WFT's Off-Season Thread

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by SCRedskinsFan

I love when people say they want “more facts” before they get the shot. That seems to be a common mantra, and Sweat voiced that opinion as well. Like the results from hundreds of millions of shots in arms aren’t enough data. The benefits are clear and evident, as are the downsides of not getting the shot. For our team, the NFL as a whole, our communities and the world at large.

NOBODY, not one Doctor on the planet, knows what the long term side effects could be with these COVID vaccines approved under emergency use authorization.

If people want more facts before they put it in their body, that's an individual decision - not a mantra; and that decision should be respected just as much as someone else's decision to be the first in line.

[FrenchSkin]

These are young athletes, I don't judge them on their personal/political/societal views. Nor do I expect them to have the smartest take on every subject. What I want them to be smart about is football, the rest is none of my business.

Plus, the NFL managed to have a full season in the pic of the pandemic, with no vaccine available. If they keep adequate protocoles, things will only get better from now, not worse.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

NOBODY, not one Doctor on the planet, knows what the long term side effects could be with these COVID vaccines approved under emergency use authorization.

If people want more facts before they put it in their body, that's an individual decision - not a mantra; and that decision should be respected just as much as someone else's decision to be the first in line.

Could not agree more. None of these are even approved by the FDA either. All emergency use.

If you have the shot, you're not better than anyone that doesn't. And if you don't have the shot, you're not better than anyone that does.

Our country is based on the freedom to make the choice of what we think is best for us or our family. That's it. It starts with individual freedom.

If you want the shot get it, if you don't want it, don't get it.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by mooby

Doesn't trust the science is what it looks like.

I disagree with his stance here, especially in light of less than half the team getting the vaccine.

They did a great job of staying off the covid list last year, it would be a shame if it bit us in the ass this year because half the team doesn't give a shit.

Thanks for the link.

I don't think there is enough there to assume he isn't trusting the science. He said he wanted more facts.

He has a pre-existing heart condition. Maybe he is concerned with how it would affect him.

I'm sure everyone has the same stories, but I've had folks in my family whose Dr has advised waiting because of pre-existing medical conditions.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

NOBODY, not one Doctor on the planet, knows what the long term side effects could be with these COVID vaccines approved under emergency use authorization.

If people want more facts before they put it in their body, that's an individual decision - not a mantra; and that decision should be respected just as much as someone else's decision to be the first in line.

I would say the doctors and scientists have a pretty good idea about whether or not there could be long term side effects from the vaccine. They know exactly what the vaccine consists of and surely can make an educated summation of whether or not it could be dangerous. Unless it is death, it is a better alternative to the virus. Look at the long term side effects, let alone the deaths, that the virus has on people. Months and months later some still have major lung issues, etc.
I mean what more facts do you need other than the virus has killed millions of people??? That is fact enough for me. All the garbage chemicals in different crap foods, and illicit drugs and alcohol people consume but the want more information on a medicine? Ok.

And honestly being fully vaccinated I dont care if you get it or not. Im good. Swim at your own risk. I cant get it. I cant pass it on. From a football standpoint it bothers me because i would hate to see Sweat and others wind up getting it or being exposed and missing time. But hey to each their own. Im not chastising anyone. I fully disagree though.

[davy]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

Thanks for the link.

I don't think there is enough there to assume he isn't trusting the science. He said he wanted more facts.

He has a pre-existing heart condition. Maybe he is concerned with how it would affect him.

I'm sure everyone has the same stories, but I've had folks in my family whose Dr has advised waiting because of pre-existing medical conditions.

Pretty sure it's people with pre-existing medical conditions who need it the most.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by davy

Pretty sure it's people with pre-existing medical conditions who need it the most.

This.

[MissouriSkin]

Originally Posted by davy

Pretty sure it's people with pre-existing medical conditions who need it the most.

Unless you don’t know what side effects you may have and it could make your condition worse…..

[punch it in]

Sweat said he isn’t going to deal with the virus unless he gets the virus. Lol. Pretty sure vaccines don’t work like that but hey what do i know?

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by davy

Pretty sure it's people with pre-existing medical conditions who need it the most.

