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We paid a high price, but if Griffin ends up being a special QB for years, it's worth it. This IS the type of trade that could set a franchise back a decade or so if he's a bust, though.

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[quote=Mattyk;894937]We're in a win-win whether it's RGIII or Luck.

That said, Luck is 99.9% going #1.[/quote]

Trying to decide between Luck and RGIII is like trying to decide whether to sleep with the hot girl or her hot friend. You're winning either way.

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[QUOTE=IrMitchell;894919]If any player does, RG3 is the guy.

*fingers crossed[/QUOTE]



The hell? Explain that.

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[QUOTE=DynamiteRave;894944]Trying to decide between Luck and RGIII is like trying to decide whether to sleep with the hot girl or her hot friend. You're winning either way.[/QUOTE]



I really LOVE the way tou think.

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[quote=Gtothearry;894712][IMG]http://ballerwives.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/robert-griffin-III-girlfriend-fiancee-rebecca.jpg[/IMG]


[IMG]http://ballerwives.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Robert-Griffin-III-Fiancee-girlfriend-Rebecca-Liddicoat2.png[/IMG][/quote]

Both are a 6-7 out of 10. Nothing out of the ordinary, behavior-wise.

Re: Redskins agree to trade for No.2 overall pick in 2012 Draft
 

[quote=Ruhskins;894926]Here are the Redskins 2012 picks:

1st
3rd
4th
4th (JC trade)
5th
6th (McNabb trade)
7th

That is still a lot of picks.

Sent from my Samsung Epic 4G.[/quote]


Didn't realize we had that many picks this year. Hopefully we will find some quality depth, and get lucky with a starter or two in there, if not for this year then next...

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[quote=Ruhskins;894926]Here are the Redskins 2012 picks:

1st
3rd
4th
4th (JC trade)
5th
6th (McNabb trade)
7th

That is still a lot of picks.

Sent from my Samsung Epic 4G.[/quote]

Needless to say, now more than ever we need to make those late round picks count.

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The change to the entire NFC landscape is immeadiate:

Romo 32 year old
Vick 32
Eil 31
RGIII 22

This is a new trend. I like it.

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i think this helps cooley's chances of sticking around

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[quote=Ruhskins;894926]Here are the Redskins 2012 picks:

1st
3rd
4th
4th (JC trade)
5th
6th (McNabb trade)
7th

That is still a lot of picks.

Sent from my Samsung Epic 4G.[/quote]

That's way more picks than I thought we had. Its not as bad as 2009 or even 2010.

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[QUOTE=los panda;894954]i think this helps cooley's chances of sticking around[/QUOTE]



Pretty sure he was never in danger.

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Redskins are expected to get another 7th round pick. Don't ask me to explain how

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[quote=SmootSmack;894958]Redskins are expected to get another 7th round pick. Don't ask me to explain how[/quote]

Compensatory pick..No explanation needed (probably from Rogers leaving)


Great article from steve wyche examining the rg3 trade from all angles [url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82781141/article/ramsredskins-trade-impacts-more-than-just-teams-involved?module=HP11_cp]NFL.com news: Rams-Redskins trade impacts more than just teams involved[/url]

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[quote=skinsfan69;894888]Yeah but none of the trading we've done has translated to wins.[/quote]

QB's win more games than DE's.

Re: Redskins agree to trade for No.2 overall pick in 2012 Draft
 

[quote=SmootSmack;894958]Redskins are expected to get another 7th round pick. Don't ask me to explain how[/quote]

What about a compensatory pick for Carlos Rogers or Stephon Heyer?

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[quote=redskinsman18;894879]This move tells me that BA, MS, DS believe we can win now. Thats why we mortgaged our future.[/quote]

Bruce Allen is George Allen's son whose motto was "the future is now" and was known for mortgaging the Redskins future with old over the hill players for #1 picks (during the 70's the Redskins didn't have a #1pick for years thanks to George) . The difference in this case is that they went for a young player, yes they overspent but the potential is there for super stardom. We shall see if this was a good trade or a really bad trade in a year or 2.

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It's not really from Rogers leaving, just extra picks the NFL hands out at the end of the draft

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Either way it's an additional pick.

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Here's what I'll say: if a quarterback of Robert Griffin's stature was this important to the success of the Washington Redskins under Mike Shanahan, then they should never have made the McNabb deal. They should have been willing to take their 2011 and 2012 1st rounders along with the 2010 second that went for McNabb and traded it to whomever for the quarterback they really wanted.

