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[quote=punch it in;1287844]For those on here getting confused about what anyone is trying to say, Ill leave this for you.
There is absolutely no science that says the vaccination is bad. There is all the science in the world that says it is safe and effective.
The only way to stop the virus from mutating into something even deadlier is to get your vaccine.

“Get the vaccine if you want it” and “this virus is going to mutate either way” is one part bad advice, and one part misinformation because it is false and inaccurate, the virus can only mutate if kept alive by the unvaccinated.[/quote]

You're simply wrong man. I'm sorry you don't understand this, but I can't let you keep putting out this misinformation. Vaccines will not prevent viruses from mutating, they just won't. In some cases vaccines themselves result in mutations of a virus. Does that mean you shouldn't go get your vaccine - NO, and I never advocated for anyone to NOT get the vaccine. But I'm not going to pressure anyone into getting one either. Quit twisting my words, and do a little homework.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1287848]You're simply wrong man. I'm sorry you don't understand this, but I can't let you keep putting out this misinformation. Vaccines will not prevent viruses from mutating, they just won't. In some cases vaccines themselves result in mutations of a virus. Does that mean you shouldn't go get your vaccine - NO, and I never advocated for anyone to NOT get the vaccine. But I'm not going to pressure anyone into getting one either. Quit twisting my words, and do a little homework.[/QUOTE]


Yes I am wrong. Science is wrong. Doctors are wrong. Schneed and several others who have tried to reason with you are wrong. You are right. Gotcha.

VACCINES WILL PREVENT VIRUSES FROM MUTATING BECAUSE THERE IS NOTHING FOR THEM TO MUTATE IN IF WE ARE ALL VACCINATED. WOW. Does anyone have a brick wall i can borrow to bang my head against. It would be easier. Nobody is twisting your words Chief. I’ve done plenty of homework. Never said you told people not to get the vaccine so you stop putting words in my mouth. I said “telling people get the vaccine if you feel like it is bad advice. Ill allow you the last word here if you would like. I tried. There is nothing else to say or any other way to say it that will help you understand so,….

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Here you go Chief, some simple homework. Pay close attention to the last paragraph entitled bottom line.

[url]https://www.nationaljewish.org/patients-visitors/patient-info/important-updates/coronavirus-information-and-resources/covid-19-vaccines/vaccine-articles/covid-19-variants-vaccines-why-does-a-virus-mutate[/url]

If you have information that says otherwise please feel free to share it with group, but I doubt there is any because there is only one correct answer about vaccinations and mutations.

I have copied and pasted the most important part of the paragraph below for you.

“The vaccines work well against the virus and variants. New strains can be stopped by widespread vaccination”

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Here is another one. You are correct about vaccines causing viruses to mutate. The virus will try its best to beat the vaccine. The problem with your point, Chief, is this is why it is not only important to get vaccinated but to get vaccinated quickly. You have done some homework no doubt, but not enough. If you keep reading about it you will understand what I am trying to tell you. Here is another article and I copy and pasted the important part again for you.

[url]https://www.unitypoint.org/article.aspx?id=db428f77-6e61-497b-91ce-1317a3396dd8[/url]


The creation of a vaccine for any new virus could also cause additional mutations.

“Let’s explain this concept a little further. Any virus will keep trying to change, so it can continue to spread. With all vaccines, the more quickly people get vaccinated the better. The slower vaccination happens, the higher the chance of having mutations in the virus and the appearance of more variants. And, as we are seeing with the delta variant, the more the virus can spread in the community.

In order to keep viruses in check, everyone must do their part by getting vaccinated, and scientists must work together around the world to track emerging variants.”

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[quote=punch it in;1287850]Here you go Chief, some simple homework. Pay close attention to the last paragraph entitled bottom line.

[url]https://www.nationaljewish.org/patients-visitors/patient-info/important-updates/coronavirus-information-and-resources/covid-19-vaccines/vaccine-articles/covid-19-variants-vaccines-why-does-a-virus-mutate[/url]

If you have information that says otherwise please feel free to share it with group, but I doubt there is any because there is only one correct answer about vaccinations and mutations.

