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Just wondering how many teams in the NFL RG3 would have looked BAD on?

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[quote=Mechanix544;958987]I love ya Dynamite Rave.

But its true. RG3 don't need no stinkin' coaches. Or a playbook either, for that matter!

You all think that me goat and gtripp like being the negative nancies. Pretty sure we don't.

But us three also don't like going up a hill in neutral either. And thats just what we see. Shit, we are prolly wrong, and our defense will probably tighten up quicker than a homophobe's sphincter muscle at a gay club. We all hope it does.

But at the end of the day, I think us three expect a little more than the usual wait and see that us redskins fans have gotten way too used to the past 20 years. With RG3, hopefully Dan Snyder will see what us three think this team could be, and cut bait from the 75 year old coach who hasn't had a playoff appearance in the past 7 seasons, but who has now all of a sudden started to show results, just when our qb savior comes around. You all want to give that credit to the egomaniac coach with a 35% winning %, fine. Us three put ours on the young out of this universe athlete and what HE brings to the table.[/quote]
Well you and Goat and GTripp are obviously knuckleheads! How dare you question anything about this organization after years and years of...of...of....nevermind.

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[quote=53Fan;958991]Just wondering how many teams in the NFL RG3 would have looked BAD on?[/quote]

Probably any team that tried to force him into a more conventional pro offense right off the bat.

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[quote=53Fan;958994]Well you and Goat and GTripp are obviously knuckleheads! How dare you question anything about this organization after years and years of...of...of....nevermind.[/quote]

There are lots of things to question. It is the unrelenting, complete and utter failure to [I]credit[/I] anything that the organization has done right under MS/BA that is drawing ire.

Let me speak in the same language that has been leveled at me and see if it makes it easier for you to see why I find the posts blasting Shanahan so obnoxious:

If you can't see that this organization is in a better place than it was 3 years ago, then you are a moronic Cerrato apologist.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;958998]There are lots of things to question. It is the unrelenting, complete and utter failure to [I]credit[/I] anything that the organization has done right under MS/BA that is drawing ire.

Let me speak in the same language that has been leveled at me and see if it makes it easier for you to see why I find the posts blasting Shanahan so obnoxious:

If you can't see that this organization is in a better place than it was 3 years ago, then you are a moronic Cerrato apologist.[/quote]redskins win or i'm mad. if you like redskins lose, you're bad. if you don't know that you need to grow a brain

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[quote=JoeRedskin;958998]There are lots of things to question. It is the unrelenting, complete and utter failure to [I]credit[/I] anything that the organization has done right under MS/BA that is drawing ire.

Let me speak in the same language that has been leveled at me and see if it makes it easier for you to see why I find the posts blasting Shanahan so obnoxious:

If you can't see that this organization is in a better place than it was 3 years ago, then you are a moronic Cerrato apologist.[/quote]

To add to that, don't say Shanahan had the benefit of coaching in the weak AFC and then laud Jeff Fisher his accomplishments in the AFC. Don't say Shanahan was at fault for poor QB play last year and then deny his influence of the strong QB play this year. Don't say we need to get rid of a has been in Mike Shanahan and then suggest we should consider Bill Cowher. And don't say that if you agree with a moderator's opinion you're just a sycophant.

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I'm consistently patient. I think while the Redskins are headed in the right direction, things could be worse than they are. I'm willing to cut Mike Shanahan some slack. The team he inherited from Jim Zorn is more competitive. If not for drafting RG3, the Redskins would be tied with Carolina at 1-6. If not for the defense taking 1,000 steps back, the Redskins would own a 6-2/5-3 record even with the injuries to Carriker and Orakpo.

The problem isn't Mike Shanahan. If you look at the Giants, they aren't really that much better or worse than the Redskins. They own a 6-2 record because they are a more complete team. Allen and Shanahan aren't through completing the Redskins.

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People are looking at just the W/L, not how competitive the Skins have been this year. We've been out of just one game in eight so far. That's a huge step up even if it's not currently reflected in W/L, which it will be.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;959006]I'm consistently patient. I think while the Redskins are headed in the right direction, things could be worse than they are. I'm willing to cut Mike Shanahan some slack. The team he inherited from Jim Zorn is more competitive. If not for drafting RG3, the Redskins would be tied with Carolina at 1-6. If not for the defense taking 1,000 steps back, the Redskins would own a 6-2/5-3 record even with the injuries to Carriker and Orakpo.

