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sanchez is like jason campbell

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[quote=SmootSmack;959055]I will say that RG3 has certainly exceeded my expectations. I said this before the draft, I thought that Luck was far and away the best QB in the draft (I still think he's the best) and the gap between Tannehill and RG3 was not very large. I've been impressed with RT but RG3 is something truly special[/quote]

I still think that RG3 has the higher ceiling, that being said he may need more players around him than Luck. I'm glad that we have Griff over Luck though because IMO he is just as smart but more accurate and athletic. Luck = the new Peyton though, but historically the Skins have never been a strict Peyton type team so RG3 will fit just fine.

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[quote=los panda;959062]sanchez is like jason campbell[/quote]

Why do we hate Campbell so much?? Sure he did nothing for us, but short of the top 5 elite qb's not one would have back then. Maybe I just like Campbell as a person too much...you could be right.

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[quote=natesurfn;959064]Why do we hate Campbell so much?? Sure he did nothing for us, but short of the top 5 elite qb's not one would have back then. Maybe I just like Campbell as a person too much...you could be right.[/quote]

It's not soo much that we hate Jason Campbell, it's just that it should have been clear from nearly day 1 that he was not starter material, and was not the long term answer for this team. It took getting him injured for the team to make the playoffs in 2007. He was a great person, so they say, that is why he left his fiancee standing at the alter, what a great guy.

If JC was so good and the skins were so wrong about him, you'd think a new team would be rushing out to get him, right? Wrong. Replaced in Oakland by a fat, out of shape, then ex-NFL QB named Carson somebody who was sitting on his couch never figuring the phone might ring. After that he is accepting a backup job on a 1 year veteran minimum salary for the bears. He probably won't even be in the NFL next season. What a champ. But he was super smart and he fought his guts out here, right?

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[quote=RedskinRat;959009]People are looking at just the W/L, not how competitive the Skins have been this year. We've been out of just one game in eight so far. That's a huge step up even if it's not currently reflected in W/L, which it will be.[/quote]

We were in a ton of games last year, and the year before too.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;959067]It's not soo much that we hate Jason Campbell, it's just that it should have been clear from nearly day 1 that he was not starter material, and was not the long term answer for this team. It took getting him injured for the team to make the playoffs in 2007. He was a great person, so they say, that is why he left his fiancee standing at the alter, what a great guy.

If JC was so good and the skins were so wrong about him, you'd think a new team would be rushing out to get him, right? Wrong. Replaced in Oakland by a fat, out of shape, then ex-NFL QB named Carson somebody who was sitting on his couch never figuring the phone might ring. After that he is accepting a backup job on a 1 year veteran minimum salary for the bears. He probably won't even be in the NFL next season. What a champ. But he was super smart and he fought his guts out here, right?[/quote]context

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[quote=SmootSmack;959030]Anyhow, I will say this while I don't think it'd be a good idea to fire Mike Shanahan (though like I've said before he's not necessarily the guy I would have hired). I think it'd be an even bigger mistake to get rid of Bruce Allen. So if they insist (though I know they don't) on making some huge move, I sure hope they hold on to Bruce Allen[/quote]

Agree 100%. I'll have a scotch tonight...

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[quote=SolidSnake84;959067]It's not soo much that we hate Jason Campbell, it's just that it should have been clear from nearly day 1 that he was not starter material, and was not the long term answer for this team. It took getting him injured for the team to make the playoffs in 2007. He was a great person, so they say, that is why he left his fiancee standing at the alter, what a great guy.

If JC was so good and the skins were so wrong about him, you'd think a new team would be rushing out to get him, right? Wrong. Replaced in Oakland by a fat, out of shape, then ex-NFL QB named Carson somebody who was sitting on his couch never figuring the phone might ring. After that he is accepting a backup job on a 1 year veteran minimum salary for the bears. He probably won't even be in the NFL next season. What a champ. But he was super smart and he fought his guts out here, right?[/quote]

Didn't know about the whole wedding thing. JC was having a solid year in Oakland before he broke his clavicle, then with him out they picked up Palmer because coach had worked with him before. My excuses for JC have run thin considering how many rookies are suceeding in their first year with new OC's so I guess I'll just say I'm glad we now have the qb that we do.

