Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired?
 

Speaking of Mike, this is a good article I read over on Hogs Haven.


[url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2012/10/25/3553920/my-uncle-is-mike-shanahan]Mike Shanahan is My Uncle - Hogs Haven[/url]

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;958577]See, what did I tell you Punch?[/QUOTE]

That was the last post i saw before my phone and electric went down. Too funny.


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[QUOTE=scowan;958625]You know all this talk about Haslett, I am actually OK with our 3-4 set up, we have been pretty good against the run until this past week. Its the secondary that is playing like crap. That being said they probably need a change at Defensive coordinator. I mean you can't be last in the league verses the pass and think everything is OK. The NFL doesn't work that way. It very results oriented and if you don't get it done, changes happen and folks get fired.[/QUOTE]

I feel like a broken record but here i go again Teams dont run on us - not because they cant - but because they dont have to. Would you? I wouldnt - id pass till the cows came home. When teams do want to run on us they gash us.
Edit: even before this week. Look at yards per average against us to see the true picture. Not total yards unless you look at attempts too. Total yards can be very deceiving.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;958734]I hope we keep kyle. I think the Panther's will make a run at him when the season is over.[B] Especially if we make the playoffs[/B]. What he is doing this year with RG3 is something that many said couldn't be done in the NFL.[/quote]

Playoffs....PLAYOFFS? Don't talk about Playoffs :) okay my impersonation is over.

Seriously though, I do not believe the skins will make the playoffs. I know we really only had one truly inept game against Pittsburgh, but i think the poor defense was finally exposed and it's hard to imagine winning many games like that, unless it is just an offensive shoot out that comes down to the last drive of the game, etc..

If we do get in the playoffs, we are going to need a lot of help, and we have to at least win all of our division games. My prediction this year is that we must be 9-7. I don't think 8-8 would do it, but we will see. If we can turn things around, who knows. But we are in a position now where we have to win 6 games, and the schedule gets rough here soon.

Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired?
 

What I see developing here for Mike Shannahan is this: The defense obviously has issues, and would be a hell of a lot better without the injuries. The offense is average without Griffin, perhaps one of the best (top 5) in the NFL now with Griffin. The media is going to push this whole "its all RG3 and he's not getting any help" stuff down the throats of the rest of the team until resentment sets in. The media is going to create a rift in the locker room, Shannahan added to it with his post-game comments (he needs some help), so expect things to get worse as the season progresses. It going to be near impossible to improve that defense with the draft pick situation and the cap penalty.

Shannahan faces an uphill battle to keep his job after this season. One has to ask: Can't just about anyone be competitive with RG3 playing the way he is? The 3-4 defense experiment is a disaster, we never had the right personnel (Orakpo as a linebacker?? come on...), and there's little opportunity to improve.

Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired?
 

I found this interesting.
[url=http://m.washingtonexaminer.com/rick-snider-at-midpoint-of-his-contract-shanahan-is-a-failure-with-redskins/article/2512018#.UI_v5vdq36c]Rick Snider: At midpoint of his contract, Shanahan is a failure with Redskins | Mobile Washington Examiner[/url]

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[quote=53Fan;958923]I found this interesting.
[URL="http://m.washingtonexaminer.com/rick-snider-at-midpoint-of-his-contract-shanahan-is-a-failure-with-redskins/article/2512018#.UI_v5vdq36c"]Rick Snider: At midpoint of his contract, Shanahan is a failure with Redskins | Mobile Washington Examiner[/URL][/quote]

Rick sounds like he posts on here. Hysterical and nicely devoid of rationality.

[I]"Losing Brian Orakpo only accounts for so much."[/I]

Only mentioning Orakpo as a loss on the D?

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i say it's time for the final solution.
fire everyone under snyder
deal w the cap penatlies and dead cap
trade all draft picks into future years
play scabs until there is no dead cap/cap penalties
should have at least 3 picks in each round by then
come back w a vengeance
simple.

Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired?
 

