WFT's Off-Season Thread

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by AnonEmouse

Just a musing really with Ingram being waived by Baltimore. Given that arguably Gibson and McKissick were the only effective running backs (Barber had a measly 2.7 ypc), would you consider bringing in a bruising vet like Ingram or look at picking up a big pound the rock back in a late round or UFA? Is Ingram too expensive?

For me I don't want a guy that's just moderately effective in short yardage, I want a guy I can put on the field at any time and threaten to get good yardage. Even if we maintain what is effectively RB by committee, I think we need an upgrade on Barber.

I'm not sure what it would take to bring him in, but I wouldn't be interested. Probably would cost more than he's worth. I think he's going on 10 years or more in the league, and he's over 30. I'd rather pick up a younger RB. I'm sure they can upgrade the position either through the draft, or as players become cap casualties.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by AnonEmouse

Just a musing really with Ingram being waived by Baltimore. Given that arguably Gibson and McKissick were the only effective running backs (Barber had a measly 2.7 ypc), would you consider bringing in a bruising vet like Ingram or look at picking up a big pound the rock back in a late round or UFA? Is Ingram too expensive?

For me I don't want a guy that's just moderately effective in short yardage, I want a guy I can put on the field at any time and threaten to get good yardage. Even if we maintain what is effectively RB by committee, I think we need an upgrade on Barber.

Barber was EXTREMELY effective in short yardage. He was valuable. I wouldn't draft another RB or bring in an expensive guy to try and replace him. You can bring bring in some UDFA type guys for competition. I actually like our RB group. Run it back with them 1 more year.

[Monkeydad]

Ingram is no better than Barber anymore. I'd prefer to stick with our trio, they all did well in their specific roles. Gibson will only get better too.

I think Bryce Love is still on the team too.

[SunnySide]

Barber had 94 carries for the season .. Id argue at least half of those were short yardage situations that would sckew his yards per carry numbers. He was decent at falling forward, if we keep him or replace him I dont think it will change our season trajectory. Very replaceable piece but he does a decent job.

[Monkeydad]

When we were on the goal line or at 4th and 1 or 2, Peyton got the job done almost every time.

He's only 26. Keep him over a washed-up Ingram. He was down to 4th on Baltimore's depth chart by the end of the year. A healthy scratch most weeks.

[MTK]

Did Barber ever not convert a short yardage situation this year?

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by MTK

Did Barber ever not convert a short yardage situation this year?

Not that I can remember. I don't see a reason to move on from him. He's under contract for another year I think. I like what we have there for RB. Doesn't mean you don't keep looking to improve the position (and all positions), but it's not a pressing matter.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by MTK

Did Barber ever not convert a short yardage situation this year?

Yeah he did a couple times but he's nothing special

[SunnySide]

This is an interesting advanced stat website, kinda confusing to navigate and understand at first but once you get the hang of it, really interesting. Lots of ways to modify a search.

Peyton had 4 4th down rushing attempts and converted on all 4.

Had a 56.3% "success" rate for runs in the red zone vs league average of 53.7%

https://www.sharpfootballstats.com/r...ge--sroa-.html

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Not that I can remember. I don't see a reason to move on from him. He's under contract for another year I think. I like what we have there for RB. Doesn't mean you don't keep looking to improve the position (and all positions), but it's not a pressing matter.

Agreed. If there's a later round back they like I'm all for it, but I like the guys we have.

[SunnySide]

I like the guys we have .... but we also had an almost non-existent running game that could never be counted on to be part of a game plan .... on a team juggling QBs that could have really used a complimentary run game to offset the heavy and predictable reliance of having to quick pass to backs as some extension of our run game.

Run game has to improve next year. Handcuffed our play calling when our lack of personnel on offense already made us almost one dimensional.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

I like the guys we have .... but we also had an almost non-existent running game that could never be counted on to be part of a game plan .... on a team juggling QBs that could have really used a complimentary run game to offset the heavy and predictable reliance of having to quick pass to backs as some extension of our run game.

Run game has to improve next year. Handcuffed our play calling when our lack of personnel on offense already made us almost one dimensional.

This team was never a threat to throw the ball down the field. Teams had the luxury of loading up the box to stop the run, and the short passing game. I think the answer is to upgrade the pass catchers and the QB. The running game will improve if the defense has to honor the passing game.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

I like the guys we have .... but we also had an almost non-existent running game that could never be counted on to be part of a game plan .... on a team juggling QBs that could have really used a complimentary run game to offset the heavy and predictable reliance of having to quick pass to backs as some extension of our run game.

Run game has to improve next year. Handcuffed our play calling when our lack of personnel on offense already made us almost one dimensional.

AG Was pretty good this yr in the run game. His game against Dallas was awesome.

4.5 YPA
11 TDS
83.4 Run Grade

[sdskinsfan2001]

Really really hope Charles is ready to roll next year. Draft a LT in the 1st couple rounds and plug him in at LG. Get Lucas and Wes back to swing tackle/guard. They are above average backups. I think we could get a lot better "reasonably easy" on the line next year.

Sign Allen Robinson or Galladay or Godwin and draft a legit TE2 and the passing game improves drastically. Even just adding a more middle tier WR2 like a Curtis Samuel would be a huge help.

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

This team was never a threat to throw the ball down the field. Teams had the luxury of loading up the box to stop the run, and the short passing game. I think the answer is to upgrade the pass catchers and the QB. The running game will improve if the defense has to honor the passing game.

I hear that. I felt like we should have seen more stacked boxes than we did. Change the scheme, change the left side of the O line, change qb/receivers, change the coaches. Something (or all things) need to improve w the run game next year. We dont have the QBs/Receivers to be pass heavy offense like we were this past year.

Hard to really judge Scott Turner bc you didnt know how much personnel impacted the way he wanted to call games. Certainly the QB carousel played a large hand. If he got "good" QB play .. it came in quarters or halfs or even a drive or 2 but never anything continued from one game to the next that you could rely on and weekly game plan aorund.

OKfan - any chance you have the PFF for runs against stacked boxes percentage or any info like that? I know I read an article ranking the RBs vs stacked box for 2019.