Re: Redskins agree to trade for No.2 overall pick in 2012 Draft
 

If he last until the 6th or 7th round I think that Terrance Gannaway would be a nice late round pickup.

Re: Redskins agree to trade for No.2 overall pick in 2012 Draft
 

[quote=CultBrennan59;894444]Oh I remember another told you so moment with me and you a few years ago

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It had to be done. In today's NFL, a team [U]must[/U] have a Franchise QB to go to the playoffs. The price was very high but I still can't criticize the Skins management for doing what had to be done.

The good news is that the Skins are in very good shape with the salary cap which means that they can be very active in Free Agency. They just need to make sure that they sign young FA's. Now, with RGIII, the Skins have a draw to attract FA's.

The Skins still have six draft picks and I feel confident that they will do a good job of drafting players who can help. They may also make some trades of players for other players or for draft picks.

I think the Skins will now be on a winning track sooner than before the trade. If RGIII becomes the star most of us think he will be and we're winning, no Redskins fan will give a hoot what he cost.

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[quote=Bushead;894724]After a night to sleep on it:

[B]First:[/B] So all the picks they gave away are technically all under the Shanahan regime. They go right up to the end of his 5 year contract, which I think is a bit of coincidence and necessity. I really think Snyder is committed with sticking to just one guy for a while and that he's not on the hot seat this year, even with one more mediocre year (unless it's a bomb like 2-14 or something). So theoretically, it's not in the past where coaches are mortgaging the future for other coaches.

[B]Second:[/B] I had some sticker shock when I learned of what they gave up, but then I realized there must of been very high interest from other teams that made them to do this. Hell, latest reports were CLE would match the deal, so I'm sure they were strong in the running along with other teams which we don't know about that drove the price up.
[/quote]Even if they do go 2-14, 3-13 (don't think they will), they can't can Shanahan. Have to give him a year to break the kid in, even if it means taking a beating. Peyton went 3-13 his first year, the Colts didnt can Mora, they were 13-3 in his second.

As for what other teams had offered. Cleveland from what I have read was offering the two 1's this year plus some combo of 2's and 3's. Skins had to give the extra 1 to beat it and because of the uncertainty. No guarantee the Skins pick next year will be earlier than the Browns 22nd overall.

Re: Redskins agree to trade for No.2 overall pick in 2012 Draft
 

[quote=GTripp0012;894353]Per Jay Glazer.

[url]https://twitter.com/#!/JayGlazer/status/178320492967624704[/url]

Compensation is three first round picks, including the no. 6.

At least three first rounders. Still trying to track what else the Redskins gave up here.[/quote]


Welcome RGIII. Hello playoffs. A lot to trade but it is worth it. It has been too long without a scoring threat of this magnitude. It will work out.

Re: Redskins agree to trade for No.2 overall pick in 2012 Draft
 

39th pick (2012) and say the 16th(2013) pick and the 20th pick (2014).

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Every hour that goes by I feel more and more confident with this trade. The upside is so high and worst case scenario we have a competent quarterback for several years.

We've hit on Orakpo, Trent and Kerrigan. We have a good foundation of youth, it's time to get some free agents/build from within/and watch the most exciting quarterback in the league.

[B][U][I]We are once again a legitimate franchise. [/I][/U][/B]

Part of me wonders if we get RG3 or Luck ; would not surprise me if RG3 went first

I'm happy with this deal
Only time will tell if we did the right thing


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Rams have some interesting choices at 6. They can possibly trade up to Minnesota with their 6th and 2nd round pick to assure they get Blackmon. Or if a team wants to jump Miami to get Tannehill they can trade back and pick up a third 2nd round pick.

[QUOTE=mredskins;894782]Part of me wonders if we get RG3 or Luck ; would not surprise me if RG3 went first[/QUOTE]

Don't think the colts will pass on luck, but if they do good for us.

[QUOTE=The Goat;894670]
One last thought: it's a bit concerning to me his girlfriend isn't a bombshell. I tend to see that as symptomatic of a lack in confidence (in Griffin)...but I'm no psychiatrist.[/QUOTE]
Yes I would much rather have pics of him in a hot tub with three gorgeous women. That would be MUCH better.

