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[url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2011/8/18/2370367/jason-reid-was-right-there-is-no-qb-competition-in-dc-the-job-belongs]Jason Reid Was Right: There Is No QB Competition In DC--The Job Belongs to Rex Grossman Though, Not John Beck - Hogs Haven[/url]

More and more I am convinced that Grossman will start for us on opening day -- not John Beck.

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Nowhere Cuz Rex is the qb.

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Not saying it's eat crow time... but for some it's at least time to take a good whiff of what John Beck is cookin'. You know who you are.

LOL

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I was a BELIEVER!

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[quote=skinsfaninok;813925]Who know's Beck could be the next Romo?[/quote]


I'm sticking w this

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[quote=skinsfaninok;825195]I'm sticking w this[/quote]

Screw that. I want the next Brees.

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[quote=Mattyk;825187]Not saying it's eat crow time... but for some it's at least time to take a good whiff of what John Beck is cookin'. You know who you are.

LOL[/quote]

2 more preseason games Matty :) but yeah, JB was pretty good and Rex didn't do so hot so let's see.

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I don't know how good Beck is going to be. I actually thought he held on to the ball too long a lot in this game. I think his stats look better than he actually played. But, we might as well start him to give him a chance. He definitely has more upside than Grossman. We pretty much know what we are getting from him. Beck is an unknown commodity.

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[quote=rbanerjee23;824603][url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2011/8/18/2370367/jason-reid-was-right-there-is-no-qb-competition-in-dc-the-job-belongs]Jason Reid Was Right: There Is No QB Competition In DC--The Job Belongs to Rex Grossman Though, Not John Beck - Hogs Haven[/url]

More and more I am convinced that Grossman will start for us on opening day -- not John Beck.[/quote]

I'm not so sure, but that article was borderline awful. IMO

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I wasn't a believer, but I was open to seeing what he's got. He's made me a believer with his performance tonight. I think he can start for us, how far he can take us is a question that we've got to wait to be answered.

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[quote=Mattyk;825187]Not saying it's eat crow time... but for some it's at least time to take a good whiff of what John Beck is cookin'. You know who you are.

LOL[/quote]

:laughing2 I'm not saying he's the man or anything but it was a pretty good start. :)

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I will officially join the Beck bandwagon and be a Beck-Believer after the first four regular season games.

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I believe that him not starting a game in 3 years can no longer be used against him. ;)

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All Shanny is going to ask from either Beck or Grossman is to manage the offense, not win the game. I am SOOO excited about the improved running game. The 1st team line opened holes against 2 good defenses, and both Hightower and Helu look like the real deal.

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[quote=Mattyk;825187]Not saying it's eat crow time... but for some it's at least time to take a good whiff of what John Beck is cookin'. You know who you are.

LOL[/quote]

He looked solid, and his postgame presser showed how intelligent he is. He certainly says all the right things and comes off very polished and confident. And I still am not sold at all. It's one half of preseason football against a team that has consistently shown that they don't give a rat's ass about the preseason.

Let's see how Thursday night goes under the lights in Baltimore against the Raven's D in the all important 3rd preseason game.

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[quote=SouperMeister;825229]All Shanny is going to ask from either Beck or Grossman is to manage the offense, not win the game. I am SOOO excited about the improved running game. The 1st team line opened holes against 2 good defenses, and both Hightower and Helu look like the real deal.[/quote]

Keep in mind these defenses having been playing very very conservative and have not been using close to 30% of their defensive plays (coverages, and blitzes). Also keep in mind that Pittsburgh was without arguably their 2 best players James Harrison and Troy Polamalu. And when we scored against them it was against half 1st teamers, half 2nd teamers.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;825232]Keep in mind these defenses having been playing very very conservative and have not been using close to 30% of their defensive plays (coverages, and blitzes). Also keep in mind that Pittsburgh was without arguably their 2 best players James Harrison and Troy Polamalu. And when we scored against them it was against half 1st teamers, half 2nd teamers.[/quote]

Good point about opposing defenses. Also with Beck, opposing teams have no film on him. So he's a pretty much an unknown in that regard.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;825232]Keep in mind these defenses having been playing very very conservative and have not been using close to 30% of their defensive plays (coverages, and blitzes). Also keep in mind that Pittsburgh was without arguably their 2 best players James Harrison and Troy Polamalu. And when we scored against them it was against half 1st teamers, half 2nd teamers.[/quote]

James Harrison did play against us in the first game and the Colts had most of their starters on defense (I think they only were missing Tommie Harris).

The way I see it is that we did a pretty good job in the first and second series in the past two games against most of the starters from the opposing team. In previous preseason games when this happened, we looked like crap and committed the same mistakes that we would see during the regular season.

It is good to see do a good job in the past two games, it is better than having them come out versus the first-teamers and completely screw up. I don't think this screams championship or anything like that, but it is good to see progress.

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I like what i see out of both Beck and Grossman, both capable, not great, but I will take either one over Donovan McNabb. As far as I'm concerned we have improved at every position on this football team over the offseason, INCLUDING quarterback! Not saying either one is our franchise QB but I do like our team going into this season and the future beyond.