I have copied and pasted the most important part of the paragraph below for you.

“The vaccines work well against the virus and variants. New strains can be stopped by widespread vaccination”[/quote]

You should have put the full quote -
[quote]Bottom Line:
The vaccines work well against the virus and variants. New strains can be stopped by widespread vaccination. This has been shown in Israel where some 54% of the population has been vaccinated, positive virus test rates are just 0.2% and the economy has reopened.[/quote]
So widespread vaccination does not equal 100% vaccination, in fact for the article's purpose widespread vaccination meant 54%, or just over half. As a country we are currently at 51.5% fully vaccinated, with atleast 60% having 1 dose.

And Schneed, you self-admittedly work in an environment where you are daily deluged with the worst of the virus, and that work is greatly appreciated. It clearly has given you a very jaded eye toward the COVID pandemic, and that is understandable. But it's not everyone's experience, and in fact in a bell curve environment you would be at the extreme tail.

Sports players would clearly fall in the other extreme of that tail. They are extremely fit, mostly not in the high or even moderate risk category for having extreme COVID symptoms, and throughout their life they have likely been in peak physical health.

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[quote=punch it in;1287849]Yes I am wrong. Science is wrong. Doctors are wrong. Schneed and several others who have tried to reason with you are wrong. You are right. Gotcha.

VACCINES WILL PREVENT VIRUSES FROM MUTATING BECAUSE THERE IS NOTHING FOR THEM TO MUTATE IN IF WE ARE ALL VACCINATED. WOW. Does anyone have a brick wall i can borrow to bang my head against. It would be easier. Nobody is twisting your words Chief. I’ve done plenty of homework. Never said you told people not to get the vaccine so you stop putting words in my mouth. I said “telling people get the vaccine if you feel like it is bad advice. Ill allow you the last word here if you would like. I tried. There is nothing else to say or any other way to say it that will help you understand so,….[/quote]

LOL

Shout all you want - [B]YOU[/B] are wrong. I never said science is wrong or doctors are wrong. I actually said listen to your doctor. LOL

I feel like maybe you have banged your head on too many brick walls already, that might be the problem here.

Look, the creation of a vaccine for any new virus can cause additional mutations, AND the virus will also randomly mutate on its own as long as people continue to get infected (and both vaccinated and unvaccinated people are still getting infected).

Even Schneed10 understands what I'm saying here. His words:

"The one piece you said that made any sense was that the introduction of vaccines can result in mutations of the virus. True - it's like whack-a-mole, beat one variant down with a vaccine, and another will emerge...variants will also emerge through random mutation, the chances for which increase as the number of infected rise."

Vaccines can definitely slow the process, but I'm a realist. We're never going to get to 100% vaccination. Hell, about 20% of the world's population isn't even eligible for this emergency use vaccine. So, unless you plan to lock your kids in a closet for the foreseeable future, this virus will randomly mutate.

Will we ultimately get through this without a 100% vaccinate rate? I believe so.

Will more people die? Yes.

If you get the vaccine are you guaranteed not to get the virus or spread it? No.

Do you have a better chance of not dying from or spreading the virus if you get the vaccine? Yes.

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[quote=punch it in;1287855]Here is another one. You are correct about vaccines causing viruses to mutate. The virus will try its best to beat the vaccine. The problem with your point, Chief, is this is why it is not only important to get vaccinated but to get vaccinated quickly. You have done some homework no doubt, but not enough. If you keep reading about it you will understand what I am trying to tell you. Here is another article and I copy and pasted the important part again for you.

[url]https://www.unitypoint.org/article.aspx?id=db428f77-6e61-497b-91ce-1317a3396dd8[/url]


The creation of a vaccine for any new virus could also cause additional mutations.