[quote=53Fan;958923]I found this interesting.
[URL="http://m.washingtonexaminer.com/rick-snider-at-midpoint-of-his-contract-shanahan-is-a-failure-with-redskins/article/2512018#.UI_v5vdq36c"]Rick Snider: At midpoint of his contract, Shanahan is a failure with Redskins | Mobile Washington Examiner[/URL][/quote]

All those annoying facts!! He lists wins and losses under Mike, then compares them to other "failed" coaches, and guess what? Shanahan's numbers are even worse...

But it's actually worse with Mike, because among all those coaches and all current coaches, Mike is the HC most responsible for his teams utter failure. He arguably has more control than any coach in pro football, so the results rest squarely on him.

Everything has a tipping point associated with it. My intuition is the tipping point among most Skins fans realizing this regime cannot succeed is just around the corner.

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^U couldnt be happier. Call you Gloat instead of Goat.

Hopefully its another loss this weekend Gloat?

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[quote=Chico23231;958939]^U couldnt be happier. Call you Gloat instead of Goat.

Hopefully its another loss this weekend Gloat?[/quote]

Bomb the rest of the year, trade up for a 1st rounder!

Awwww yea.

Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired?
 

[quote=Chico23231;958939]^U couldnt be happier. Call you Gloat instead of Goat.

Hopefully its another loss this weekend Gloat?[/quote]

The thing is, I really hoped Mike would come in here and right the ship, albeit against my intuition. I think we all under-appreciated how monumental it was for Denver to kick Mike out. He was an institution, but ultimately everyone realized the game had passed him by or the success really was more about the stars aligning than Mike's coaching. I say it from convos with more Denver fans you can imagine, as I live out west and have tons of family and friends who live in Denver and/or are lifelong fans of the broncs.

But you can't gloss over real results. Mike has destroyed the defense, which has been an issue for him going back over a decade. Special teams are awful. Overall discipline and general preparedness is pathetic, and if that doesn't speak to leadership I don't know what does.

Sure, the offense can be fun to watch, and it still has some impressive stats.

It's classic Shanahan: a sadly incomplete team. We could win more games in a shitty division, or if pro football was in a funk and nobody really stood out. But neither is the case.

Somebody here said with RG3 we can expect to attract the best GM/coaching talent available. I think that's a pretty brilliant observation. Hopefully Snyder has already started his search for both...that's real optimism.

Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired?
 

Simple answer to thread title - No!

He brought us RGIII, Alfmo, and Garcon. Garcon is a good player, and made big plays for us in the 1 real quarter he played for us, you can't control injuries. Our offense will be a top 10 offense for years to come, just gotta get get some secondary help and have better luck with injuries. Its apparent how important Rak Daddy and Carriker are to the success of this team. Hope Keenan Robinson is the guy to replace Fletcher soon. It takes time, lets give him the 5 years. I'm tired of new head coaches all the time.

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What if Anthony Armstron was brought back to stretch the field and we could also cut the trans fat (Criscoe).

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[quote=Gary84Clark;958949]What if Anthony Armstron was brought back to stretch the field and we could also cut the trans fat (Criscoe).[/quote]

I like that.

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[quote=The Goat;958936]All those annoying facts!! He lists wins and losses under Mike, then compares them to other "failed" coaches, and guess what? Shanahan's numbers are even worse...

But it's actually worse with Mike, because among all those coaches and all current coaches, Mike is the HC most responsible for his teams utter failure. He arguably has more control than any coach in pro football, so the results rest squarely on him.

Everything has a tipping point associated with it. My intuition is the tipping point among most Skins fans realizing this regime cannot succeed is just around the corner.[/quote]

I see, so now you pay attention to what the media has to say. When it suits you

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[quote=SmootSmack;958952]I see, so now you pay attention to what the media has to say. When it suits you[/quote]

Isn't it the same with all of us ;)

I like when a post or article lists the hard numbers, stuff I could research but don't want to spend time doing. The article has that plus a whole lot of opinion, but it's the hard numbers that should tell the real story.

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I wish Portis was our third down back, at least long enough to teach our RBs how to pass protect with authority and vigor. Royster is not aggressive enough. Portis used to victimize blitzing linebackers and DBs. We need that attitude. We are kinda soft. Kinda like an AFC West team.

