The RG3 Sucks - Knee Jerk Reaction Thread

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

I dont recall saying RG3 doesnt deserve part of the blame. He flat out cost us the bucs game, thats not on anyone else. However, the Minny game is not all on RG3, not even close. He gets the blame rightly for that 4th down throw on the last drive, but no one will even mention the fact that we had a first down already if another stupid penalty hadnt been committed to negate a first down the play prior. No one wants to talk about our false starts on the very first play of a drive that happened several times against the bucs. Those are killers, especially with a young QB. But anytime I say other positions need to improve, here you come with the its the OL's fault meant as sarcasm and other people telling me im nuts that the ONLY problem on this team is RG3.

The fact is if we want to develop a young QB, we need massive improvements elsewhere. Now, If we can get Green Bay to trade us Aaron Rodgers... What are the odds of that happening?

Also, I frankly dont care if we have invested in it. I care if its good. Heres to hoping that Moses and Long develop correctly.

LOL. Anytime. I said that once and it wasn't to you.

And I never said you only blamed RG3

[htownskinfan]

What RG3 is showing now is the same thing that were on his scouting reports coming out of college,but we all overlooked it.
Some examples from 4 different scouting reports:

1.Decision Making and Intangibles


Can play very hurried and frenetic at times, and his pocket presence is average at best. Doesn’t feel blindside pressure well, and takes a lot of hits and sacks and is prone to giving up fumbles because of backside pressure. Can be indecisive in deciding whether to scramble or find someone downfield.

However, he’s a very tough player who will make an attempt to keep his eye level downfield and stare down the gun-barrel even after getting hit a lot early in the game (see Oklahoma). Still inconsistent as an anticipation thrower, but he displays the willingness and ability to make stick throws over the middle of the field. Willingness and ability to attack deep forces defenses to cover 100 x 53.

2. “‘Everybody is just assuming because of the Heisman and the socks and all that bs. . . . they are ignoring a lot of bad tape that he’s had,’” one scout told McGinn. “‘I don’t think he has vision or pocket feel, which to me are the two most important components of quarterbacking. He’s just running around winging it. He’s [Michael] Vick, but not as good a thrower.’

“He has better arm action and is more accurate with his deep ball, but he’s not as good as Cam Newton,” another scout said. “As much as is written about his athleticism, his athleticism under duress in the pocket isn’t even close to Cam Newton’s. This guy, the only way he gets big plays with his feet is if he’s got a wide-open field and the sea opens for him. He’s got a little bit of a selfish streak, too. Everybody was laying on Cam, but for some reason this guy has become gloves off. He doesn’t treat anybody good.

3. Overall: Griffin does need work to become more consistent in his pocket presence. At the college level he has the speed to quickly jump outside the pocket and pick up yards, or outrun the defenders to gain a passing window. That will not be the case in the NFL.

If RG3 is to make a successful transition to the next level, learning to be a pocket passer first and runner second will be his biggest hurdle.

4. Weaknesses:
• Adequate height and bulk but not the prototype
• Must transition from spread to pro style system
• Is not accustomed to working from under center
• Raw in terms of reading and recognizing defenses
• Must learn to scan field / go through progressions
• Delivery and release point are too inconsistent
• Average pocket presence and is too eager to run
• Too many fumbles and must improve ball security
• Might have long-term health / durability concerns

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Sam Bradford anyone? Anyone?

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

What about Sam Bradford? If he could ever stay healthy, he could run this offense and run it pretty well. If I were the Redskins, I'd make a call to the Rams and have a conversation. I'm sure they'd listen.

If the RGIII trade came with a warranty, the Rams DO owe us a QB.

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

LOL. Anytime. I said that once and it wasn't to you.

And I never said you only blamed RG3

Maybe I could have worded that better. Didnt mean anytime to mean specifically you say that AND someone says the other. I meant it as an either/or type of thing.

As for who you said it to. Well yeah, you didnt quote me the time you quoted that guy that simply said "I agree" to your post. Then went on to give a response that, had you quoted mine from just a few prior, would just happen to be a pretty clear response to it. Maybe it was a fluke, but if it was, look at it from where I am sitting.