As to the trade, love RGIII, and drinking the kool-aid I will say it is better to give up one pick a year rather than giving a ton of picks in any one draft.

Re: Redskins agree to trade for No.2 overall pick in 2012 Draft
 

[quote=GTripp0012;894391]Three weeks ago, the Redskins thought Griffin was a good scheme fit, but mechanically flawed. Zero football games later, he's worth three ones and a two.

That's essentially the Shanaplan in a nutshell.[/quote]

Then you haven't been paying attention. I've quoted ES insiders several times over the course of this past year that RGIII was very high on the Skins list. This isn't something new that just came up.

What Shanny says, and what he does doesn't always equal. Two things we can deduce from this trade:

1) Shanahan believes this kid is the real deal.

2) They are desperate as hell.



[quote=Ruhskins;894525]In other news Vinny Cerrato says he would have done the same for Justin Blackmon. LOL.[/quote]


hahaha...so true.

Re: Redskins agree to trade for No.2 overall pick in 2012 Draft
 

[quote=Gtothearry;894780]39th pick (2012) and say the 16th(2013) pick and the 20th pick (2014).[/quote]

30th pick (2014)

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MY personal thoughts on this trade. First off, I want to state that I love RGIII as a prospect and wanted him here as our QB.


That said, I think they gave up entirely too much to get him and no doubt Shanahan has put his career at stake with this move. I personally think we weren't at the stage in our rebuild to make a move like this, but we'll see how this plays out over the course of the next 3 years.


My other concern with this move is the expectations and pressure that is going to be heaved on RGIII. Fans are celebrating this as if we've landed a franchise QB, but the reality of it is we haven't. We've landed a very good prospect who hasn't played a single snap of NFL football yet. We can hardly call any rookie a franchise QB until this all plays out.

Re: Redskins agree to trade for No.2 overall pick in 2012 Draft
 

[quote=SkinzWin;894788]30th pick (2014)[/quote]

I'm with ya on that one. :food-smil

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[quote=FRPLG;894612]Well at least there wont be any pressure on him.[/quote]

In a small way I almost feel bad for RG3. He's coming to a bad team that's putting all their hopes on him.... that's going to have to go the free agent route to improve, and be dead on with their draft picks.

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[quote=skinsfan69;894792]In a small way I almost feel bad for RG3. He's coming to a bad team that's putting all their hopes on him.... that's going to have to go the free agent route to improve, and be dead on with their draft picks.[/quote]

Aren't most top 5 players going to bad teams? Thus the reason they are picking first? Kind of a moot point.

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He will be fine. I sincerely believe that Kyle and Mike will put the best situation around this guy to succeed. What we get is a prolific QB with a great arm, great vision and good decision making capabilities, both on the field and off. Free Agency will be very important, and we will have to be very smart, and get people on the upswing instead of the downswing.

It will be challenging, but I think that 99% of Redskins fans are more optimistic today about the direction of this franchise than they were just yesterday.

[QUOTE=skinsfan69;894792]In a small way I almost feel bad for RG3. He's coming to a bad team that's putting all their hopes on him.... that's going to have to go the free agent route to improve, and be dead on with their draft picks.[/QUOTE]

True but most top prospects go to bad teams. Once this deal is finalized on Tuesday we must move on, it's over and done with. Shannahan had to get a QB this year and with manning looking like he wasn't coming here the move had to be made. Will there be a lot of pressure on him, yes you better believe it. Can he handle it?

Yes he can, he is smart kids with a good head on his shoulders.

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[quote=Bushead;894724]After a night to sleep on it:

[B]First:[/B] So all the picks they gave away are technically all under the Shanahan regime. They go right up to the end of his 5 year contract, which I think is a bit of coincidence and necessity. I really think Snyder is committed with sticking to just one guy for a while and that he's not on the hot seat this year, even with one more mediocre year (unless it's a bomb like 2-14 or something). So theoretically, it's not in the past where coaches are mortgaging the future for other coaches.