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I am so much happier now that I can't read Goat's selective logic (in that he is ignored), but could you please stop quoting him. It's harshing my mellow.

Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired?
 

Personally I'm just trying to keep and open mind to everything. At times I've felt great about our future but it's hard to just ignore certain things. I couldn't be happier about RG3 and I'm alot more concerned about his wellbeing than any coaches wellbeing. I like some of the things Mike has done with this club. The o-line is playing better than I expected and I really like some of our draft picks and thr infusion of youth. I hope Mike kicks ass with this organization but my thoughts about him after 21/2 years seem about the same as when he was hired. And that is he's half a HC.....which makes you a coordinator. I respect him as a OC but why are his defenses always so bad? I understand the injuries but we weren't looking like a top 10 defense before they occured either. I'm sure we'd be better and I've been excited and bought into the hype that in our 3rd year in the 3-4 the defense would be our strength. There has been no real evidence of that. We want to believe it so we say they would be if not for injuries but look at the stats for the last dozen games or so. Maybe it's the frustration of watching such a total lack of effort in some areas and total ineptitude in others last week that has me feeling this way. I'll still keep and open mind....but I refuse to keep a blind eye.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;958956]I wish Portis was our third down back, at least long enough to teach our RBs how to pass protect with authority and vigor. Royster is not aggressive enough. Portis used to victimize blitzing linebackers and DBs. We need that attitude. We are kinda soft. Kinda like an AFC West team.[/quote]

I don't think Morris is horrible at blocking. He's no Portis but he's better than Royster.

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[quote=SmootSmack;958952]I see, so now you pay attention to what the media has to say. When it suits you[/quote]

:laughing2

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don't let the liberal media tell you how to think and feel, if you have hate in your heart let it out!

if you don't like mike shanahan, don't mean there's something wrong with you, means there's something wrong with mike shanahan; he's not undefeated!

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[quote=DynamiteRave;958241]We did fall off in 2009, ending far below .500.

Here comes 2010.

2010 we had bum McNabb
Then we had INT crazy Rexy.
And the Beck experiment.

So we basically didn't have a QB.

Then we had injured plague Portis who was on the downward trek of his career and didn't even play a full season in 2009 or 2010.
Then Larry Johnson who did squat.
Ryan Torain who was the shining spot that year.

We had Moss, our one constant.
Devin Thomas - Bum
Joey Galloway - Was way too old
Roydell Williams - Who??
Armstrong and Banks. Alright. They're not bad.

Our line wasn't horrible or too different from how it is now, except now we don't have 2 liabilities, aka Heyer and Rabach.

Our defense honestly, isn't very different from 2010, there are some major names missing from our current team (Rogers, Landry, HAYNESWORTH).

Which leads me to believe that there is a defensive coaching issue, rather than a head coach issue.

[B][I]Our offense blew in 2010, we were 6-10, ranked 25th on offense.
Blew in 2011, 5-11, ranked 26th on offense.
Now in 2012, we're currently 3-5 but 5th in offense.

They've done nothing but get better. We added skill, youth and depth. Improvement![/I][/B]

In regards to total defense, yards per game:
2009 we were ranked 10
2010 - 31st
2011 - 13th

And we all know how this year has been.

People are so quick to throw the baby out with the bathwater, if there's a problem here, it's Haslett, not Shanahan. We are also injury plagued, with little defensive depth.

I'm not a Shanahan apologist by any means, but I don't think he's the real glaring problem here.[/quote]

WOW. Just WOW. So, for his first two seasons here, both with horrid records and abysmal offensive stats that look quite similar, yet in year three, he jumps from 26th in the league to 3rd??????

And that is Shanahans doing? THat is Pierre Garcon, Josh Morgan and Polumbus' doing? No, sorry, that is RG3's doing. WE AREN'T EVEN RUNNING A MIKE SHANAHAN OFFENSE!!!!!! Its all RG3. Any coach in the league worth on hardened turd would statistically JUMP having that weapon. The other side of it is, only a very very special coach/coaching staff would take a ridiculous gem of a weapon like that, and still be 3-5 in the rankings, with a bleak outlook. That coach/coaching staff is ours.