Lol. Exactly.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by davy

Pretty sure it's people with pre-existing medical conditions who need it the most.

Pretty sure it depends on the pre-existing conditions, and if a doctor is advising someone to hold off, then probably ought to hold off. This is not speaking to Sweat, he didn't say a doctor advised him to hold off, but the earlier poster mentioned it about his family members.

Most vaccines have an average of 10 -12 year test and trial period (On average, vaccine development can take 10-15 years. ) and even then there are skeptics. I don't think anyone should be shamed or harassed if they choose to wait.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by punch it in

I would say the doctors and scientists have a pretty good idea about whether or not there could be long term side effects from the vaccine. They know exactly what the vaccine consists of and surely can make an educated summation of whether or not it could be dangerous. Unless it is death, it is a better alternative to the virus. Look at the long term side effects, let alone the deaths, that the virus has on people. Months and months later some still have major lung issues, etc.
I mean what more facts do you need other than the virus has killed millions of people??? That is fact enough for me. All the garbage chemicals in different crap foods, and illicit drugs and alcohol people consume but the want more information on a medicine? Ok.

And honestly being fully vaccinated I dont care if you get it or not. Im good. Swim at your own risk. I cant get it. I cant pass it on. From a football standpoint it bothers me because i would hate to see Sweat and others wind up getting it or being exposed and missing time. But hey to each their own. Im not chastising anyone. I fully disagree though.

See, you need more facts too.

Even after being fully vaccinated, you can still contract the virus, and you can still transmit the virus. That's why none of the vaccines are said to be 100% effective.

And to say that doctors/scientists have a "pretty good idea", is not saying that they KNOW what the long term side effects will be (if any). Perhaps there will be none of significance, but as of now that is only their best guess...that's science.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

See, you need more facts too.

Even after being fully vaccinated, you can still contract the virus, and you can still transmit the virus. That's why none of the vaccines are said to be 100% effective.

And to say that doctors/scientists have a "pretty good idea", is not saying that they KNOW what the long term side effects will be (if any). Perhaps there will be none of significance, but as of now that is only their best guess...that's science.

This is true, but iirc it reduces the odds you end up in the hospital with a life-threatening disease.

Those with pre-existing conditions have a very valid reason to wait, but what's the plan? Are they going to wait 10-20 years to see if there's no long term side effects?

I just don't want the 'rona being something we have to deal with every year like the flu.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

See, you need more facts too.

Even after being fully vaccinated, you can still contract the virus, and you can still transmit the virus. That's why none of the vaccines are said to be 100% effective.

And to say that doctors/scientists have a "pretty good idea", is not saying that they KNOW what the long term side effects will be (if any). Perhaps there will be none of significance, but as of now that is only their best guess...that's science.

Yeah but

Yes that’s how vaccines work. You can contract it and spread it. But this take needs some context.

Transmission of the vaccinated from what we know is extremely low. Best estimates .00005%. So extremely unlikely

The severity of the of covid if vaccinated is really the bread and butter of why it’s important. It drops the hospitalization rates big time, which were already low for a majority of the population. Meaning you don’t need help kicking covid if vaccinated. The trial death rates. I know from j&j it was 100% survival rate and think that was true with the others.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

See, you need more facts too.

Even after being fully vaccinated, you can still contract the virus, and you can still transmit the virus. That's why none of the vaccines are said to be 100% effective.

And to say that doctors/scientists have a "pretty good idea", is not saying that they KNOW what the long term side effects will be (if any). Perhaps there will be none of significance, but as of now that is only their best guess...that's science.

It is extremely unlikely that i can transmit the virus. It is also almost 100 percent effective against getting or spreading the virus in regards to needing hospitalization. In other words my chances of winding up in the hospital or spreading it to someone who winds up in the hospital is one in a million. Those are the best “facts” we have. Meanwhile people all over the world who are not vaccinated are getting severely ill and dying. Fact.

We do not know anything. The sun may not rise tomorrow but i know where my money lies. Like i said Chief. Swim at your own risk. That is your prerogative. I feel damn good about being maskless at a god damn live show and not getting or making anyone sick. Woot. Fucking. Woot.