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[quote=SmootSmack;825375]Not the same thing really, but whatever[/quote]

I realize its not about media influencing players joining or not joining a team. But I thought it was quasi relevant.


About the long ball, I thought people said he was throwing up dead ducks in camp on the long ball?

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His long ball's problem has been accuracy. Overthrowing his receivers and stuff.

But Matt Schaub only averaged 3 long balls(passes that traveled 20+ yards) a game in Kyle Shanahan's last season with the Texans.

Also, if you stack the box, it's to stop the run, not the pass. The intermediate passes(around 15 yards) will be there.

Re: How far can Beck take us?
 

[quote=SirClintonPortis;825380]His long ball's problem has been accuracy. Overthrowing his receivers and stuff.

But Matt Schaub only averaged 3 long balls(passes that traveled 20+ yards) a game in Kyle Shanahan's last season with the Texans.

Also, if you stack the box, it's to stop the run, not the pass. The intermediate passes(around 15 yards) will be there.[/quote]

You know what I meant. LOL

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[quote=Mattyk;825187]Not saying it's eat crow time... but for some it's at least time to take a good whiff of what John Beck is cookin'. You know who you are.

LOL[/quote]

It's always neat to check out what people say both before and after. I was just looking at some of the earlier post in this thread (and others) comparing what was being said about Beck before he played 1/2 of a preseason game and what's being said now. Someone said I reserve the right to change my mind.

Well maybe if the mind was not so prematurely made up, a change would not be necessary.

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[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8219a2b2/article/beck-shows-command-of-skins-system-browns-mccoy-sharp?module=HP11_content_stream]NFL.com news: Beck shows command of 'Skins system; Browns' McCoy sharp[/url]


» John Beck could be an effective starting quarterback for the Redskins. The fifth-year pro was exceptional directing the first-team offense against the Colts. He showed an excellent command of the system, completing 14 of 17 attempts for 140 yards and leading the Redskins to scores on each of his four possessions. Beck frequently located his second and third reads in his progressions. His pocket awareness, anticipation and accuracy were better than anticipated, and he also flashed enough athleticism to be a credible threat on the perimeter. Granted, the effectiveness of the Redskins' run game -- Tim Hightower and Roy Helu combined for 171 yards on 20 carries -- allowed Beck to work comfortably off play-action fakes inside and outside of the pocket. Given his superb execution and production during his first appearance as the starter, it is easy to see why Mike Shanahan is willing to stake his reputation on the unheralded Beck."

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So how many [COLOR="Purple"]SUCK FOR LUCK[/COLOR] boys are changing their minds now?

:laughing-

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[quote=Alvin Walton;825400]So how many [COLOR=Purple]SUCK FOR LUCK[/COLOR] boys are changing their minds now?

:laughing-[/quote]

THAT'S dirty pool!
Nice....

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Luck thing was so dumb

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[quote=skinsfaninok;825399][url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8219a2b2/article/beck-shows-command-of-skins-system-browns-mccoy-sharp?module=HP11_content_stream]NFL.com news: Beck shows command of 'Skins system; Browns' McCoy sharp[/url]


» John Beck could be an effective starting quarterback for the Redskins. The fifth-year pro was exceptional directing the first-team offense against the Colts. He showed an excellent command of the system, completing 14 of 17 attempts for 140 yards and leading the Redskins to scores on each of his four possessions. Beck frequently located his second and third reads in his progressions. His pocket awareness, anticipation and accuracy were better than anticipated, and he also flashed enough athleticism to be a credible threat on the perimeter. Granted, the effectiveness of the Redskins' run game -- Tim Hightower and Roy Helu combined for 171 yards on 20 carries -- allowed Beck to work comfortably off play-action fakes inside and outside of the pocket. Given his superb execution and production during his first appearance as the starter, it is easy to see why Mike Shanahan is willing to stake his reputation on the unheralded Beck."[/quote]

Hmm, this Bucky Brooks guy seems to be a good reporter, unlike that JLC fellow.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;825407]Luck thing was so dumb[/quote]

Not was. Is. And anyone who says differently is a moRON.