Any success this year can be directly attributed to RG3. He has excelled in spite of Shanahans team building exercise that will still take another 3 years. In that span of time, the 1 win Colts are second in their division, and have beaten the Packers and the suprisingly strong Vikings, with luck on pace to throw for well over 4000 yards. With Reggie Wayne. AND THAT'S it for receivers in Indy. Personnel decisions other than the really easy to hit ones, and ALFMO have mostly been very very poor. That is Mike Shanahans fault, noone elses.

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I guess I'll never understand blaming Mike/Kyle for everything that went wrong with McNabb/Beck/Rex, and then refusing to give any credit for the success of RG3.

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[quote=SmootSmack;958282]I voted Yes, fire him now...because I wanted to **** with the results :)[/quote]

messing with election or poll results..........hmmmmm lemme guess, you're LEFT handed?

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[quote=Mattyk;958302]I'm glad the majority of fans haven't lost their heads just yet.[/quote]

You just wait until Cam Newton has a career day that RG3 has to try and bail us out of next week. If they haven't yet, with Mike Shanahan, there is always next week. Or next season, or the season after that for that matter.

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[quote=Mechanix544;958964]WOW. Just WOW. So, for his first two seasons here, both with horrid records and abysmal offensive stats that look quite similar, yet in year three, he jumps from 26th in the league to 3rd??????

And that is Shanahans doing? THat is Pierre Garcon, Josh Morgan and Polumbus' doing? No, sorry, that is RG3's doing. [B]WE AREN'T EVEN RUNNING A MIKE SHANAHAN OFFENSE!!!!!![/B] Its all RG3. Any coach in the league worth on hardened turd would statistically JUMP having that weapon. The other side of it is, only a very very special coach/coaching staff would take a ridiculous gem of a weapon like that, and still be 3-5 in the rankings, with a bleak outlook. That coach/coaching staff is ours.

Any success this year can be directly attributed to RG3. He has excelled in spite of Shanahans team building exercise that will still take another 3 years. In that span of time, the 1 win Colts are second in their division, and have beaten the Packers and the suprisingly strong Vikings, with luck on pace to throw for well over 4000 yards. With Reggie Wayne. AND THAT'S it for receivers in Indy. [B]Personnel decisions other than the really easy to hit ones, and ALFMO have mostly been very very poor.[/B] That is Mike Shanahans fault, noone elses.[/quote]


You build around the QB, and I think Shanahan and Allen are trying to do that. Of course we aren't using a Shanahan offense because that's not RG3's thing. You're complaining because Shanahan decided to play to RG3's strengths rather than implementing his own strategy in spite of him?

We add Morris, Trent Williams, Perry Riley, Carriker, Kerrigan, Young, and RG3 of course.

FA wise we picked up - Garcon, Morgan, Paulsen (who's proved kinda valuable due to injury)

And personnel decisions have been horrible? On the defensive side? Perhaps. But to sit there and say they haven't tried to help RG3 out is beyond obtuse.

Mmmkay.

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[quote=GTripp0012;958312]I think everyone has just institutionalized losing, at least to the point where it doesn't set off red flags anymore.

I don't know how else to explain what goes on. People seem to be really convinced that this is normal. Good for them, I guess.[/quote]

No, I believe now its that losing and being a horrible team - mediocre team is ok as long as you are putting up some points finally.

You know what would be incredible? Putting a decent group of coaches around our once in a lifetime QB. I guess he is stuck bailing these two out for the foreseeable future though............

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[quote=Mechanix544;958970]No, I believe now its that losing and being a horrible team - mediocre team is ok as long as you are putting up some points finally.

[B]You know what would be incredible? Putting a decent group of coaches around our once in a lifetime QB.[/B] I guess he is stuck bailing these two out for the foreseeable future though............[/quote]gibbs 3.0!

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[quote=los panda;958971]gibbs 3.0![/quote]

lol I think some fans are still ill because Gibbs went all in and gave away our future draft picks.

Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired?
 

[quote=Mechanix544;958967]You just wait until Cam Newton has a career day that RG3 has to try and bail us out of next week. If they haven't yet, with Mike Shanahan, there is always next week. Or next season, or the season after that for that matter.[/quote]

Can we assume you're a 6% guy?

Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired?
 

[quote=Mattyk;958965]I guess I'll never understand blaming Mike/Kyle for everything that went wrong with McNabb/Beck/Rex, and then refusing to give any credit for the success of RG3.[/quote]

I don't get it either.

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[quote=los panda;958475]it's the oven[/quote]

That, or Jim Haslett is trying to run electricity to a gasoline stove. Fukkin Idiot, switching to a 34 was the worst setback this team ever had. Even worse than Haynesworth. Shoot, I might get roasted for this, but had we stayed in the 43, who knows, we might have the best DLine in the league today.............

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[quote=JoeRedskin;958958]I am so much happier now that I can't read Goat's selective logic (in that he is ignored), but could you please stop quoting him. It's harshing my mellow.[/quote]

My apologies

Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired?
 

[quote=Mattyk;958965]I guess I'll never understand blaming Mike/Kyle for everything that went wrong with McNabb/Beck/Rex, and then refusing to give any credit for the success of RG3.[/quote]

Its because Shanahan should've had ESP and known that McBecex was going to suck and RG3 is the second coming of Sammy Baugh and secretly is every offensive player we have.

Coaches? RG3 don't need no stinkin coaches.

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[quote=Mattyk;958965]I guess I'll never understand blaming Mike/Kyle for everything that went wrong with McNabb/Beck/Rex, and then refusing to give any credit for the success of RG3.[/quote]

[quote=SmootSmack;958974]I don't get it either.[/quote]


That's because both of you are riding on the flagship float in the moron parade.







..o wait, so am I. :(

Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired?
 

[quote=NC_Skins;958979]That's because both of you are riding on the flagship float in the moron parade.







..o wait, so am I. :([/quote]

Don't worry NC, our float will be the biggest and the prettiest. We'll win the Tournament of Roses Parade. We'll make our hometown proud. We'll bring home the championship trophy and our gals will love us for having stood by our morals. They'll give us the key to the city and...

... I'm sorry. I'm rambling.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;958977]Its because Shanahan should've had ESP and known that McBecex was going to suck and RG3 is the second coming of Sammy Baugh and secretly is every offensive player we have.

Coaches? RG3 don't need no stinkin coaches.[/quote]

I love ya Dynamite Rave.

But its true. RG3 don't need no stinkin' coaches. Or a playbook either, for that matter!

You all think that me goat and gtripp like being the negative nancies. Pretty sure we don't.

But us three also don't like going up a hill in neutral either. And thats just what we see. Shit, we are prolly wrong, and our defense will probably tighten up quicker than a homophobe's sphincter muscle at a gay club. We all hope it does.

But at the end of the day, I think us three expect a little more than the usual wait and see that us redskins fans have gotten way too used to the past 20 years. With RG3, hopefully Dan Snyder will see what us three think this team could be, and cut bait from the 75 year old coach who hasn't had a playoff appearance in the past 7 seasons, but who has now all of a sudden started to show results, just when our qb savior comes around. You all want to give that credit to the egomaniac coach with a 35% winning %, fine. Us three put ours on the young out of this universe athlete and what HE brings to the table.

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[quote=Mechanix544;958987]I love ya Dynamite Rave.

But its true. RG3 don't need no stinkin' coaches. Or a playbook either, for that matter!

You all think that me goat and gtripp like being the negative nancies. Pretty sure we don't.

But us three also don't like going up a hill in neutral either. And thats just what we see. Shit, we are prolly wrong, and our defense will probably [B]tighten up quicker than a homophobe's sphincter muscle at a gay club. We all hope it does.[/B]

But at the end of the day, I think us three expect a little more than the usual wait and see that us redskins fans have gotten way too used to the past 20 years. With RG3, hopefully Dan Snyder will see what us three think this team could be, and cut bait from the 75 year old coach who hasn't had a playoff appearance in the past 7 seasons, but who has now all of a sudden started to show results, just when our qb savior comes around. You all want to give that credit to the egomaniac coach with a 35% winning %, fine. Us three put ours on the young out of this universe athlete and what HE brings to the table.[/quote]

This is a great metaphor. lol