[B]Second:[/B] I had some sticker shock when I learned of what they gave up, but then I realized there must of been very high interest from other teams that made them to do this. Hell, latest reports were CLE would match the deal, so I'm sure they were strong in the running along with other teams which we don't know about that drove the price up.

[B]Third[/B]: They are very high on Griffen (along with a lot of other people) and they knew their QB situation was bad. The "safe" move I suppose would be to have drafted maybe Tannenhill or sign Orton, spent the other picks continuing to build the "base", and then in the next year draft their highly touted QB. But, they got their guy who is a very good fit for the system of bootlegs and moving around and can finally say they have drafted their franchise QB.

And Most Important:

[B]Fourth: I am really interested to see how they approach Free Agency. This entire emotion behind this move feels like the Redskins of Old . We are posting pictures of RG3 in redskins gear hosting trophies and most of us have already though of that first bootleg roll out when RG3 has plenty of space in front of him. It's another big splash, big move, lots of hype, but who knows what will show up on the field. [/B]

I hope they approach FA like they did last year: making solid above average signings for reasonable cash. The only place I see them going overboard is WR. If they go out and get all the big names and bring in a ton of people, I'm not sure if this is really a new way of running the redskins.[/quote]

I think what this really shows is it's an organization (and fan base) that's desperate and impatient.

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[quote=SkinzWin;894793]Aren't most top 5 players going to bad teams? Thus the reason they are picking first? Kind of a moot point.[/quote]

True but most didn't possibly mortgage the future.

[QUOTE=skinsfan69;894792]In a small way I almost feel bad for RG3. He's coming to a bad team that's putting all their hopes on him.... that's going to have to go the free agent route to improve, and be dead on with their draft picks.[/QUOTE]

Or he knows the team traded all that for him which shows him how much the redskins think and trust him.. he's the new face of Washington DC and the redskins. I think I'd be happy w that

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This from Walterfootball.com prior to the trade:

"I've been predicting a Robert Griffin trade here ever since the regular season concluded. Adam Schefter reported two weeks ago that the Rams will be dealing this selection. They won't remain in this spot. As intriguing as Matt Kalil might be, they have way too many holes on their roster. This pick is just way too valuable to hold on to.

I had the Browns moving up here in a previous update, and they certainly could be the ones to land Robert Griffin. However, news broke this past week that Mike Holmgren is unwilling to part with the No. 22 pick to move up for Griffin.

This is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Seriously. You're not willing to give a mid-first-rounder for a franchise quarterback? Are you insane? Not only should Cleveland surrender Nos. 4 and 22; it should have to trade its 2013 first-rounder and other mid-round selections in addition to that. That's the price of a franchise quarterback. If the Browns don't understand that, then they'll never be successful, and their fans should just give up.

Daniel Snyder will be desperate to land a franchise signal-caller this offseason. If he can't get Manning, he'll give the green light to outbid the Browns, Dolphins, Eagles and the other teams for Young Griff, who is perfect for Mike Shanahan's offense."

I agree with Walt. The Redskins did the right thing.

Re: Redskins agree to trade for No.2 overall pick in 2012 Draft
 

The kid seems to have a level head and good background. I think he is gonna be a star for us personally.

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[quote=skinsfan69;894800]True but most didn't possibly mortgage the future.[/quote]

Worked out for Eli and the Giants. You have to have an elite QB in this league. Are you saying you'd rather have 3 more picks and a mediocre QB? How has that worked out the last 20 years?! My logic is UNDENIABLE!!!

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So what happens if we go 5-11 next year? Which is a real possibility. Then you've got a high pick going to the Rams.

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reading the negativity in this thread is amazing. Lets just move on at this point. Was it alot, yes, but the return is huge. Lets see how this plays out first.

Re: Redskins agree to trade for No.2 overall pick in 2012 Draft
 

[quote=skinsfan69;894805]So what happens if we go 5-11 next year? Which is a real possibility. Then you've got a high pick going to the Rams.[/quote]

We will go 7-9 as a minimum. I think we have a shot at a wild card.