I realize Griffin is probably a better prospect then anyone they could have had in 2010, certainly better than Sam Bradford was in that draft, but they shouldn't have been worried about trading up for Bradford. They should have went out and got Rodgers or Flacco or Ryan or Roethlisberger (since he was on the trade block at the time) or Eli or Schaub or Palmer and frankly just admitted that they were incapable of winning without such a player.

There was no reason to waste two years waiting for the perfect prospect if you were just going to pay whatever it took to get him and ignore all historical context for the market anyway. Given what we know now, that was a brutal waste of two years.

Better late than never, I suppose, and Griffin is about as good as pro prospects get at this position. But it's hard to see this as anything but a huge admission of poor planning by the Shanahans who feel it's totally cool to spend draft picks which they are contractually obligated to use to build this team, though they were/are unlikely to actually be around when the picks will actually be made.

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[quote=Paintrain;894734]The price is much higher than I thought it would be, the 2014 First was the kicker but you know what, if those are late in the first round which means that we are WINNING so I won't care at that point. We've sucked for so long that we seem to associate a first rounder with a top 10 selection. If those picks are in the bottom 10 of the draft I'll be ok with it.

The other benefit (we have plenty of time to debate RGIII) of making this trade now is clarity for the rest of the offseason. Our top question has been answered, we know who the QB will be, now we can shop in free agency without having to wonder who is going to be under center. We can focus on WR, OL, RB, S, CB with our $45 million in cap space.

I'm waking up on the sunny side of the bed this morning, we got our QB, we still have 7 picks in 2012, 7 picks in 2013 & 6 picks in 2014.[/quote]

Solid post dude. Other side of the argument for me, but I gotta respect the optimism.

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[quote=GTripp0012;894969]Here's what I'll say: if a quarterback of Robert Griffin's stature was this important to the success of the Washington Redskins under Mike Shanahan, then they should never have made the McNabb deal. They should have been willing to take their 2011 and 2012 1st rounders along with the 2010 second that went for McNabb and traded it to whomever for the quarterback they really wanted.

I realize Griffin is probably a better prospect then anyone they could have had in 2010, certainly better than Sam Bradford was in that draft, but they shouldn't have been worried about trading up for Bradford. They should have went out and got Rodgers or Flacco or Ryan or Roethlisberger (since he was on the trade block at the time) or Eli or Schaub or Palmer and frankly just admitted that they were incapable of winning without such a player.

There was no reason to waste two years waiting for the perfect prospect if you were just going to pay whatever it took to get him and ignore all historical context for the market anyway. Given what we know now, that was a brutal waste of two years.

Better late than never, I suppose, and Griffin is about as good as pro prospects get at this position. But it's hard to see this as anything but a huge admission of poor planning by the Shanahans who feel it's totally cool to spend draft picks which they are contractually obligated to use to build this team, though they were/are unlikely to actually be around when the picks will actually be made.[/quote]


I wouldn't necessarily call it poor planning. Maybe (maybe) I would go as far as to say they were over-confident in their abilities to make this team a winner with the likes of McNabb or RG1 or John Beck. But you know, sometimes shit just doesn't work out the way you draw it up. They realized the past two years' experiments didn't work and the opportunity presented itself to get a potential superstar and they went "all in" as the saying goes. I think the price was high, but the more I look at it, the more I am ok with it. If not now, when...if not this guy, who...

I for one am excited and ready to see what else we can pull off between now and the end of April. There is legitimate reason to be pumped up about the Redskins this year and I can't wait until September.

[QUOTE=Ruhskins;894926]Here are the Redskins 2012 picks:

1st
3rd
4th
4th (JC trade)
5th
6th (McNabb trade)
7th

That is still a lot of picks.

Sent from my Samsung Epic 4G.[/QUOTE]

This post may have brought me down off the ledge an saved my life. Thanks.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;894944]Trying to decide between Luck and RGIII is like trying to decide whether to sleep with the hot girl or her hot friend. You're winning either way.[/quote]

And who doesn't like winning?

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[quote=WaldSkins;894964]What about a compensatory pick for Carlos Rogers or Stephon Heyer?[/quote]

Heyer was an undrafted free agent, so no pick

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;894948]Both are a 6-7 out of 10. Nothing out of the ordinary, behavior-wise.[/quote]

LOL that's the funniest/strangest post I've read in years! Rating a dude on the attractive scale alongside his girlfriend :laughing2

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[quote=GTripp0012;894969]Here's what I'll say: if a quarterback of Robert Griffin's stature was this important to the success of the Washington Redskins under Mike Shanahan, then they should never have made the McNabb deal. They should have been willing to take their 2011 and 2012 1st rounders along with the 2010 second that went for McNabb and traded it to whomever for the quarterback they really wanted.

