Who is Kirk Cousins?

[Brody81]

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[Paintrain]

My preseason take on Cousins:
He is a classic Gruden QB. Technically sound but overwhelmingly mediocre. He will look great when things are perfect. When the play call matches the defense, when the primary read is open, when he gets great protection and most importantly, when he is playing with the lead. When any of those break down however, so does he...quickly.

Ask him to perform at a high level over a period of time and you will be disappointed. He is too careless with the ball, too pre-determined with where the ball will go and doesn't rally from adversity well.

If he starts all 16 games, he will probably put up good numbers on paper.. 3200 or so yards, 5 or 6 300 yard games, probably 18-24 TD with 14-18 INT.. The reality however will probably result in a 3-5 win season and fans hoping 'that he can put it all together with a full offseason of being the starter'.

Ultimately Cousins is fools gold.

At the midway point I can't say my mind has changed much. I have seen growth in recovering from the big mistake but he still makes too many that he needs to recover from. Some point to the fact he's led three game winning or tying drives but his play also contributed to the need for those drives. Let's not forget he's looked bad vs 3 of the 4 good defenses we've played (NYG, NYJ, MIA) and coming into yesterday was averaging about 16.5 PPG which ain't good.

He clearly needs to be the QB for the remainder of the year. McCoy is no good and Gruden bailed on Griffin long ago. End of the day however, our 2016 starter isn't on our roster and Cousins will be a backup/fringe starter somewhere else.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

My preseason take on Cousins:
He is a classic Gruden QB. Technically sound but overwhelmingly mediocre. He will look great when things are perfect. When the play call matches the defense, when the primary read is open, when he gets great protection and most importantly, when he is playing with the lead. When any of those break down however, so does he...quickly.

Ask him to perform at a high level over a period of time and you will be disappointed. He is too careless with the ball, too pre-determined with where the ball will go and doesn't rally from adversity well.

If he starts all 16 games, he will probably put up good numbers on paper.. 3200 or so yards, 5 or 6 300 yard games, probably 18-24 TD with 14-18 INT.. The reality however will probably result in a 3-5 win season and fans hoping 'that he can put it all together with a full offseason of being the starter'.

Ultimately Cousins is fools gold.

At the midway point I can't say my mind has changed much. I have seen growth in recovering from the big mistake but he still makes too many that he needs to recover from. Some point to the fact he's led three game winning or tying drives but his play also contributed to the need for those drives. Let's not forget he's looked bad vs 3 of the 4 good defenses we've played (NYG, NYJ, MIA) and coming into yesterday was averaging about 16.5 PPG which ain't good.

He clearly needs to be the QB for the remainder of the year. McCoy is no good and Gruden bailed on Griffin long ago. End of the day however, our 2016 starter isn't on our roster and Cousins will be a backup/fringe starter somewhere else.

We rank 27th in yards per rush counting two dominant rushing games against Miami and St Louis:

2015 NFL Team Rushing Stats - National Football League - ESPN

How many QBs in the league would be doing better against those teams with that kind of run game (Granted he had a really bad game against the Giants, it happens)?

Not counting the 1st two games we have to be averaging 2.5 yards a carry?

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

We rank 27th in yards per rush counting two dominant rushing games against Miami and St Louis:

2015 NFL Team Rushing Stats - National Football League - ESPN

How many QBs in the league would be doing better against those teams with that kind of run game (Granted he had a really bad game against the Giants, it happens)?

Not counting the 1st two games we have to be averaging 2.5 yards a carry?

Honestly none of that is relevant in my assessment of Cousins. As I said, he's done slightly better than I thought he would but at the same time, he's mediocre.

If you want to look at stats, the only one that matters is points per game, specifically by the offense (taking out defensive/special teams scores). So far this year it's been 10, 24, 14, 23, 19, 13 & 31 or 19 points per game. That would be 30th in the league. Not good enough.

I haven't been a prisoner of the moment week to week with Cousins. He's had one great game (TB), one really good game (STL), two ok games (PHL & MIA) and three stinkers (ATL before the game tying drive, NYG & NYJ). How that is anything other than mediocre is confusing to me.

He's shown 2 things that I think we already knew; that he can move the offense when conditions are right and that he turns the ball over too much. Neither of those things have changed, for better or worse.

But again, that said, he should be the guy for all 16 this year, don't pull him for McCoy and Griffin likely will never suit up again. Ride it out and figure out what to do for 2016 and beyond.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Honestly none of that is relevant in my assessment of Cousins. As I said, he's done slightly better than I thought he would but at the same time, he's mediocre.



If you want to look at stats, the only one that matters is points per game, specifically by the offense (taking out defensive/special teams scores). So far this year it's been 10, 24, 14, 23, 19, 13 & 31 or 19 points per game. That would be 30th in the league. Not good enough.



I haven't been a prisoner of the moment week to week with Cousins. He's had one great game (TB), one really good game (STL), two ok games (PHL & MIA) and three stinkers (ATL before the game tying drive, NYG & NYJ). How that is anything other than mediocre is confusing to me.



He's shown 2 things that I think we already knew; that he can move the offense when conditions are right and that he turns the ball over too much. Neither of those things have changed, for better or worse.



But again, that said, he should be the guy for all 16 this year, don't pull him for McCoy and Griffin likely will never suit up again. Ride it out and figure out what to do for 2016 and beyond.