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[quote=Mattyk;825187]Not saying it's eat crow time... but for some it's at least time to take a good whiff of what John Beck is cookin'. You know who you are.

LOL[/quote]

I will say the guy played very very well. He was in total control out there. I loved the way the ball came out quickly and he was dead on with his passes. But as you said, I'm not eating crow yet. Everyone knows Indy lays down like dogs in the pre season. As a matter of fact, pre season is one big joke. If Beck is named the starter then I want to see it against Jason Tuck and co. It's one pre season game. If pre season counted Babe Laufenburg would be in the Hall of Fame.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;825232]Keep in mind these defenses having been playing very very conservative and have not been using close to 30% of their defensive plays (coverages, and blitzes). Also keep in mind that Pittsburgh was without arguably their 2 best players James Harrison and Troy Polamalu. And when we scored against them it was against half 1st teamers, half 2nd teamers.[/quote]

thank you.

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Quarterb[B]e[/B]ck? *Swish!*

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[quote=CultBrennan59;825232]Keep in mind these defenses having been playing very very conservative and have not been using close to 30% of their defensive plays (coverages, and blitzes). Also keep in mind that Pittsburgh was without arguably their 2 best players James Harrison and Troy Polamalu. And when we scored against them it was against half 1st teamers, half 2nd teamers.[/quote]

Keep in mind that opposing teams are receiving the same from us.....

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The impression I got from last night is that Mike and Kyle don't plan on Beck taking us anywhere. Wherever we go, we're taking Beck with us through smart playcalling, consistent execution, and a strong running game.

Question to me right now really seems to be how far can Kyle and Hightower take us.

Now that's not to take anything away from Beck, who I'm still not sure is our opening day starter over Grossman. Beck did nothing last night to make me truly doubt him. But I'm totally a beckliever? Not yet. I didn't really see him get challenged too much (granted it's a preseason game against the Colts) and while he had nice stats I didn't see what he did that really stood out from what Rex did the week before.

I guess at the end of the day, I didn't walk away from last night's game excitedly thinking this is definitely the guy for us. At the same time, I didn't leave it worried he might be either.

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^ agreed

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[quote=Hog1;825282]Keep in mind that opposing teams are receiving the same from us.....[/quote] I can dig it... Just hope it carries over into the season. I live in NY so when we loose to the Glee-men, they really put me through it up here.

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[quote=SmootSmack;825287]The impression I got from last night is that Mike and Kyle don't plan on Beck taking us anywhere. Wherever we go, we're taking Beck with us through smart playcalling, consistent execution, and a strong running game.

Question to me right now really seems to be how far can Kyle and Hightower take us.

Now that's not to take anything away from Beck, who I'm still not sure is our opening day starter over Grossman. Beck did nothing last night to make me truly doubt him. But I'm totally a beckliever? Not yet. I didn't really see him get challenged too much (granted it's a preseason game against the Colts) and while he had nice stats I didn't see what he did that really stood out from what Rex did the week before.

I guess at the end of the day, I didn't walk away from last night's game excitedly thinking this is definitely the guy for us. At the same time, I didn't leave it worried he might be either.[/quote]

He really didn't do anything that stood out. Fortunately for him an uncompromising adherence to a simple game plan made managing the game easier for him executing short passes mixed with a strong running game. There's much more I want to see from Beck, especially the ability to get the ball downfield and demonstrating he has to ability to bring a team from behind.

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[quote=SmootSmack;825287]The impression I got from last night is that Mike and Kyle don't plan on Beck taking us anywhere. Wherever we go, we're taking Beck with us through smart playcalling, consistent execution, and a strong running game.

Question to me right now really seems to be how far can Kyle and Hightower take us.

Now that's not to take anything away from Beck, who I'm still not sure is our opening day starter over Grossman. Beck did nothing last night to make me truly doubt him. But I'm totally a beckliever? Not yet. I didn't really see him get challenged too much (granted it's a preseason game against the Colts) and [B]while he had nice stats I didn't see what he did that really stood out from what Rex did the week before.[/B]

I guess at the end of the day, I didn't walk away from last night's game excitedly thinking this is definitely the guy for us. At the same time, I didn't leave it worried he might be either.[/quote]

IMO Grossman's start was better than Beck's start.

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Beck has more upside and is the better choice.

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[quote=Ruhskins;825235][B]James Harrison did play against us in the first game and the Colts had most of their starters on defense (I think they only were missing Tommie Harris). [/B]

The way I see it is that we did a pretty good job in the first and second series in the past two games against most of the starters from the opposing team. In previous preseason games when this happened, we looked like crap and committed the same mistakes that we would see during the regular season.

It is good to see do a good job in the past two games, it is better than having them come out versus the first-teamers and completely screw up. I don't think this screams championship or anything like that, but it is good to see progress.[/quote]

Your wrong my friend. James Harrison at the start of the game was listed in the starting lineup, yes, but he didn't play, at the last moment the steelers felt they don't want to risk anything with his recent surgeries. Jason Worilds played in place of James Harrison for almost the whole first half. I've watch the game twice now; believe me he didn't play (I even want to say that Theismann said something like 'now the steelers may be without Harrison, but still the redskins Offense...).