I realize Griffin is probably a better prospect then anyone they could have had in 2010, certainly better than Sam Bradford was in that draft, but they shouldn't have been worried about trading up for Bradford. They should have went out and got Rodgers or Flacco or Ryan or Roethlisberger (since he was on the trade block at the time) or Eli or Schaub or Palmer and frankly just admitted that they were incapable of winning without such a player.

There was no reason to waste two years waiting for the perfect prospect if you were just going to pay whatever it took to get him and ignore all historical context for the market anyway. Given what we know now, that was a brutal waste of two years.

Better late than never, I suppose, and Griffin is about as good as pro prospects get at this position. But it's hard to see this as anything but a huge admission of poor planning by the Shanahans who feel it's totally cool to spend draft picks which they are contractually obligated to use to build this team, though they were/are unlikely to actually be around when the picks will actually be made.[/quote]


I appreciate your frustration, but perhaps it's more falling completely for RG3. If you feel that in 20 years RG3 will be entering Canton with 5 Super Bowl rings, wouldn't you want him to have played for you instead of someone else? The thought among a lot of NFL people is that Luck and RG3 are two once in a decade QB's. I think they overpaid, but if you think RG3 is a faster Tom Brady, what wouldn't you trade for him?

Re: Redskins agree to trade for No.2 overall pick in 2012 Draft
 

[quote=GTripp0012;894969]Here's what I'll say: if a quarterback of Robert Griffin's stature was this important to the success of the Washington Redskins under Mike Shanahan, then they should never have made the McNabb deal. They should have been willing to take their 2011 and 2012 1st rounders along with the 2010 second that went for McNabb and traded it to whomever for the quarterback they really wanted.

I realize Griffin is probably a better prospect then anyone they could have had in 2010, certainly better than Sam Bradford was in that draft, but they shouldn't have been worried about trading up for Bradford. They should have went out and got Rodgers or Flacco or Ryan or Roethlisberger (since he was on the trade block at the time) or Eli or Schaub or Palmer and frankly just admitted that they were incapable of winning without such a player.

There was no reason to waste two years waiting for the perfect prospect if you were just going to pay whatever it took to get him and ignore all historical context for the market anyway. Given what we know now, that was a brutal waste of two years.

Better late than never, I suppose, and Griffin is about as good as pro prospects get at this position. But it's hard to see this as anything but a huge admission of poor planning by the Shanahans who feel it's totally cool to spend draft picks which they are contractually obligated to use to build this team, though they were/are unlikely to actually be around when the picks will actually be made.[/quote]

Or you could say they were smart enough to wait it out and go all in on someone they really believed in. If they just wanted any young QB they would surely have had one by now. Lots of different ways to look at things...

Re: Redskins agree to trade for No.2 overall pick in 2012 Draft
 

[quote=GTripp0012;894969]Here's what I'll say: if a quarterback of Robert Griffin's stature was this important to the success of the Washington Redskins under Mike Shanahan, then they should never have made the McNabb deal. They should have been willing to take their 2011 and 2012 1st rounders along with the 2010 second that went for McNabb and traded it to whomever for the quarterback they really wanted.

I realize Griffin is probably a better prospect then anyone they could have had in 2010, certainly better than Sam Bradford was in that draft, but they shouldn't have been worried about trading up for Bradford. They should have went out and got Rodgers or Flacco or Ryan or Roethlisberger (since he was on the trade block at the time) or Eli or Schaub or Palmer and frankly just admitted that they were incapable of winning without such a player.

There was no reason to waste two years waiting for the perfect prospect if you were just going to pay whatever it took to get him and ignore all historical context for the market anyway. Given what we know now, that was a brutal waste of two years.

Better late than never, I suppose, and Griffin is about as good as pro prospects get at this position. But it's hard to see this as anything but a huge admission of poor planning by the Shanahans who feel it's totally cool to spend draft picks which they are contractually obligated to use to build this team, though they were/are unlikely to actually be around when the picks will actually be made.[/quote]

I've said it numerous times the last two years, Mike's performance as a legacy, 2nd time around coach, has been remarkably poor. He absolutely did not have a plan, but more importantly IMO his game-day performance has been mostly abysmal in terms of tempo, clock-management, play-calling and overall preparation. In short, Mike and Kyle have to outperform their last two seasons by a significant margin to make this trade worthwhile.

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[quote=celts32;894984]Or you could say they were smart enough to wait it out and go all in on someone they really believed in. If they just wanted any young QB they would surely have had one by now. [B]Lots of different ways to look at things[/B]...[/quote]

Especially in hindsight.