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[quote=skinsfan69;894805]So what happens if we go 5-11 next year? Which is a real possibility. Then you've got a high pick going to the Rams.[/quote]

BFD. If we should happen to go 5-11 next season when RGIII is a rookie, then we'll still probably go 11-5 in 2013 with a more experienced RGIII at QB. You just don't get it, do you?

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[quote=skinsfan69;894798]I think what this really shows is it's an organization (and fan base) that's desperate and impatient.[/quote]

I agree. I really think they could have played this a little differently. I think the price was too high but the reality of the situation is that we are desperate. We have started 21QBs since our last Super Bowl. If we end up with another trophy then it was worth it.

[QUOTE=skinsfan69;894805]So what happens if we go 5-11 next year? Which is a real possibility. Then you've got a high pick going to the Rams.[/QUOTE]

They took a chance to get a QB that they want and believe in. They had to at this point, get over it. The skins have been bad at anything they have done over the years to get better, Shannahan had a good draft last year. I suppose we could have traded back like we did a few years ago and drafted two Wrs that would never amount to nothing. It was a gamble and only time will tell.

Who did we get that was any good when we got all those picks from new Orleans in the Ricky Williams trade

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[quote=NC_Skins;894789]

My other concern with this move is the expectations and pressure that is going to be heaved on RGIII. Fans are celebrating this as if we've landed a franchise QB, but the reality of it is we haven't. We've landed a very good prospect who hasn't played a single snap of NFL football yet. We can hardly call any rookie a franchise QB until this all plays out.[/quote]
RG3 has first overall pedigree on the field, not to mention he might just have the best personality/character I have ever seen from a quarterback prospect.. I truly mean that.

I see less question marks with RG3, than I did with Cam Newton.. What I'm worried about are the inevitable ACL tears.

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I dont see any desperation in this at all.
This is how it works in the NFL today.
If you want to win, this is what you do.
This really isnt that much different than the Jay Cutler trade.

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I slightly say yes, but man it's close. Really allot to give up, but this franchise is in such dire need of a franchise QB, that I feel like we had to do it. There is a significant drop off between Luck/RGIII and everyone else... while it sounds great on paper to draft a guy in the second and have him learn for a year or two, how often does that really work out? Not saying guys never bust, but everything you see from RGIII has been gold. Not saying I'm happy about the 2 first rounders and second rounder just to move up four slots...but given way the organization has built itself the past few years, I think we're finally in a position to make this type of a deal.

We NEED to get a bigtime WR. I dont want to go nuts in free agency, except for that. Thats a must, we need a bigtime guy to come in, let Hank continue to develop and hopefully be a solid #2 who could develop into a #2 and then Moss to the slot. I think once we get a legit WR threat, we'll be so much more competitive.

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[quote=SkinzWin;894804]Worked out for Eli and the Giants. You have to have an elite QB in this league. Are you saying you'd rather have 3 more picks and a mediocre QB? How has that worked out the last 20 years?! My logic is UNDENIABLE!!![/quote]

So you're saying we couldn't get a good QB at #6? Or the 2nd round??? And keep the picks? Cincy got their QB in the 2nd round last year and made the playoffs. Also everyone just thinks that RG3 is going to be an automatic success. I hope like hell he is or this could REALLY set us back. It worked out for NY but they had more pieces in place than we do.

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[quote=Bushead;894724]After a night to sleep on it:

[B]First:[/B] So all the picks they gave away are technically all under the Shanahan regime. They go right up to the end of his 5 year contract, which I think is a bit of coincidence and necessity. I really think Snyder is committed with sticking to just one guy for a while and that he's not on the hot seat this year, even with one more mediocre year (unless it's a bomb like 2-14 or something). So theoretically, it's not in the past where coaches are mortgaging the future for other coaches.

[B]Second:[/B] I had some sticker shock when I learned of what they gave up, but then I realized there must of been very high interest from other teams that made them to do this. Hell, latest reports were CLE would match the deal, so I'm sure they were strong in the running along with other teams which we don't know about that drove the price up.