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[quote=The Goat;959071]Agree 100%. I'll have a scotch tonight...[/quote]

For Bruce Allen...have a Coors Light

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[quote=SmootSmack;959074]For Bruce Allen...have a Coors Light[/quote]love me some beerwater

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[quote=natesurfn;959045]Monday morning I voted Shanahan should be fired, turns out it was all emotion. Overall I think he has brought in some good youth and turned over the roster nicely. RG3 is amazing although Shanahan can't get full credit for that, he would have taken Griff or Luck, either would have been good but it was a preety much can't miss situation.

McNabb was a mistake because, although most will disagree with me, [B]I think JC had more to offer and was always just in a bad situation.[/B] Don't get me wrong I'm happy that we have the QB we do now, but man my life is going to be cut short 20 years just from being a Skins fan. I say next year we need to be 9-7 minimum or Shanahan is fired.[/quote]

I've decided the same, and there's a bit of irony. Mike stuck his nose up at JC and sniffed out three inferior QBs in McNabb, Rex and Beck instead.

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[quote=SmootSmack;959074]For Bruce Allen...have a Coors Light[/quote]

I'm not a hick or a republican.

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[quote=The Goat;959069]We were in a ton of games last year, and the year before too.[/quote]

All NFL teams are in a ton of games every year. The worst teams can be within 3-7 points every week and loose them all very competitive but pro teams by definition are and should be competitve. It's the winning organizations that win the 3-7 point games every week that is the difference.
Why hasn't anyone started a string about the skins not having a hurry up offense? When ever there are critical times in a game the skins are in huddle as if there is no clock. Do the Shananhans need that much control of a game that they are not playing in? Even in 2 minute situations, the offense is in huddles? Is that good coaching?

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[quote=The Goat;959079]I'm not a hick or a republican.[/quote]

I'm neither but I love Coors Light. It's sure better than Miller light. Might as well just drink a bottle of water.

I also like Milwaukee's Best, but for some reason, now and then I like a cheap ass beer.

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[quote=whistler;959083]All NFL teams are in a ton of games every year. The worst teams can be within 3-7 points every week and loose them all very competitive but pro teams by definition are and should be competitve. It's the winning organizations that win the 3-7 point games every week that is the difference.
Why hasn't anyone started a string about the skins not having a hurry up offense? When ever there are critical times in a game the skins are in huddle as if there is no clock. Do the Shananhans need that much control of a game that they are not playing in? Even in 2 minute situations, the offense is in huddles? Is that good coaching?[/quote]

Thanks for finishing my thoughts...I got lazy :)

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I said Coors Light specifically because that's BA's beer of choice

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[quote=SmootSmack;959093]I said Coors Light specifically because that's BA's beer of choice[/quote]

I understood you. BA seems like a good dude, and it was encouraging to hear how he's changed the culture at Redskins Park for the better. I suspect we haven't seen his hand in personnel decisions much, which is disappointing.

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[quote=GTripp0012;959036]Great? I'm an Allen fan, but if he's done great, what superlatives are left for Thomas dimitroff or Martin Matthew? Stupendous?[/quote]

I'll give you a stupendous on Dimitroff. He found a stud QB and quality coach in hs first year and has continued to obtain quality talent over the course of five years to build a consistent winner.

Mayhew? eh. Jury's very much out on him. In his five year tenure (Hey, look at that, another five year term) his teams have are 20-47. They have had one winning season and appear to be taking a big step back this year.

But to clarfy - I think Allen has done a very good job at acquiring talent, a great job in accumulating draft picks and a stupendous job at removing the Cerrato stank at Redskins Park.

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absolutely NOT. Shanahan has reshaped this roster with young talent in basically two years. THe offense is working very very well, and needless to say without our #1 receiver, that we all saw when healthy and on the field does make a difference. Our TE is down, but most importantly we have RGIII, and the Shanny's are doing a spectacular job of designing the offense to suit his strengths.