“Let’s explain this concept a little further. Any virus will keep trying to change, so it can continue to spread. With all vaccines, the more quickly people get vaccinated the better. The slower vaccination happens, the higher the chance of having mutations in the virus and the appearance of more variants. And, as we are seeing with the delta variant, the more the virus can spread in the community.

In order to keep viruses in check, everyone must do their part by getting vaccinated, and scientists must work together around the world to track emerging variants.”[/quote]

I actually posted that article yesterday.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1287860]You should have put the full quote -

So widespread vaccination does not equal 100% vaccination, in fact for the article's purpose widespread vaccination meant 54%, or just over half. As a country we are currently at 51.5% fully vaccinated, with atleast 60% having 1 dose.

And Schneed, you self-admittedly work in an environment where you are daily deluged with the worst of the virus, and that work is greatly appreciated. It clearly has given you a very jaded eye toward the COVID pandemic, and that is understandable. But it's not everyone's experience, and in fact in a bell curve environment you would be at the extreme tail.

Sports players would clearly fall in the other extreme of that tail. They are extremely fit, mostly not in the high or even moderate risk category for having extreme COVID symptoms, and throughout their life they have likely been in peak physical health.[/QUOTE]


Oh come on C Red - it is a simple numbers game. If we are seeing progress at 54 % than obviously 100 % would be complete and total victory against the virus. Unless, again, the virus mutates into something stronger because we are not getting vaccinated fast enough.

As far as me putting the full quote- I included the entire article.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1287865]I actually posted that article yesterday.[/QUOTE]


You may have posted it but you obviously only read that first blurb that seemed to back you up. If you read further it explains exactly what I am saying. Widespread vaccination will stop the variants and mutations. Which is the total opposite of what you said.

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The bottom line here Chief and C red is the more people get vaccinated and the quicker they get vaccinated the sooner the world goes back to normal.

If you want to argue that point go ahead. But than you are contributing to the problem in a way. You are basically saying “everyone isn’t gonna get the shot so why should it matter if I do”. Before you tell me im putting words in your mouth Chief carefully read your last post. You said exactly that.

Seems like everyone is in agreement that the vaccine would work if enough people get it so how in the hell am I hearing a defense of saying “get it if you want it”? How? This is just arguing to argue.

I go back to my world is on fire and everyone is given a fire extinguisher. If everyone used it the fire would ho out BUT people start saying “you can’t make me use this” and “use it if you want to”. Im sorry guys but I am confused by whatever point it is you are trying to make. Enjoy your day fellas.

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[quote=punch it in;1287867]You may have posted it but you obviously only read that first blurb that seemed to back you up. If you read further it explains exactly what I am saying. Widespread vaccination will stop the variants and mutations. Which is the total opposite of what you said.[/quote]

Nothing in that article says that widespread vaccination will stop the variants and mutations. Keep making thing up Punch...

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[quote=punch it in;1287868]The bottom line here Chief and C red is the more people get vaccinated and the quicker they get vaccinated the sooner the world goes back to normal.

If you want to argue that point go ahead. But than you are contributing to the problem in a way. You are basically saying “everyone isn’t gonna get the shot so why should it matter if I do”. Before you tell me im putting words in your mouth Chief carefully read your last post. You said exactly that.[/quote]

Again, leave the brick wall alone. I never said: “everyone isn’t gonna get the shot so why should it matter if I do”

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1287869]Nothing in that article says that widespread vaccination will stop the variants and mutations. Keep making thing up Punch...[/QUOTE]


Ok now you are just wasting my time. Ill copy and paste from the article one more time.


“Let’s explain this concept a little further. Any virus will keep trying to change, so it can continue to spread. With all vaccines, the more quickly people get vaccinated the better. The slower vaccination happens, the higher the chance of having mutations in the virus and the appearance of more variants. And, as we are seeing with the delta variant, the more the virus can spread in the community.

In order to keep viruses in check, everyone must do their part by getting vaccinated, and scientists must work together around the world to track emerging variant

Either you are fucking with me or im in the god damn twilight zone.