To the thread itself. As for this whole conundrum. Take the 5th year extension on him. Work to improve the rest of the team around him. We arent developing anyone soon. Even if we end up drafting Winston/Mariotta, let them sit a year so we dont kill them. If we are moving on, this may sound cold, but you are better off letting RG3 get killed next year while a rookie learns. If he gets it, thats actually not a bad thing.

What it seems people dont know is that the 5th year tag is not guaranteed until the specific league year its associated with starts, which is in March (with one exception). We can still do the 5th year and cut him before March of 16' and owe him nothing if he doesnt get it. If he gets it, thats actually not a bad thing.

The only exception. If the fear if long term injury is to great. If he would get injured in 2015 AND would be out all/large chunk of 2016 (not 100% on the exact amount), then he would get an injury guarantee for that 5th year which we would be on the hook for.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Sam Bradford anyone? Anyone?

The only guy more injury prone than RG3?

Yeah I'd pass.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

The only guy more injury prone than RG3?



Yeah I'd pass.

When he is healthy he is as good as anybody, but yeah he is probably damaged goods. Real shame.
Edit: if he does get 100% healthy why on earth would he want to come here anyway.


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[MTK]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

Maybe I could have worded that better. Didnt mean anytime to mean specifically you say that AND someone says the other. I meant it as an either/or type of thing.

As for who you said it to. Well yeah, you didnt quote me the time you quoted that guy that simply said "I agree" to your post. Then went on to give a response that, had you quoted mine from just a few prior, would just happen to be a pretty clear response to it. Maybe it was a fluke, but if it was, look at it from where I am sitting.

To the thread itself. As for this whole conundrum. Take the 5th year extension on him. Work to improve the rest of the team around him. We arent developing anyone soon. Even if we end up drafting Winston/Mariotta, let them sit a year so we dont kill them. If we are moving on, this may sound cold, but you are better off letting RG3 get killed next year while a rookie learns. If he gets it, thats actually not a bad thing.

What it seems people dont know is that the 5th year tag is not guaranteed until the specific league year its associated with starts, which is in March (with one exception). We can still do the 5th year and cut him before March of 16' and owe him nothing if he doesnt get it. If he gets it, thats actually not a bad thing.

The only exception. If the fear if long term injury is to great. If he would get injured in 2015 AND would be out all/large chunk of 2016 (not 100% on the exact amount), then he would get an injury guarantee for that 5th year which we would be on the hook for.

There's absolutely no way we should extend him and take any sort of chance. Let him play out the year and see what happens.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

The only guy more injury prone than RG3?

Yeah I'd pass.

I thought he was a FA after this year, but he is signed through 2015. I would take a look only if FA, but mos def not a trade. pass

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

The only guy more injury prone than RG3?

Yeah I'd pass.

I am not saying dump rgiii just bring him in and have a camp battle. Not sure in 2015 you got many more QB choices.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I thought he was a FA after this year, but he is signed through 2015. I would take a look only if FA, but mos def not a trade. pass

Rams most likely will cut him. His salary is too big in 2015 to justify keeping him.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Rams most likely will cut him. His salary is too big in 2015 to justify keeping him.

if he's a cut, I would hope we would do our due diligence and speak with him. He would be the guy Id prefer to bring in and push RG3.

[Lotus]

I support the idea of having another real QB (not just a career backup) push RGIII and even take the job if necessary.

[BaltimoreSkins]

I've said this before, with the money that has been invested at the skills position I think we can have vast improvements at the QB position with even a middle of the road starting QB.

Commenters note: That does not mean I think we have a fantastic o-line

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Lotus

I support the idea of having another real QB (not just a career backup) push RGIII and even take the job if necessary.

agree, career backups make no sense to bring in. I would want someone who has shown potential and who Gruden believes in that could be the future.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

There's absolutely no way we should extend him and take any sort of chance. Let him play out the year and see what happens.

So if he plays out the year similar to the last two weeks than come May we have to make an 18 mill dollar decision. If we do not extend him than what? Does he have the option to stay for his fourth year or go elsewhere for a better offer?


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