Recount Opinions

[JoeRedskin]

The left called Reagan the "Teflon President" ... like Trump, Reagan was a populist and understood that, as long as HE controlled his message by speaking directly to the electorate as often as he could without a media filter, he would connect and be immune from media and establishment criticism.

Trump is going to make Reagan look like the flypaper President.

[punch it in]

The man who claimed that our President had a fake birth certificate is in touch with reality, but the man who thinks that guy is an idiot is not.
Holy crap how does Trump get inside your heads???? Lmao.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by punch it in

The man who claimed that our President had a fake birth certificate is in touch with reality, but the man who thinks that guy is an idiot is not.
Holy crap how does Trump get inside your heads???? Lmao.

Punch, I think he is really inside yours. Seriously, after reading this thread.

[punch it in]

Love how you guys lay off Matty. I doubt he will ban you for disagreeing but sure go after Punch the low hanging fruit. Just like Trumps Carrier deal. Lol
If you think for one minute that i lose any sleep over this knuckle head u r sorely mistaken. I just like to let it be known that he is a fraud. This way when he is exposed guess who can say I told you so.
It will be similar to when JR told me i was crazy for saying Cousins was going to be a great quarterback. Lol.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Love how you guys lay off Matty. I doubt he will ban you for disagreeing but sure go after Punch the low hanging fruit. Just like Trumps Carrier deal. Lol
If you think for one minute that i lose any sleep over this knuckle head u r sorely mistaken. I just like to let it be known that he is a fraud. This way when he is exposed guess who can say I told you so.

I think my opening salvo was to all "the lefties," Matty is so far left he makes Marx look like a raging neo-con.

Originally Posted by punch it in

It will be similar to when JR told me i was crazy for saying Cousins was going to be a great quarterback. Lol.

Hey, I recanted after he put up numbers demonstrating he had turned a corner. I am not sold on Trump by a long shot. I am, however, enjoying watching smug, self-righteous elitists cry while remaining smug, self-righteous elitists.

Trump is going about governance in a way that is completely off the beaten path. In two years, we'll see if it is effective or not. You want to bet against him now ... fine. I am not so invested in him that I will ignore policy errors that have actual bad consequences. For now, however, I'll just wait until he makes them before assuming that he will.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I think my opening salvo was to all "the lefties," Matty is so far left he makes Marx look like a raging neo-con.







Hey, I recanted after he put up numbers demonstrating he had turned a corner. I am not sold on Trump by a long shot. I am, however, enjoying watching smug, self-righteous elitists cry while remaining smug, self-righteous elitists.



Trump is going about governance in a way that is completely off the beaten path. In two years, we'll see if it is effective or not. You want to bet against him now ... fine. I am not so invested in him that I will ignore policy errors that have actual bad consequences. For now, however, I'll just wait until he makes them before assuming that he will.

Please though differentiate between smug self righteous elitists and people , like myself, who are simply calling a fraud a fraud. There is plenty of a track record for me to make a case for him failing.
That said, anything is possible. Maybe he will "turn a corner" too. However, like your view on Cousins early on - I doubt it.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I think my opening salvo was to all "the lefties," Matty is so far left he makes Marx look like a raging neo-con.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by punch it in

The man who claimed that our President had a fake birth certificate is in touch with reality, but the man who thinks that guy is an idiot is not.
Holy crap how does Trump get inside your heads???? Lmao.

You misunderstand me completely. Trump is not "in touch with reality." Rather, he creates his own reality and doesn't care if you, the left in general, or big media say he's wrong. He is talking over your heads to a group of people who think very differently than you.

... and, just now, when you read [past-tense] "a group of people who think very differently than you," I am betting something derogatory flashed through your mind like "yeah, stupid people" or "yeah, folks who don't think."

If it did, if that's why you think his message and his current actions are finding resonance, than you really don't get the reality of his success.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

You misunderstand me completely. Trump is not "in touch with reality." Rather, he creates his own reality and doesn't care if you, the left in general, or big media say he's wrong. He is talking over your heads to a group of people who think very differently than you.



... and, just now, when you read [past-tense] "a group of people who think very differently than you," I am betting something derogatory flashed through your mind like "yeah, stupid people" or "yeah, folks who don't think."



If it did, if that's why you think his message and his current actions are finding resonance, than you really don't get the reality of his success.

Wasn't going to respond as it is apparent that you believe you know my response already.
However to make it simple - no i do not think Trump is a jedi master. I think he is in waaaay over his head. I think he is a fraud. I think that time will bring all of this to the surface. For a lot of us it is already clear as day.
That is all. His success in business was started by his fathers money and perpetuated by loopholes in the system, and scams.
His success in the election is a result of lies, the wall - arresting Hillary- etc etc etc.
Now he got what he wanted. Eventually the bullshit will catch up with him JR and yes - I will be ecstatic about it. Why should I not be? People like him deserve everything they get. So let the show go on.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

You misunderstand me completely. Trump is not "in touch with reality." Rather, he creates his own reality and doesn't care if you, the left in general, or big media say he's wrong. He is talking over your heads to a group of people who think very differently than you.