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[quote=punch it in;1287871]Ok now you are just wasting my time. Ill copy and paste from the article one more time.


“Let’s explain this concept a little further. Any virus will keep trying to change, so it can continue to spread. With all vaccines, the more quickly people get vaccinated the better. The slower vaccination happens, the higher the chance of having mutations in the virus and the appearance of more variants. And, as we are seeing with the delta variant, the more the virus can spread in the community.

In order to keep viruses in check, everyone must do their part by getting vaccinated, and scientists must work together around the world to track emerging variant

[B]Either you are fucking with me or im in the god damn twilight zone.[/B][/quote]

It's both probably.

The article says we can keep viruses "in check" via vaccination; it does not say "widespread vaccination will stop the variants and mutations."

There's a big difference there.

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1287850]Here you go Chief, some simple homework. Pay close attention to the last paragraph entitled bottom line.

[url]https://www.nationaljewish.org/patients-visitors/patient-info/important-updates/coronavirus-information-and-resources/covid-19-vaccines/vaccine-articles/covid-19-variants-vaccines-why-does-a-virus-mutate[/url]

If you have information that says otherwise please feel free to share it with group, but I doubt there is any because there is only one correct answer about vaccinations and mutations.

I have copied and pasted the most important part of the paragraph below for you.

“The vaccines work well against the virus and variants. New strains can be stopped by widespread vaccination”[/QUOTE]


Quoting my own quote here Chief. Read the very last part in quotations than tell me again it doesn’t say widespread vaccination will help against mutations and new strains. Please.

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Is there anyone else on this board that cares to explain how and why widespread vaccination can stop mutations and new strains ? My head hurts.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1287872]It's both probably.

The article says we can keep viruses "in check" via vaccination; it does not say "widespread vaccination will stop the variants and mutations."

There's a big difference there.[/QUOTE]


“The slower the vaccinations happen the higher chance of mutations in the virus and new strains”

How in the hell can you read it, quote it, and tell ke it doesn’t say that”? Wow. Just wow.

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[quote=punch it in;1287873]Quoting my own quote here Chief. Read the very last part in quotations than tell me again it doesn’t say widespread vaccination will help against mutations and new strains. Please.[/quote]

That's not the article you referenced above, but I'll continue to play.

This article - [url]https://www.nationaljewish.org/patie...a-virus-mutate[/url] - does say new strains [I]can[/I] be stopped by widespread vaccination.

However, I tend to lean towards the conclusion provided by the infectious disease expert - that vaccinations can keep viruses "in check", rather than the conclusion provided by the pulmonary and critical care physician - that vaccinations can be "stopped" by widespread vaccination. Ultimately he's saying that vaccinations will eradicate the virus, which I have not seen any infectious disease expert imply thus far.

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I'm just going to end this discussion right here because it's getting old, and I honestly think that maybe we are missing each other's points in a lot of ways. You can keep going if you want.

My original MAIN point with all of this goes along the lines of the old saying: "You catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar."

All this badgering people, shaming, belittling, etc. for not getting the vaccine is not productive. It's your way, and it's the method obviously used by others on this forum and elsewhere. But it isn't helpful. Instead, maybe you should try a little encouragement if you want to get your point across, or motivate people to get the vaccine.

"An effective science defender will listen to a person’s reasons for not masking or vaccinating and share counterevidence without questioning their competence, good will or intelligence." - Scientific American

I was vaccine hesitant at first, but I am now vaccinated - have been since April. My wife is vaccinated. My one eligible kid is vaccinated. My other kid will be eligible in a few months, and she will also be vaccinated. Why, because while I understand there are potential risks, the benefits (according to the available science) seem to outweigh the risks. I educated myself and made a decision because it seemed like the best option. I didn't make the decision because someone pressured me to, or told me I was "dumb".

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Would have guessed you were vaccinated. Don’t remember calling u dumb. Just misinformed. This was a simple argument about whether or not widespread vaccination could stop mutations and new strains.

