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[quote=GTripp0012;958593]I just figured you were all about contract extensions for the whole staff. Whether or not that will happen, continuity, man!

But seriously the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.[/quote]when is the last time we traded so much to move up to draft our franchise qb? do we keep doing that over and over?

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[quote=DynamiteRave;958583]I think the problem is that Skins fans are finicky, "what have you done for me lately" types. I think Kyle's play calls range between brain dead and genius levels and they fluctuate.

While I'm not crazy about many of the series he calls, I think he does a formidable job trying to call plays that match RG3s skills and keeping other teams off guard. Unfortunately, this isn't Madden and every play call isn't always going to net yards.

I think we could be doing a lot worse.

[B]That said, after seeing RG3 run a 2 minute drill with no play-calls from the coach, why not let him "Peyton Manning" a couple series a game? Too soon in his NFL carreer for that? Bad idea?[/quote][/B]

Exactly. It would be a good idea.

[QUOTE=los panda;958595]when is the last time we traded so much to move up to draft our franchise qb? do we keep doing that over and over?[/QUOTE]

What? This isn't a trade Griffin thread. This is about addressing proven issues.

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Well A) it wasn't no play calls from the coach. He did get a few calls in and B) even that is kind of scripted. Every week the team practices two minute drills and practices RG3 not having his headset working and they have various scenarios set up.

This isn't to take anything away from RG3 on that drive. It was outstanding. But they were well prepared for that

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[quote=GTripp0012;958597]What? This isn't a trade Griffin thread. This is about addressing proven issues.[/quote]that was in response to your insanity comment. if that's not an example of trying something different, i don't know what is.

been in every game outside of yesterday's, i'll take those results w a rookie qb

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[quote=GTripp0012;958594]The season results say otherwise.[/quote]

It's a real problem for the Shanny believers. (I don't say apologists anymore because they don't like it.)

Going into the season the story was "Well we've spent plenty of treasure on defense through FA and some draft and lots on WR, now we have our QB and should see a nearly complete, competitive team."

Now the defense is garbage, so evidently all the FA signings were a waste. Some are now saying the WR corp wasn't ever supposed to be complete and we'll draft/sign more next year.

In politics, I believe it's called the bait and switch. It's the story of Shanny's career since John hung up his jersey.

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[quote=The Goat;958605]It's a real problem for the Shanny believers. (I don't say apologists anymore because they don't like it.)

Going into the season the story was "Well we've spent plenty of treasure on defense through FA and some draft and lots on WR, now we have our QB and should see a nearly complete, competitive team."

Now the defense is garbage, so evidently all the FA signings were a waste. Some are now saying the WR corp wasn't ever supposed to be complete and we'll draft/sign more next year.

In politics, I believe it's called the bait and switch. It's the story of Shanny's career since John hung up his jersey.[/quote]

Wow you're so kind to not call us apologists anymore.

I think we need help in the secondary, otherwise I think our bigger issue is we need our guys healthy and continuing to develop. And Haslett's lost the locker room

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if haslett has lost the locker room, i say send him packing right now (serious)

and promote chris foerster to dc, naturally (not serious)

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[quote=SmootSmack;958578]Not a bad guess actually, makes a lot of sense. But not actually one of the teams I know to have been mentioned[/quote]

My best guess is Andy Reid going to San Diego

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[quote=Chico23231;958610]My best guess is Andy Reid going to San Diego[/quote]shave the 'stache, trade that cheesesteak for a burrito, get a tan, lose some weight, it's all possible

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[quote=SmootSmack;958608]Wow you're so kind to not call us apologists anymore.

I think we need help in the secondary, otherwise I think our bigger issue is we need our guys healthy and continuing to develop. And Haslett's lost the locker room[/quote]

Smoot in your opinion what do you see us doing in the draft and free agency? Also, what is your thoughts on what happens with Shannahan?

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[quote=SmootSmack;958577]See, what did I tell you Punch?[/quote]

Like Chris Rock says while looking at his watch, "that train is never late"

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[quote=los panda;958609]if haslett has lost the locker room, i say send him packing right now (serious)

and promote chris foerster to dc, naturally (not serious)[/quote]

I don't think the locker room is lost. I credit that to guys like RG3 and Fletcher. But I can't imagine that there aren't guys like D. Hall who are like, "F it."