The problem isn't Mike Shanahan. If you look at the Giants, they aren't really that much better or worse than the Redskins. They own a 6-2 record because they are a more complete team. [B]Allen and Shanahan aren't through completing the Redskins.[/B][/quote]that's all there is to it.

still want haslett gone, though

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[quote=SmootSmack;959001]To add to that, don't say Shanahan had the benefit of coaching in the weak AFC and then laud Jeff Fisher his accomplishments in the AFC. Don't say Shanahan was at fault for poor QB play last year and then deny his influence of the strong QB play this year. Don't say we need to get rid of a has been in Mike Shanahan and then suggest we should consider Bill Cowher. And don't say that if you agree with a moderator's opinion you're just a sycophant.[/quote]

Nah, I never said Cowher or anyone like him. I would like a new guy, preferably someone with a great football mind, up and coming, possibly college or coordinator ranks. I don't think goat or tripp said cowher, but I do believe that Cowher AND Gruden might do better than shanny. Defensive minded coach shoring up the defense, and get a good coordinator to fine tune RG3 and the offense. But the defense needs a looking at. Its true that teams win with porous defenses, but our offense isn't clicking on all cylinders just yet to be able to overcome the travesty that is our current defensive state. We do not have the receivers to accomodate that angle, but I believe we have a nice start with the QB and RB, and even TE if Davis can recover and isn't looking for top 5 TE pay.

Point is, I'm just tired of waiting. Seems like it never takes other teams so damn long to just contend for the division, or even a wildcard spot. I do hope we pull it together, but I do believe that the coaching staff is leaning way too much on Griffins playmaking ability, and not as much on executing a good gameplan that mixes some stuff up. Our success seems much more ad lib than anything, and I don't think that long term that is the answer. RG3 won't be able to sustain that, or cover up for so many other areas for too much longer. Our offensive line is still a concern whether people see it or not, RG3 has been pressured and slammed PLENTY, but he puts points on the board, so it gets overshadowed. Its still an area that needs severe coaching up, or upgrading, or both.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;958998]There are lots of things to question. It is the unrelenting, complete and utter failure to [I]credit[/I] anything that the organization has done right under MS/BA that is drawing ire.

Let me speak in the same language that has been leveled at me and see if it makes it easier for you to see why I find the posts blasting Shanahan so obnoxious:

If you can't see that this organization is in a better place than it was 3 years ago, then you are a moronic Cerrato apologist.[/quote]

Believe me I do understand Joe....wait! Did you just imply something bad about Vinny? :angry-smi

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[quote=Mechanix544;959015]Nah, I never said Cowher or anyone like him. I would like a new guy, preferably someone with a great football mind, up and coming,[B] possibly college or coordinator ranks[/B]. I don't think goat or tripp said cowher, but I do believe that Cowher AND Gruden might do better than shanny. Defensive minded coach shoring up the defense, and get a good coordinator to fine tune RG3 and the offense. But the defense needs a looking at. Its true that teams win with porous defenses, but our offense isn't clicking on all cylinders just yet to be able to overcome the travesty that is our current defensive state. We do not have the receivers to accomodate that angle, but I believe we have a nice start with the QB and RB, and even TE if Davis can recover and isn't looking for top 5 TE pay.

Point is, I'm just tired of waiting. Seems like it never takes other teams so damn long to just contend for the division, or even a wildcard spot. I do hope we pull it together, but I do believe that the coaching staff is leaning way too much on Griffins playmaking ability, and not as much on executing a good gameplan that mixes some stuff up. Our success seems much more ad lib than anything, and I don't think that long term that is the answer. RG3 won't be able to sustain that, or cover up for so many other areas for too much longer. Our offensive line is still a concern whether people see it or not, RG3 has been pressured and slammed PLENTY, but he puts points on the board, so it gets overshadowed. Its still an area that needs severe coaching up, or upgrading, or both.[/quote]

Didn't we try that? Oh, lets go back and try that again.

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[quote=los panda;959012]that's all there is to it.

still want haslett gone, though[/quote]

And I think that's how it's gonna go.

[QUOTE=los panda;958963]don't let the liberal media tell you how to think and feel, if you have hate in your heart let it out!

if you don't like mike shanahan, don't mean there's something wrong with you, means there's something wrong with mike shanahan; he's not undefeated![/QUOTE]

Seriously. Whether u hate him or love him its because u love the skins. U either dont think he can do it so u want him gone sooner than later. The fastest way to the new track is always to get off the wrong one asap. Or you love him despite his wins and losses because you believe not to give up now and let him finish his job. If its not in the cards though- look out. Two more years further away. Two years of rg-3 wasted by starting over again at that point. I dont know what i think anymore. To call someone on either side foolish is nonsense though. Seems like everyone is more anxious to say i told you so than for the redskins to win. However that happens - with or without MS.