It started for me when you said “get vaccinated if you want”. I thought that sounded a little counter productive or lazy in ways. When it comes to life or death use all means necessary to get shots in arms. Even if thst means using fear tactics or name calling. Its just a better alternative to the damn way of life this virus has Created. My own wife was hesitant. I understand it. I felt guinea piggish before my appointment. But i guess at the end of the day id rather have two heads than die. My daughter is 14 and was getting most of her information or misinformation from tik tok and shit like that. She got her first dose last week and im happy about that since school starts in a month. She will have received her second dose by than. Have a nice day Chief.

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[quote=punch it in;1287875]Is there anyone else on this board that cares to explain how and why widespread vaccination can stop mutations and new strains ? My head hurts.[/quote]

Hey, I asked to lock this thread and leave COVID to the Parking Lot and Politics threads. Personally, the sports side of this is the only thing that should be discussed in this one, and to that end, whether the 20% of the Pro Football players that don't want to get vaccinated do or do not get the jab, it isn't going to impact the global mutation of the virus.

The NFL policies are fairly random, punitive and not really meant to affect global mutation rate.

Fairly random because why should vaccination affect testing. Simply put, that is an incentive that actually can lead to a higher spread within an infected facility.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1287884]Hey, I asked to lock this thread and leave COVID to the Parking Lot and Politics threads. Personally, the sports side of this is the only thing that should be discussed in this one, and to that end, whether the 20% of the Pro Football players that don't want to get vaccinated do or do not get the jab, it isn't going to impact the global mutation of the virus.

The NFL policies are fairly random, punitive and not really meant to affect global mutation rate.

Fairly random because why should vaccination affect testing. Simply put, that is an incentive that actually can lead to a higher spread within an infected facility.[/QUOTE]


20 percent of a small number of people isn’t going to change anything provided that that small number of unvaccinated nfl players isn’t helping to spread the virus in clubs, gyms, locker rooms, etc etc. NFL players are rock stars man. Everyone wants to be around them. Remember C Red this started with one individual. That one individual sure affected the global mutation rate.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1287884]Hey, I asked to lock this thread and leave COVID to the Parking Lot and Politics threads. Personally, the sports side of this is the only thing that should be discussed in this one, and to that end, whether the 20% of the Pro Football players that don't want to get vaccinated do or do not get the jab, it isn't going to impact the global mutation of the virus.

The NFL policies are fairly random, punitive and not really meant to affect global mutation rate.

Fairly random because why should vaccination affect testing. Simply put, that is an incentive that actually can lead to a higher spread within an infected facility.[/quote]

Yeah, I feel bad for starting this. Meant for this to be a place where we can discuss covid and its' impact on sports, the NFL specifically.

I apologize to everyone, this has gone off the rails. I only speak for myself when I say I don't know jack about science or the vaccine, only that I trust the people who have chosen careers in that field to help save lives.

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[quote=mooby;1287887]Yeah, I feel bad for starting this. Meant for this to be a place where we can discuss covid and its' impact on sports, the NFL specifically.

I apologize to everyone, this has gone off the rails. I only speak for myself when I say I don't know jack about science or the vaccine, only that I trust the people who have chosen careers in that field to help save lives.[/quote]

I've said this many times: In a sport where players make public health decisions on a daily basis, it is somewhat odd to hear this "personal choice" argument when it comes to the vaccine. I'm sure if Landon Collins went public and said that he's not seeking treatment for his torn ACL due to personal choice, fans would be up in arms about it.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1287884]Hey, I asked to lock this thread and leave COVID to the Parking Lot and Politics threads. Personally, the sports side of this is the only thing that should be discussed in this one, and to that end, whether the 20% of the Pro Football players that don't want to get vaccinated do or do not get the jab, it isn't going to impact the global mutation of the virus.

The NFL policies are fairly random, punitive and not really meant to affect global mutation rate.