[B]Third[/B]: They are very high on Griffen (along with a lot of other people) and they knew their QB situation was bad. The "safe" move I suppose would be to have drafted maybe Tannenhill or sign Orton, spent the other picks continuing to build the "base", and then in the next year draft their highly touted QB. But, they got their guy who is a very good fit for the system of bootlegs and moving around and can finally say they have drafted their franchise QB.

And Most Important:

[B]Fourth: [/B] I am really interested to see how they approach Free Agency. This entire emotion behind this move feels like the Redskins of Old . We are posting pictures of RG3 in redskins gear hosting trophies and most of us have already though of that first bootleg roll out when RG3 has plenty of space in front of him. It's another big splash, big move, lots of hype, but who knows what will show up on the field.

I hope they approach FA like they did last year: making solid above average signings for reasonable cash. The only place I see them going overboard is WR. If they go out and get all the big names and bring in a ton of people, I'm not sure if this is really a new way of running the redskins.[/quote]

I'm like you.

I went to bed last night and woke up this morning, and immediately turned on sportscenter to make sure this wasn't a dream.

I truly think we made this move now, because of Free Agency approaching. We don't/didn't have an appealing QB for other guys to come here and play with. We'll find out if Vincent Jackson likes us more now (or less cause of a rookie QB) to come here. I've been hyping up Marques Colston, but I didn't know that he's mad two major knee surgeries the past couple of years according to Peter King.

All in all, when we look at this trade, ON PAPER we got our franchise QB. But this and what we gave up doesn't mean anything until we see this guy play in some games. Will he be Cam Newton? Mike Vick? Akili Smith? Andre Ware? We'll see skin fans.

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[quote=81forHOF;894812]I agree. I really think they could have played this a little differently. I think the price was too high but the reality of the situation is that we are desperate. We have started 21QBs since our last Super Bowl. If we end up with another trophy then it was worth it.[/quote]

How are we desperate? We've been patient enough to go 20 years without a franchise QB. That's the ultimate showing of patience to me. Elite, franchise QB's don't grow on trees. You going to have to 1) Pay through the nose to get one no matter how you go about it, OR 2) Be the worst team in the league. I would rather be #1 because that means we are closer to being a winning football team.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;894830]I dont see any desperation in this at all.
This is how it works in the NFL today.
If you want to win, this is what you do.
This really isnt that much different than the Jay Cutler trade.[/quote]

Cutler was an already proven QB. RG3 isn't.

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[quote=Hail to the Redskins;894738]I haven't noticed SmootSmack post anything yet...

Is there still a chance or scenario where we trade Orakpo for a 1st round pick this year or next? He was mentioned at one point as being on the table with some team... I assumed the Rams, but apparently not?

Anyone?[/quote]

Sorry, I was at a dinner party last night. Wasn't expecting all this to happen. Before I walked in the door I spoke with a "contact" who said "Browns have upped their offer. Rams really want that #4 overall. Skins deciding what to do. Will probably be a few more days"

Boy was he wrong! And, for the record, so was I. I said it wouldn't happen so quickly and I got the trade parameters wrong. So let me first take the anti-CultBrennan59 approach and just apologize for getting that wrong.

In my opinion, I'm still not totally convinced the gap between Griffin and Tannehill is huge. That said, it's only my opinion and we absolutely had to get a QB (or two) this offseason.

Giving up a 2014 1st is pretty irrelevant to me at this point. I mean we're all operating under the assumption (I should say all of us who are down on the trade) it seems that that pick will also be a top #10 pick. Let's hope it's not.

I don't like giving up this year's 2nd. They could done a lot with that. Use it and our 3rd to move up some, use it to move down, or just use it.

It can be said now that Orakpo was part of a possible three-team scenario that would have landed the Rams picks and a current WR, the Redskins the #2 pick and possibly a later pick, and the third team as a pass rusher. The rumor was San Diego and Vincent Jackson, though to be fair I never understood or got clarity on how that would work.