" as often as it was said about RG last season. Unless somebody KNOWS who our starting RT is AND can say that person is up to the task (health, talent etc), assuming we're good there just doesn't make any sense.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Oh geez what a difference some random post makes (whoever initially said WR is suddenly an immediate need). What happened to Morgan, Robinson, Moss, Davis, Paulsen, next year's FA and draft?

You and the chief of police of Malibu...real reactionaries. lol

We have sufficient talent at WR for the foreseeable future and definitely for the 2013 campaign. We have no idea what's going on at RT. We have a franchise QB who was nearly murdered last season in several games. Personally, in four plus decades of watching football I don't remember hearing announcers/commentators say "That looks like a concussion" as often as it was said about RG last season. Unless somebody KNOWS who our starting RT is AND can say that person is up to the task (health, talent etc), assuming we're good there just doesn't make any sense.

Have Compton and Pashos been informed of that fact?

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Have Compton and Pashos been informed of that fact?

Wait, what? I thought it was Polumbus and Brown?

I can't keep all the nobody's and has-beens straight anymore

Does anybody know anything about Compton? Pashos sounds like a stand up guy. Given his injury situation though, relying on him would be unforgivable by the FO.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Have Compton and Pashos been informed of that fact?

Shhhhhhhh.....Ignore Goat. Clearly we all need to marvel in his excellence.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Looking at a lot of them

Good. Garcon hasn't proven he can stay healthy, Moss is aging, I don't think any other WR's impressed last season?

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

Good. Garcon hasn't proven he can stay healthy, Moss is aging, I don't think any other WR's impressed last season?

If anything though someone out of Morgan, Hankerson, Robinson should emerge this year. To me Recievers have three levels. Elite, good, and Devin Thomas.

Unless you have a player with elite potential no need going out of your way as your Recievers production should be a combination of your offensive system and your QB play.

Personally I'm more worried about Tight End. Davis is not only coming off that achilies but is easily, if not already, one more YouTube video or blunt away from a suspension. With his luck someone will post a video of him kicking a puppy and its female owner while smoking a joint.

Paul's lack of hands make me nervous and Cooley is no longer Captain Chaos. More like Honorary Adviser Chaos.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

If anything though someone out of Morgan, Hankerson, Robinson should emerge this year. To me Recievers have three levels. Elite, good, and Devin Thomas.

Unless you have a player with elite potential no need going out of your way as your Recievers production should be a combination of your offensive system and your QB play.

Personally I'm more worried about Tight End. Davis is not only coming off that achilies but is easily, if not already, one more YouTube video or blunt away from a suspension. With his luck someone will post a video of him kicking a puppy and its female owner while smoking a joint.

Paul's lack of hands make me nervous and Cooley is no longer Captain Chaos. More like Honorary Adviser Chaos.

LOL, for the Devin Thomas comment I almost needed another keyboard. Great point about the rest, I agree. I just don't think we're as loaded at WR as we hoped. Really hoped Morgan and Hank would turn it on with Garcon out, to my untrained eyes I haven't seen it.

[Mechanix544]

I think hankerson will be just fine. Usually takes wrs till year three to really get in their comfort zone........

[SmootSmack]

Only thing stopping Hankerson is Hankerson. Poor work ethic is holding him back

[MTK]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

Good. Garcon hasn't proven he can stay healthy, Moss is aging, I don't think any other WR's impressed last season?

Prior to last year Garçon didn't have any injury issues. I think it's a little premature to slap him with the injury prone label.

Considering the injuries Morgan played through I thought he did a solid enough job. Hopefully he can step it up now that he should be healthier.