Fairly random because why should vaccination affect testing. Simply put, that is an incentive that actually can lead to a higher spread within an infected facility.[/quote]

Funny you say this. My employer recently enacted a similar policy. Proof of vaccine or daily testing. I have no problem showing proof of vaccination but if you are going to allow me to have daily testing so I know whether or not I am bringing home the virus to a family member that lives with us but is not eligible for vaccine then I am going that route, but it is just as random as the NFL policy.

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[QUOTE=mooby;1287887]Yeah, I feel bad for starting this. Meant for this to be a place where we can discuss covid and its' impact on sports, the NFL specifically.

I apologize to everyone, this has gone off the rails. I only speak for myself when I say I don't know jack about science or the vaccine, only that I trust the people who have chosen careers in that field to help save lives.[/QUOTE]


I thought it was a healthy slightly edgy conversation. Lol.
I don’t know shit either, I just regurgitate what those people you speak of tell me.

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[quote=punch it in;1287875]Is there anyone else on this board that cares to explain how and why widespread vaccination can stop mutations and new strains ? My head hurts.[/quote]

Widespread vaccination and mask use reduces the rate of infection. The more infections, the higher the chance the virus mutates, and variants develop. So reducing infection is essential to reduce the chance of variants. Pretty simple concept actually.

Problem is that we‘re not alone in the world. So high infection rates anywhere encourage variant development. And a new variant can spread quickly as we‘ve seen with delta.

One more thing. The “original” virus (alpha) is not likely to be hosted (carried) by vaccinated people, so they were not likely to spread the virus. Not so for Delta. It has a potentially high viral load even among the vaccinated, therefore masking and distancing is again recommended even for fully vaccinated to help limit the spread.

Sorry about the length of my post, but the short first paragraph answered your question.

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[QUOTE=SCRedskinsFan;1287895]Widespread vaccination and mask use reduces the rate of infection. The more infections, the higher the chance the virus mutates, and variants develop. So reducing infection is essential to reduce the chance of variants. Pretty simple concept actually.

Problem is that we‘re not alone in the world. So high infection rates anywhere encourage variant development. And a new variant can spread quickly as we‘ve seen with delta.

One more thing. The “original” virus (alpha) is not likely to be hosted (carried) by vaccinated people, so they were not likely to spread the virus. Not so for Delta. It has a potentially high viral load even among the vaccinated, therefore masking and distancing is again recommended even for fully vaccinated to help limit the spread.

Sorry about the length of my post, but the short first paragraph answered your question.[/QUOTE]


The rest of the world is definitely an issue. Also Joe Namath should not be in the hall of fame. Just wanted to add some sports to my coronavirus comment.

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Can't get to herd immunity if we have two herds.

Not sure who I heard that from recently, it's a simple but effective description of what we're facing.

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[quote=punch it in;1287899]The rest of the world is definitely an issue. Also Joe Namath should not be in the hall of fame. Just wanted to add some sports to my coronavirus comment.[/quote]

We have plenty of vaccine and only 50% vaccinated. We need to look at ourselves before blaming the rest of the world.

And to add sports content, Joe Namath should absolutely be in the Hall of Fame. I watched that game live and he delivered the impossible. Nobody, and I mean nobody except maybe him thought they had a chance,,,

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[QUOTE=SCRedskinsFan;1287906]We have plenty of vaccine and only 50% vaccinated. We need to look at ourselves before blaming the rest of the world.

And to add sports content, Joe Namath should absolutely be in the Hall of Fame. I watched that game live and he delivered the impossible. Nobody, and I mean nobody except maybe him thought they had a chance,,,[/QUOTE]


Not blaming the rest if the world. Lol. Was just agreeing with you about the spread in the rest of the world being a problem….

Sports…one game does not a hof career make. Dude never had a single season where he threw more td’s than int’s. He is definitely the only quarterback in the hof with that on his resume.
I lied two different years out of 15 i think he had two more td’s than int’s. Overall 173 td’s, 220 int’s. That is rough.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1287900]Can't get to herd immunity if we have two herds.