Joe , how can knowing that the man who just got elected by preaching racism,bigotry and hatred to the highest position in the country not bother you?You admit he is "not in touch with reality" a small minority of voters voted him in and you seem fine with it.You make an assumption that Trump is talking over my head just becuase I didn't want him elected.Politics I can take or leave and living in Maryland I am use to the Democratic side of life and we manage to get Larry Hogan in and people love him both Dems and Republicans .Point is Trump is not about polotics ,Trump could very well get this country into a spot we will never get out .He did not know what the Nuclear Triad was,you are a smart man,how does this not scare you?

[Giantone]

Thought people might like this.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.20d3b0f6da57


https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...ker/?tid=a_inl

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Thought people might like this.





https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.20d3b0f6da57





https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...ker/?tid=a_inl

12,13,and 14 are precious. Lol

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Joe , how can knowing that the man who just got elected by preaching racism,bigotry and hatred to the highest position in the country not bother you?You admit he is "not in touch with reality" a small minority of voters voted him in and you seem fine with it.You make an assumption that Trump is talking over my head just becuase I didn't want him elected.Politics I can take or leave and living in Maryland I am use to the Democratic side of life and we manage to get Larry Hogan in and people love him both Dems and Republicans .Point is Trump is not about polotics ,Trump could very well get this country into a spot we will never get out .He did not know what the Nuclear Triad was,you are a smart man,how does this not scare you?

I certainly hope so.

And Trump knows we have nuclear weapons.
His alleged non intimacy of a buzzword regarding such things is a bunch of stupid hype.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

I certainly hope so.

And Trump knows we have nuclear weapons.
His alleged non intimacy of a buzzword regarding such things is a bunch of stupid hype.

"Buzzword",yeah.You need this as much as Trump does.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_triad

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Joe , how can knowing that the man who just got elected by preaching racism,bigotry and hatred to the highest position in the country not bother you?You admit he is "not in touch with reality" a small minority of voters voted him in and you seem fine with it.You make an assumption that Trump is talking over my head just becuase I didn't want him elected.Politics I can take or leave and living in Maryland I am use to the Democratic side of life and we manage to get Larry Hogan in and people love him both Dems and Republicans .Point is Trump is not about polotics ,Trump could very well get this country into a spot we will never get out .He did not know what the Nuclear Triad was,you are a smart man,how does this not scare you?

First, to be clear, and as CRed has already pointed out, Trump was not put in office by "a small minority of voters."

Trump is a demagogue. I dislike all demagogues b/c they play on emotion and seek to destroy thoughtful dialogue. When I said Trump is not in touch with reality, I was referring to his ability to completely manipulate facts or just outright deny facts as he sees fit. He then "creates his own reality" which justifies his actions, leaving his critics helplessly claiming "you can't do that." Too late, he has ... and while the left screams "see! see! he's doing it again!", Trump has moved on to his next reality creating moment. The left's Pavlovian, and equally clueless, reaction to this dog and pony show just amuses the crap out of me. Doesn't mean I think Trump is great guy, I just happen to love when "smug" gets smacked.

Trump said many things that were truly horrible, but I wouldn't characterize him as "preaching racism bigotry and hatred." There is a difference between making stupid remarks and actively "preaching" bigotry and hate. Hitler preached bigotry and hate, Trump did not. Again, as is often the case on the left, by lumping in offensive actions with those that are truly evil, real evil is marginalized and distorted. Trump may ultimately end up a fervent anti-democrat (small d) and adopt the worst of the nativist movement, but he is not a fascist and did not "preach" that kind of hate and bigotry.

Rather, in a very non-pc way, Trump has consistently said America must put Americans first. There are groups and individuals who will always find racism in that sentiment - nativism has long been the refuge of prejudice and ignorance. Given his "wink-wink, nod-nod" attitude toward these individuals and groups during the campaign and his statements about women, yes - I am more than a little concerned that he will end up deepening the rift that divides us in this country.

I am not Trump fanatic by any means. I have serious concerns about his Presidency - some that have been mentioned some that have not. At the same time, I don't believe the apocalypse is on its way or that he will "get this country into a spot we will never get out." Sorry, Trump is just not as dumb as the left seems to think he is.

My point throughout this has simply been to point out that, barring the apocalypse it so confidently predicts (of course, the left confidently predicted that Trump didn't stand a snowball's chance in hell in the first place), the left is bound to lose to him again in 2020 if they don't learn from 2016.

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