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[quote=SmootSmack;958608]Wow you're so kind to not call us apologists anymore.

I think we need help in the secondary, otherwise I think our bigger issue is we need our guys healthy and continuing to develop. And[B] Haslett's lost the locker room[/B][/quote]

whattttt, thats pretty bad. Kinda heard through Keim article that certain guys in the secondary didnt like playing certain coverages at certain times ie. Hall last year and Wilson this year and were complaining. Kinda surprised to hear he's lost the locker room, id like to hear what Fletcher would say to that.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;958615]I don't think the locker room is lost. I credit that to guys like RG3 and Fletcher. But I can't imagine that there aren't guys like D. Hall who are like, "F it."[/quote]i hadn't heard it before now, but if that's the word from smoot, i believe it.

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Let me clarify. I believe he's lost the locker room. I know he's lost certain key players. And really, if Kedrick Golston doesn't listen to you, so what. If Lorenzo Alexander doesn't that's an issue.

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[quote=los panda;958617]i hadn't heard it before now, but if that's the word from smoot, i believe it.[/quote]

Ah yeah, I missed his post.

Well we already know he's gone after this season. I don't think they wanna hand the defensive reins over to Morris mid-season.

Who else would call the defensive plays?

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I cant be convinced he's ever had the locker room.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;958619]Ah yeah, I missed his post.

Well we already know he's gone after this season. I don't think they wanna hand the defensive reins over to Morris mid-season.

Who else would call the defensive plays?[/quote]fletch

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[quote=skinsfanmdc;958612]Smoot in your opinion what do you see us doing in the draft and free agency? Also, what is your thoughts on what happens with Shannahan?[/quote]

Too early to really know in regards to draft/free agency.

I think as long as he wants to stay Shanahan will stay. Think there'll be significant changes with the coaching staff though.

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You know all this talk about Haslett, I am actually OK with our 3-4 set up, we have been pretty good against the run until this past week. Its the secondary that is playing like crap. That being said they probably need a change at Defensive coordinator. I mean you can't be last in the league verses the pass and think everything is OK. The NFL doesn't work that way. It very results oriented and if you don't get it done, changes happen and folks get fired.

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[quote=scowan;958625]You know all this talk about Haslett, I am actually OK with our 3-4 set up, we have been pretty good against the run until this past week. Its the secondary that is playing like crap.[/quote]

Not much of a pass rush though, secondary notwithstanding. Leave a QB enough time and they will find a downfield target.

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I am not in favor of mid-season firings, but if Hasletts truly lost the lockerroom, then he has to go. Our defense honestly could not be any worse and you'd have to think that his exit could give the defense some sort of spark if the players wanted it to happen.

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[quote=SmootSmack;958622]Too early to really know in regards to draft/free agency.

I think as long as he wants to stay Shanahan will stay. Think there'll be significant changes with the coaching staff though.[/quote]

Is there any possible scenario where Kyle becomes OUR head coach in 2013?

I dont see any circumstance where Mike is here for the 2015 season. So if we lose kyle, we lose our succession plan, continuity, and could be starting from scratch again in 2015.

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Fire our bipolar fan base.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;958631]Is there any possible scenario where Kyle becomes OUR head coach in 2013?

I dont see any circumstance where Mike is here for the 2015 season. So if we lose kyle, we lose our succession plan, continuity, and could be starting from scratch again in 2015.[/quote]

It's possible but not likely. He's got potentially two great offers. One as HC. One as Assistant HC. Depending on how some things shake out.

Kyle isn't necessarily the heir apparent here anyway.