Not sure who I heard that from recently, it's a simple but effective description of what we're facing.[/QUOTE]


Luckily the herd that is getting shots is the bigger herd. Also hoping the delta is freaking people out enough to grow the vaccinated herd even more. I think it is, and I think we will get there. But ill be damned if we aren’t doing it the hard way.

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[quote=punch it in;1287899]The rest of the world is definitely an issue. [B]Also Joe Namath should not be in the hall of fame.[/B] Just wanted to add some sports to my coronavirus comment.[/quote]

Agreed. The Joe Namath argument is about to become the Eli Manning argument. In Joe's case, it's an underwhelming career defined by achieving the impossible, for Eli it's the same but he achieved the impossible twice. Eli will get in because of his last name and his two career highlights (to his credit they were both incredible that will stand the test of time).

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[quote=punch it in;1287909]Luckily the herd that is getting shots is the bigger herd. Also hoping the delta is freaking people out enough to grow the vaccinated herd even more. I think it is, and I think we will get there. But ill be damned if we aren’t doing it the hard way.[/quote]

Most of the rest (excluding those who have legitimate medical reasons not to be vaccinated) will come slowly - as their unvaccinated loved ones die in hospitals while whispering out "[URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/08/18/texas-couple-declined-covid-19-vaccine-died-orphans/"]my dying wish is for my kids to get vaccinated[/URL]"

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[QUOTE=mooby;1287917]Agreed. The Joe Namath argument is about to become the Eli Manning argument. In Joe's case, it's an underwhelming career defined by achieving the impossible, for Eli it's the same but he achieved the impossible twice. Eli will get in because of his last name and his two career highlights (to his credit they were both incredible that will stand the test of time).[/QUOTE]


Eli Eli Eli. That damn pouting face might be his demise. I would not put him in if I had a vote and it has nothing to do with my hatred for the Vagiants. When he had bad teams around him the record always reflected that. It isn’t like he was winning 10-12 games every year because he was awesome- like his brother. Or Rodgers. Or Breese. Or Brady. Those guys were/are worth 10 wins by themselves. Eli is worth a few. They should make one bust for him and namath. They both get half in.
Coronavirus comment- what is the vaccination rate for the Redwolves (lol) currently??? Last time I saw i think it was around 75?

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Good morning.

I just wanted to say I love you all.

Hug your babies.


Anyone know what the current vaccination percentage is for the WFT? Last I heard it was 84% I think.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1287958]Good morning.



I just wanted to say I love you all.



Hug your babies.





Anyone know what the current vaccination percentage is for the WFT? Last I heard it was 84% I think.[/QUOTE]Couldn't find the latest number, but assuming the worst (that all our cuts were vaccinated) then we would be at around 82%.
15 unvaxxed players with a roster size 86 (we have +1 international exception player Bada(?))

71/86 =.825

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What is the threshold the nfl wants?

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1287958]Good morning.

I just wanted to say I love you all.

Hug your babies.


Anyone know what the current vaccination percentage is for the WFT? Last I heard it was 84% I think.[/QUOTE]


Morning Chief.

Re: Coronavirus (sports edition) thread
 

[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1287848]You're simply wrong man. I'm sorry you don't understand this, but I can't let you keep putting out this misinformation. Vaccines will not prevent viruses from mutating, they just won't. In some cases vaccines themselves result in mutations of a virus. Does that mean you shouldn't go get your vaccine - NO, and I never advocated for anyone to NOT get the vaccine. But I'm not going to pressure anyone into getting one either. Quit twisting my words, and do a little homework.[/quote]

Where you're going wrong though is failing to think of it in the aggregate.

All three of these statements are true:

1) The more people the virus spreads to, the greater the chances the virus will mutate to form new variants.

2) When the virus encounters vaccinated hosts, it gives rise to the possibility for new variants, as it adapts to survive and continue to replicate.

3) The impact of 1 above is greater than the impact of 2 above, so that if more people are vaccinated, on the aggregate, you reduce the potential for new variants to form.