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I think that people who are on the 'suck for luck' campaign would counter by telling all the Beck Bandwagoners that it's just one game, against an awful preseason team, for 1 half.

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Would like to know how he would have done against the Steelers ones.... colts secondary is just .. not good. ... redzone still a concern no matter who the qb is... still I'm no suck for luck rider, and it was, just one half in the pre season against a Indy secondary that is sub par at best.........
I'm gonna keep watching and keep my wait and see attitude ...

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I wouldn't mind the win and trade for Luck alternative. But I assume no one that has the ability to draft Luck will give that up so easily.

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[quote=Meks;825429]Would like to know how he would have done against the Steelers ones.... colts secondary is just .. not good. ... redzone still a concern no matter who the qb is... still I'm no suck for luck rider, and it was, just one half in the pre season against a Indy secondary that is sub par at best.........
I'm gonna keep watching and keep my wait and see attitude ...[/quote]

You post a very interesting postion shared by many:
Your position is "it's only one half, still plenty of time for you to suck JB"

To many others is "Great half JB, you might be good at this QB stuff yet".
...........I guess you know what camp you are in?

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In this system JB can be good. With a strong run game and a stout D he can win games. Question is can we stay healthy through 16 games with our playmakers

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Ravens are a better defense so let's see how Beck does -- if he just comes out and manages the game like he did against the colts, that's enough. He doesn't have to be a pro bowler, just don't cost the skins games. Oh, and get a red zone TD (or two)

Re: How far can Beck take us?
 

[quote=Hog1;825432]You post a very interesting postion shared by many:
Your position is "it's only one half, still plenty of time for you to suck JB"

To many others is "Great half JB, you might be good at this QB stuff yet".
...........I guess you know what camp you are in?[/quote]

That's actually not my position, I want to see more in general, I don't want to see anyone in a skins uniform suck

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[quote=natesurfn;825430]I wouldn't mind the win and trade for Luck alternative. But I assume no one that has the ability to draft Luck will give that up so easily.[/quote]

Panthers. They couldn't possibly take 3 straight years of a QB in the first round, possibly two straight #1's, could they?

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[quote=meks;825438]that's actually not my position, i want to see more in general, i don't want to see anyone in a skins uniform suck[/quote]
httr!

I want to see how beck does when teams play short to intermediate zone, leaving alot of options deep.

Not bad overall.

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[quote=hooskins;825469]I want to see how beck does when teams play short to intermediate zone, leaving alot of options deep.

Not bad overall.[/quote]Beck's real challenge is going to be moving this offense against a simple cover two. If nothing else, Grossman can force defensive coordinators to be more multiple in how they attack him.

If one coverage-based defense can eliminate John Beck from a gameplan, then he's not an NFL QB, but assuming he can, we may have something here.

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The question posed was "How far can Beck take us"?

My first thought was that he could take us as far as Reston. But he surprised me by performing well against the Colts. So now I'm thinking he can take us as far as Tyson's Corner.

But seriously, for me, I think I've been hesitant to trust in Mike Shanahan enough to think that Beck could do the job. After Spurrier, Zorn, and Vinny, it's not easy for me to trust again. But I like the way Shanny is trying to build this team and I'm trying to keep an open mind about Beck as our interim starter for a year or two until we land that Franchise QB I think we need to put us in the playoff picture on an annual basis.

Nevertheless, the Colts are notoriously bad in preseason. So, I'm tempering any enthusiasm I have for Beck based on that.

On the other hand, the Ravens defense is never bad. They come at their opponents hard every time they play, even in preseason. If Beck plays well against the Ravens, then I'm going to start to think that he might be able do a good job as the Skins starting QB for the next year or two.