If things happen as I expect they might, they won't be starting from scratch

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[quote=iRepDMV;958463]No, firing Mike Shanahan doesn't make sense. Fire Jim Haslett. Our defense has never been in the top 10 ever since we made the switch to the 3-4. "Mirror to the Steelers defense" ...my ass. Anyone else like the idea of going back to the 4-3.[/quote]

I do. I've never like 3-4 defense. Yes, we have gotten more turnovers but we also give up a lot more yards and points. Think about his going into next year in a 4-3 defense - Rak & Kerrrigan on the ends/Carreker(could also be used a a DT) - bowen/Jenkins/cofield/Nield as the DT, riley/fletcher mlb, wilson/jackson/Alexander (or move him back to DT) or FA as the olb's, DB - FA, Wilson,Hall,Crawford, S- need major upgrades here. The point hat I'm trying to make is that we would not have to have a major overhall of players to go back to the 4-3. Our defense has sucked since going to the 3-4.

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speaking of crawford...

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;958634]Fire our bipolar fan base.[/quote]

Strong post.

:laughing2

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[quote=SmootSmack;958635]It's possible but not likely. He's got potentially two great offers. One as HC. One as Assistant HC. Depending on how some things shake out.

Kyle isn't necessarily the heir apparent here anyway.

If things happen as I expect they might, they won't be starting from scratch[/quote]


As much as I like Kyle, I simply think he's too young at this stage for a HC job. I have no doubt about his abilities, but will players respect a guy who might be the same age or even younger than some of the guys he's coaching.

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[quote=NC_Skins;958648]As much as I like Kyle, I simply think he's too young at this stage for a HC job. I have no doubt about his abilities, but will players respect a guy who might be the same age or even younger than some of the guys he's coaching.[/quote]

The players already do respect him. He really earned their respect when he took the high road against McNabb's abuse the summer of 2010

But that's neither here nor there. If the team that may want to hire him as HC actually does it will be very exciting to see. If the team that he wants to go to hires him to be the assistant HC, it will be very curious to see

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[quote=SmootSmack;958652]The players already do respect him. He really earned their respect when he took the high road against McNabb's abuse the summer of 2010

But that's neither here nor there. If the team that may want to hire him as HC actually does it will be very exciting to see. If the team that he wants to go to hires him to be the assistant HC, it will be very curious to see[/quote]

And why doesn't he want to wait 1-2 more years and be the HC here?

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;958634]Fire our bipolar fan base.[/quote]

[quote=Mattyk;958647]Strong post.

:laughing2[/quote]

Words cannot express my appreciation for the sublime brilliance of this exchange.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;958679]And why doesn't he want to wait 1-2 more years and be the HC here?[/quote]maybe he don't want to be brought up to do like his daddy done

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[quote=SmootSmack;958635]It's possible but not likely. He's got potentially two great offers. One as HC. One as Assistant HC. Depending on how some things shake out.

Kyle isn't necessarily the heir apparent here anyway.

If things happen as I expect they might, they won't be starting from scratch[/quote]

Other than the eagles, I don't foresee any "attractive" HC openings. Why not wait 1-2 years to be HC here. If he's not heir apparent then who is? There's no one else on this staff worthy of being higher than they already are.

Id "fire" mike in a heartbeat if it meant keeping Kyle. Rg3 has benefitted for having a bright young OC like Kyle. With anyone else I see him taking a step back.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;958679]And why doesn't he want to wait 1-2 more years and be the HC here?[/quote]

Maybe he will wait. But if the right offer is there now, he may not want to

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[quote=SmootSmack;958686]Maybe he will wait. But if the right offer is there now, he may not want to[/quote]

I just can't see any situations for him where he'd be working with a talent like RG3. He can do things with rg3 he won't be able to do with any other quarterback. If he leaves and goes somewhere else, I'd view it as an indictment on the organization and a sign that we haven't moved on from the snyderatto stench as much as we believe.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;958706]I just can't see any situations for him where he'd be working with a talent like RG3. He can do things with rg3 he won't be able to do with any other quarterback. If he leaves and goes somewhere else, I'd view it as an indictment on the organization and a sign that we haven't moved on from the snyderatto stench as much as we believe.[/quote]

That's quite a ridiculous leap to make

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LOL....Kyle Littleshan is a child.
He hasnt done anything in the NFL yet.
please......

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I hope we keep kyle. I think the Panther's will make a run at him when the season is over. Especially if we make the playoffs. What he is doing this year with RG3 is something that many said couldn't be done in the NFL.