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Just in case anyone hasn't brought this up. I woulda prefered Bradford for two firsts two years ago (woulda had 2 more picks from not getting McNabb). Rams woulda done it.

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[quote=The Goat;894981]LOL that's the funniest/strangest post I've read in years! Rating a dude on the attractive scale alongside his girlfriend :laughing2[/quote]

Research has found that people tend to pick romantic partners with similar attractiveness levels as their own. ;)

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[quote=GTripp0012;894969]Given what we know now, that was a brutal waste of two years.

Better late than never, I suppose, and Griffin is about as good as pro prospects get at this position. But it's hard to see this as anything but a huge admission of poor planning by the Shanahans who feel it's totally cool to spend draft picks which they are contractually obligated to use to build this team, though they were/are unlikely to actually be around when the picks will actually be made.[/quote]I agree that this move was an admission of fault, but its also very shrewd from a darwinian standpoint.

Completely independent of the on the field play, landing Griffin is one of the few ways this staff increases the chances that they'll be around in 2-3 years.
Drafting a potential 'franchise' QB that the fanbase and city can get behind buys the staff some leeway they may have lost with their previous mistakes.

It affords them the kind of leeway that can look past whatever struggles may/may not occur this season and chalk them up to growing pains of grooming a 'franchise' QB.

I agree that this move was costly though.
It reeks of self inflicted desperation and it highlights the schizophrenic pitfals that occur when your HC is really your GM.
At first blush this draft seems like a complete departure from last year.
But in context of their tenure here its actually in keeping with their m/o and displays their willingness to give up high draft picks.


And at the end of the day although I wish the cost was less, I love Griffin.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;894992]Research has found that people tend to pick romantic partners with similar attractiveness levels as their own. ;)[/quote]

Just goofing around Sir :)

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[quote=30gut;894995]I agree that this move was an admission of fault, but its also very shrewd from a darwinian standpoint.

Completely independent of the on the field play, landing Griffin is one of the few ways this staff increases the chances that they'll be around in 2-3 years.
Drafting a potential 'franchise' QB that the fanbase and city can get behind buys the staff some leeway they may have lost with their previous mistakes.

It affords them the kind of leeway that can look past whatever struggles may/may not occur this season and chalk them up to growing pains of grooming a 'franchise' QB.

I agree that this move was costly though.
It reeks of self inflicted desperation and it highlights the schizophrenic pitfals that occur when your HC is really your GM.
At first blush this draft seems like a complete departure from last year.
But in context of their tenure here its actually in keeping with their m/o and displays their willingness to give up high draft picks.


And at the end of the day although I wish the cost was less, I love Griffin.[/quote]I agree with everything you wrote here, including the bottom line.

This is precisely why we all needed to step back and take a wait and see approach to determine the context of the 2011 draft. Before you can claim that they've committed to a new way of doing things, it makes sense to wait around to see if, you know, they are actually committed to a new way of doing things.

Ultimately, the Shanahans fell lock-step in line with the Vinny Cerrato line of thinking of: I'm going to get fired unless I get a [B]new[/B] quarterback (new, as opposed to better). Only difference was that Vinny poked around some really lackluster prospects and didn't do anything, and Shanahan waited as long as he could then overbet the market by about 30%.

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[quote=skinster;894991]Just in case anyone hasn't brought this up. I woulda prefered Bradford for two firsts two years ago (woulda had 2 more picks from not getting McNabb). Rams woulda done it.[/quote]

I wanted Bradford at the time also but by most accounts the Redskins still tried hard to get Bradford even after the McNabb trade and the Rams wouldn't budge.

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I think these are going to be our picks next year (2013):

2nd
3rd
4th
5th
5th (AH trade)
6th
7th

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To be completely fair in putting criticism where criticism is due, Rex Ryan and Mike Tannenbaum essentially tried to push a deal where they're locking the Jets into the current plan for the 2013 season as well. Would have been too easy to fire both, get rid of Sanchez, Holmes, etc at the end of this upcoming season if the Jets struggled. Now with Sanchez locked in as Jets starter for at least 32 more games, you almost can't replace Ryan/Tannenbaum after this season (except internally, of course).

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[quote=DynamiteRave;894944]Trying to decide between Luck and RGIII is like trying to decide whether to sleep with the hot girl or her hot friend. You're winning either way.[/quote]

I'll say this. The Redskins are great at getting the fans excited during the off season.

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please god do not let him turn into heath shuler

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[quote=skinsfan69;895003]I'll say this. The Redskins are great at getting the fans excited during the off season.[/quote]

Who was excited last offseason with Rex and Beck as our QB option?