I agree ppg at 30 is bad. Out of curiosity did u account for other teams st and d ppg being taken out of the equation too?
Also mediocre to me for basically a rookie qb(in games played) is fine imo.
Edit : total points we are 18, and there isnt much drop off from number 10-18.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Honestly none of that is relevant in my assessment of Cousins. As I said, he's done slightly better than I thought he would but at the same time, he's mediocre.

If you want to look at stats, the only one that matters is points per game, specifically by the offense (taking out defensive/special teams scores). So far this year it's been 10, 24, 14, 23, 19, 13 & 31 or 19 points per game. That would be 30th in the league. Not good enough.

I haven't been a prisoner of the moment week to week with Cousins. He's had one great game (TB), one really good game (STL), two ok games (PHL & MIA) and three stinkers (ATL before the game tying drive, NYG & NYJ). How that is anything other than mediocre is confusing to me.

He's shown 2 things that I think we already knew; that he can move the offense when conditions are right and that he turns the ball over too much. Neither of those things have changed, for better or worse.

But again, that said, he should be the guy for all 16 this year, don't pull him for McCoy and Griffin likely will never suit up again. Ride it out and figure out what to do for 2016 and beyond.

I understand what you're saying.

Where does he rank 1 to 32?

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

I understand what you're saying.

Where does he rank 1 to 32?

Without doing a full drawn out ranking of everyone, I'd place him comfortably in the 18-22 range. He's in the Cutler, Hoyer, Alex Smith, Fitzgerald grouping.. He can put up a dazzling performance or a stinker equally.

He's below the tier of Stafford, Carr, Tanneyhill, Flacco, Ryan but ahead of the McCown, Taylor/Manuel, Bradford, Foles and the rookies tier..

Interested where others may place him.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Honestly none of that is relevant in my assessment of Cousins. As I said, he's done slightly better than I thought he would but at the same time, he's mediocre.

If you want to look at stats, the only one that matters is points per game, specifically by the offense (taking out defensive/special teams scores). So far this year it's been 10, 24, 14, 23, 19, 13 & 31 or 19 points per game. That would be 30th in the league. Not good enough.

I haven't been a prisoner of the moment week to week with Cousins. He's had one great game (TB), one really good game (STL), two ok games (PHL & MIA) and three stinkers (ATL before the game tying drive, NYG & NYJ). How that is anything other than mediocre is confusing to me.

He's shown 2 things that I think we already knew; that he can move the offense when conditions are right and that he turns the ball over too much. Neither of those things have changed, for better or worse.

But again, that said, he should be the guy for all 16 this year, don't pull him for McCoy and Griffin likely will never suit up again. Ride it out and figure out what to do for 2016 and beyond.

Agreed. Just ride it out with Cousins and grab a stud QB next year, so we can be just like the 31 other teams in the NFL who have future hall of famers that never throw interceptions. Piece of cake.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Agreed. Just ride it out with Cousins and grab a stud QB next year, so we can be just like the 31 other teams in the NFL who have future hall of famers that never throw interceptions. Piece of cake.

Yep, that's exactly what I said. Spot on interpretation.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

My preseason take on Cousins:
He is a classic Gruden QB. Technically sound but overwhelmingly mediocre. He will look great when things are perfect. When the play call matches the defense, when the primary read is open, when he gets great protection and most importantly, when he is playing with the lead. When any of those break down however, so does he...quickly.

Ask him to perform at a high level over a period of time and you will be disappointed. He is too careless with the ball, too pre-determined with where the ball will go and doesn't rally from adversity well.

If he starts all 16 games, he will probably put up good numbers on paper.. 3200 or so yards, 5 or 6 300 yard games, probably 18-24 TD with 14-18 INT.. The reality however will probably result in a 3-5 win season and fans hoping 'that he can put it all together with a full offseason of being the starter'.

Ultimately Cousins is fools gold.

So looking back at where I was at the beginning of the season and where I am now, Cousins has moved the needle for me. I am no longer of the mindset that he is a backup/fringe starter. I think he's a bonafide starting QB in the category 12-18 range in comparison with his peers. He's not a star but he's also not a weekly liability. Obviously he should be back on a 2-3 year extension and QB isn't at the top of our draft board which is good.

He's protected the ball better than I thought he could, which was a major concern going into the season. He has benefitted from some luck on a few head scratchers (like the late play against the Bears into triple coverage that Jones caught off the deflection) but for the most part he's not been overly careless. He does check the ball down too quickly but hopefully that changes with experience and time in the offense.

This offseason should be good for him to continue to develop & have McCloughan surround him with a better running game and a bigger WR to replace Garcon.

Arrow pointing up.

[Meks]

Crow is going to be a very consistent food source around here i can already tell..... not surprised

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Meks

Crow is going to be a very consistent food source around here i can already tell..... not surprised

if we go to the Pats land and Cousins leads us to victory...ill eat a crow

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

if we go to the Pats land and Cousins leads us to victory...ill eat a crow

If he leads us to victory against the pats ur eating an entire crow family. Even their crow dog.

[JPPT1974]

He not just has great numbers so far. But he has come up clutch! Like the win against TB!

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by JPPT1974

He not just has great numbers so far. But he has come up clutch! Like the win against TB!

What about the infamous pick 6 against Atlanta? Would you call that clutch?