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[QUOTE=Mattyk;958965]I guess I'll never understand blaming Mike/Kyle for everything that went wrong with McNabb/Beck/Rex, and then refusing to give any credit for the success of RG3.[/QUOTE]

He is losing with all of them. Everything else wrong with the team is on Shanny. So is everything thats rite. But at 3-5 there is more wrong than rite. Either way we will kniw in two years.


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[QUOTE=DynamiteRave;958972]lol I think some fans are still ill because Gibbs went all in and gave away our future draft picks.[/QUOTE]

That was the culture when he came back. He was already in a hole. He just dug alittle further looking for the lombardi trophy someone told Danny about that was buried deep in there.


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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;958974]I don't get it either.[/QUOTE]

Nobody cares if we lose know matter how good or bad the qb is? Coaches deserve credit when they win - not when they have a great qb? Shanny got roasted with Mcnabb. Got roasted for rex/beck. Now he has a stud qb and is 3-5 and what? Credit for losing with a great offense? Lol.


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[QUOTE=ForkLifter;958889]What I see developing here for Mike Shannahan is this: The defense obviously has issues, and would be a hell of a lot better without the injuries. The offense is average without Griffin, perhaps one of the best (top 5) in the NFL now with Griffin. The media is going to push this whole "its all RG3 and he's not getting any help" stuff down the throats of the rest of the team until resentment sets in. The media is going to create a rift in the locker room, Shannahan added to it with his post-game comments (he needs some help), so expect things to get worse as the season progresses. It going to be near impossible to improve that defense with the draft pick situation and the cap penalty.

Shannahan faces an uphill battle to keep his job after this season. One has to ask: Can't just about anyone be competitive with RG3 playing the way he is? The 3-4 defense experiment is a disaster, we never had the right personnel (Orakpo as a linebacker?? come on...), and there's little opportunity to improve.[/QUOTE]

Well, yeah.

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Anyhow, I will say this while I don't think it'd be a good idea to fire Mike Shanahan (though like I've said before he's not necessarily the guy I would have hired). I think it'd be an even bigger mistake to get rid of Bruce Allen. So if they insist (though I know they don't) on making some huge move, I sure hope they hold on to Bruce Allen

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[quote=punch it in;959027]Nobody cares if we lose know matter how good or bad the qb is? Coaches deserve credit when they win - not when they have a great qb? Shanny got roasted with Mcnabb. Got roasted for rex/beck. Now he has a stud qb and is 3-5 and what? Credit for losing with a great offense? Lol.


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Think you missed the point.

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Yes. I think Allen has done a great job with what he was given.

[QUOTE=punch it in;959027]Nobody cares if we lose know matter how good or bad the qb is? Coaches deserve credit when they win - not when they have a great qb? Shanny got roasted with Mcnabb. Got roasted for rex/beck. Now he has a stud qb and is 3-5 and what? Credit for losing with a great offense? Lol.


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Pretty clear isn't it.

That rg3 was drafted and developed by the shanaclan should not be an excuse for a mediocre at best football team it should be an indictment.

The football team, that is. I give credit where credit is due for rg3. The first rousing success of the shanahan era.

Taking just three years.

[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;959033]Yes. I think Allen has done a great job with what he was given.[/QUOTE]

Great? I'm an Allen fan, but if he's done great, what superlatives are left for Thomas dimitroff or Martin Matthew? Stupendous?

[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;958998]There are lots of things to question. It is the unrelenting, complete and utter failure to [I]credit[/I] anything that the organization has done right under MS/BA that is drawing ire.

Let me speak in the same language that has been leveled at me and see if it makes it easier for you to see why I find the posts blasting Shanahan so obnoxious:

If you can't see that this organization is in a better place than it was 3 years ago, then you are a moronic Cerrato apologist.[/QUOTE]

Not if you measure success in wins and losses JR. Our offense is much better and our defense is much worse. Our record is the same. I dont want to hear about injures they are a part of the game. I dont want to hear about personell or asst coaches because that was Shannys choice. Bottom line is next year or the year after if they arent a playoff team it isnt because fans didnt have faith. Only time is going to tell but looking at the state of the current team as a whole and how it performs as a whole - not an offense- well it is no better than three years ago. It is younger but not better.


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[quote=GTripp0012;959036]Great? I'm an Allen fan, but if he's done great, what superlatives are left for Thomas dimitroff or Martin Matthew? Stupendous?[/quote]this course is pass/fail

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Allen has completely revitalized the culture at Redskins Park. The organization from top to bottom is in a much better place than it was under Cerrato. And that's largely because of Allen.