As for the colts, you're right Tommie Harris did Not play. Antone Bethea only played two snaps after he got injured chasing down hightower, also the colts starting OLB Ernie Sims didn't play. Something else to throw out there.

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1-4 in the red zone...

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[quote=SmootSmack;825287]The impression I got from last night is that Mike and Kyle don't plan on Beck taking us anywhere. Wherever we go, we're taking Beck with us through smart playcalling, consistent execution, and a strong running game.

[B]Question to me right now really seems to be how far can Kyle and Hightower take us.[/B]Now that's not to take anything away from Beck, who I'm still not sure is our opening day starter over Grossman. Beck did nothing last night to make me truly doubt him. But I'm totally a beckliever? Not yet. I didn't really see him get challenged too much (granted it's a preseason game against the Colts) and while he had nice stats I didn't see what he did that really stood out from what Rex did the week before.

I guess at the end of the day, I didn't walk away from last night's game excitedly thinking this is definitely the guy for us. At the same time, I didn't leave it worried he might be either.[/quote]


Welcome aboard the Hightower bandwagon. If he doesn't get hurt, this kid is going to be very good!

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For anyone who ever got a good laugh out of the Cris Carter thread....

You are right warriorzpath, we all must have been wrong about your heartfelt diatribe:

From ESPN NFC bEast blog -
"A preseason game can have value for a team like the Redskins. No, the result doesn't matter. And no, you can't assume they'll look as good in real games as they have so far in two fake ones. But think about where the Redskins are right now. [B]Nobody thinks they're any good. Everybody thinks they'll finish last.[/B] They've got people saying they could be the worst team in the league (which I seriously doubt). [B]And while they can pretend they don't hear it, they all have the internet, and cable TV, and AM radio in their cars.[/B] And even if they don't pay attention to any of that stuff, they all have friends and relatives who undoubtedly keep them posted on it. [B]But world-class professional athletes aren't inclined to doubt themselves, and having success -- even if it's on a micro level in a game that doesn't count -- is the kind of thing that can bolster confidence internally when nothing's happening to bolster it externally. [/B]This is two weeks in a row that the Redskins peeled the tape off their ankles and went home feeling good about themselves. And a team that's going to be an underdog in the majority of its games this season can benefit greatly from knowing what it's like to feel that way. "

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IF Beck s hows us some good stuff against the Ravens I am game for him starting Sept 11 vs the Gmen, unless Rex also comes out strong. I would start Beck against the Ravens to see if he can up his game, then start Rex the last game.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;825352]IF Beck s hows us some good stuff against the Ravens I am game for him starting Sept 11 vs the Gmen, unless Rex also comes out strong. I would start Beck against the Ravens to see if he can up his game, then start Rex the last game.[/quote]

Let's see what happens in the next two games.

But if I were Shanny and I had to choose right now, I'd choose Beck. He was solid if unspectacular. But when Rex threw his pick I covered my face and prayed that he would not be the starter - same old Rex. So, by elimination, it's Beck.

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I really like Beck's mobility and his quick release.

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[quote=Mattyk;825366]I really like Beck's mobility and his quick release.[/quote]

But he struggles with the long ball. What happens when defenses stack the box and take away the short to intermediate throws?

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I think the knock on his long ball has been a bit overblown.

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He is a team guy! Beck realizes it takes a team to win; He ain't taking nobody anywhere by himself. I like that quality about Beck. Grossman is a little more cocky, but the team needs confidence from the QB position. Beck& Gman will be a serviceable guys for the team whoever starts until we find the "franchise QB" which in my opinion is an overrated need right now. Strong, Fast, tough Defense and Offensive Playmakers = Playoffs
HTTRedskins!

[QUOTE=SkinzWin;825348]For anyone who ever got a good laugh out of the Cris Carter thread....

You are right warriorzpath, we all must have been wrong about your heartfelt diatribe:

From ESPN NFC bEast blog -
"A preseason game can have value for a team like the Redskins. No, the result doesn't matter. And no, you can't assume they'll look as good in real games as they have so far in two fake ones. But think about where the Redskins are right now. [B]Nobody thinks they're any good. Everybody thinks they'll finish last.[/B] They've got people saying they could be the worst team in the league (which I seriously doubt). [B]And while they can pretend they don't hear it, they all have the internet, and cable TV, and AM radio in their cars.[/B] And even if they don't pay attention to any of that stuff, they all have friends and relatives who undoubtedly keep them posted on it. [B]But world-class professional athletes aren't inclined to doubt themselves, and having success -- even if it's on a micro level in a game that doesn't count -- is the kind of thing that can bolster confidence internally when nothing's happening to bolster it externally. [/B]This is two weeks in a row that the Redskins peeled the tape off their ankles and went home feeling good about themselves. And a team that's going to be an underdog in the majority of its games this season can benefit greatly from knowing what it's like to feel that way. "[/QUOTE]

Not the same thing really, but whatever