I'm going to assume you mean Martin Mayhew. Love the guy but how great is he doing these days?

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;959031]Think you missed the point.[/QUOTE]

The point was everybody wanted to bash MS for mcnabb and rex/beck. But nobody wants to give him credit for rg-3.
Well if any of those qb's won he would have gotten credit. None of them have won. Atleast not more than they have lost. So i ask again credit for what?


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Monday morning I voted Shanahan should be fired, turns out it was all emotion. Overall I think he has brought in some good youth and turned over the roster nicely. RG3 is amazing although Shanahan can't get full credit for that, he would have taken Griff or Luck, either would have been good but it was a preety much can't miss situation.

McNabb was a mistake because, although most will disagree with me, I think JC had more to offer and was always just in a bad situation. Don't get me wrong I'm happy that we have the QB we do now, but man my life is going to be cut short 20 years just from being a Skins fan. I say next year we need to be 9-7 minimum or Shanahan is fired.

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Way I read it, people (well at least one person) are saying Rex/Beck were part of a poorly run Mike/Kyle offense yet RG3 is somehow performing in spite of Mike/Kyle offense

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[quote=SmootSmack;959046]Way I read it, people (well at least one person) are saying Rex/Beck were part of a poorly run Mike/Kyle offense yet RG3 is somehow performing in spite of Mike/Kyle offense[/quote]obviously they never saw rex run the 2 minute

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[quote=Mattyk;958995]Probably any team that tried to force him into a more conventional pro offense right off the bat.[/quote]

Well not to take anything away from Mike, but John Fox was smart enough to change his offense to fit Tebow and go to the playoffs so I don't think we're the only team who would have done the same with RG3. I'm not sure RG3 would have looked bad starting off in a more conventional offense either, he seems to be VERY intelligent but I do like the way they've brought him along. No complaints there.

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[quote=SmootSmack;959046]Way I read it, people (well at least one person) are saying Rex/Beck were part of a poorly run Mike/Kyle offense yet RG3 is somehow performing in spite of Mike/Kyle offense[/quote]

I wouldn't say inspite or the Shanahans because I think they are drawing up plays that work well with RG3. However, RG3 could probably thrive in almost any offense because of his intelligence and versatility.

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BTW I'm such an eternal optimist that I thought the Rex/Beck project was going to work. I really have no reasons to back it up but coming out of preseason I was thinking its gonna be hard deciding who to start because they're both just so good.:doh:

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[quote=natesurfn;959049]I wouldn't say inspite or the Shanahans because I think they are drawing up plays that work well with RG3. However, RG3 could probably thrive in almost any offense because of his intelligence and versatility.[/quote]

I will say that RG3 has certainly exceeded my expectations. I said this before the draft, I thought that Luck was far and away the best QB in the draft (I still think he's the best) and the gap between Tannehill and RG3 was not very large. I've been impressed with RT but RG3 is something truly special

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;959046]Way I read it, people (well at least one person) are saying Rex/Beck were part of a poorly run Mike/Kyle offense yet RG3 is somehow performing in spite of Mike/Kyle offense[/QUOTE]

End of the day we are still losing that is my problem. I have a tough time believing Rak and Carriker change that. If we lose to Carolina this weekend im officially on the MS must go train. At some point x's and o's and gameplanning on both sides of the ball have to be held responsible.


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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;959055]I will say that RG3 has certainly exceeded my expectations. I said this before the draft, I thought that Luck was far and away the best QB in the draft (I still think he's the best) and the gap between Tannehill and RG3 was not very large. I've been impressed with RT but RG3 is something truly special[/QUOTE]

Where do you rank Sanchez and Tebow? :)


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[quote=punch it in;959057]Where do you rank Sanchez and Tebow? :)


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I have nothing against Tebow the person, but not the biggest fan of Tebow the player.

Sanchez drives me crazy, I really thought he'd be a solid QB and I think he can be but he's so inconsistent. I root for him though

Think I was dead wrong about Bradford. Thought he'd be the best QB in the league by now

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[quote=SmootSmack;959046]Way I read it, people (well at least one person) are saying Rex/Beck were part of a poorly run Mike/Kyle offense yet RG3 is somehow performing in spite of Mike/Kyle offense[/quote]

Well we beat the Giants twice with Rex/Beck so I'd say that was some pretty good coaching there. :) I felt the same about Bradford SS. He's a good QB I think but he hasn't come close to what I expected.