Total shame to show Shanahan the door at the end of the season.

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[quote=The Goat;959097]I understood you. BA seems like a good dude, and it was encouraging to hear how he's changed the culture at Redskins Park for the better. [B]I suspect we haven't seen his hand in personnel decisions much, which is disappointing[/B].[/quote]

How so?

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[quote=The Goat;959077]I've decided the same, and there's a bit of irony. Mike stuck his nose up at JC and sniffed out three inferior QBs in McNabb, Rex and Beck instead.[/quote]


Only one of those 3 were inferior to JC.(beck) The other two were upgrades over JC, which isn't saying much. The only time JC ever sniffed a playoff game was when he went down and a bum Todd Collins led the team into the wild card spot.


That said, I still did not like the trade for McNabb and I wanted Mike to bring in competition at the QB spot until he could draft his own.

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Regardless of how many Redskins fans feel, this team is only a year away from prime time. The Redskins have pieces on both sides of the ball but they need to attain a little more in the draft, free agency, and by making trades. It's too bad that the pass defense became so anemic this season. The pass defense is the only thing that's been holding this team back. The offense has been doing their part. I'm not able to recognize if it's the coverage schemes that the defensive coaches are employing or if the problem is having the wrong personnel. Either way, something has to change either now or in the off season.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;959113]Regardless of how many Redskins fans feel, this team is only a year away from prime time. The Redskins have pieces on both sides of the ball but they need to attain a little more in the draft, free agency, and by making trades. It's too bad that the pass defense became so anemic this season. The pass defense is the only thing that's been holding this team back. The offense has been doing their part. I'm not able to recognize if it's the coverage schemes that the defensive coaches are employing or if the problem is having the wrong personnel. Either way, something has to change either now or in the off season.[/quote]
There is merit in what u say......

[QUOTE=los panda;959076]love me some beerwater[/QUOTE]

Not sure why but this is hysterical rite now. I think im strung out from Sandy.


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[QUOTE=REDSKINS4ever;959113]Regardless of how many Redskins fans feel, this team is only a year away from prime time. The Redskins have pieces on both sides of the ball but they need to attain a little more in the draft, free agency, and by making trades. It's too bad that the pass defense became so anemic this season. The pass defense is the only thing that's been holding this team back. The offense has been doing their part. I'm not able to recognize if it's the coverage schemes that the defensive coaches are employing or if the problem is having the wrong personnel. Either way, something has to change either now or in the off season.[/QUOTE]

The pass rush seems anemic too - even when Rak and Carriker come back it seems it will be lacking in talent and depth. Than there is that punter we need. Plus do you think Moss will be back. Briscoe is gone obviously and we hope Garcon returns to normal. So wr COULD be a slight issue. Davis must come back and Paulsen is sort of solid. Depth at oline unless Gettis and Rib are anything remotely special. Oline depth has not been tested thank God but we dont know what we got there. Throw in the 3-4 secondary spots and im nnot sure im seeing a one year away scenario.


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[QUOTE=natesurfn;959064]Why do we hate Campbell so much?? Sure he did nothing for us, but short of the top 5 elite qb's not one would have back then. Maybe I just like Campbell as a person too much...you could be right.[/QUOTE]

Two things I hated about Campbell.
One was completely relevant to his game and one has nothing to do with football. Deer in the headlight wide eyes that rivaled Vinny when he was under pressure. Ugghh. Oh and for some reason I hate his mustache. Borderline Hitler like.


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Then again Rak and Carriker may come back and restore the pass rush. Why do we need a punter? Is he not going to heal from the injury?
Any reason to assume Garcon will not return to normal?
Paulsen has proven to be a nice addition
Any reason to think Fred will not be back?
Depth at Olin may be an issue....then again
That basically leaves D secondary.....

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[quote=punch it in;959120]Two things I hated about Campbell.
One was completely relevant to his game and one has nothing to do with football. Deer in the headlight wide eyes that rivaled Vinny when he was under pressure. Ugghh. Oh and for some reason I hate his mustache. Borderline Hitler like.


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Um...on that note, how about we table the JC discussion?

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[quote=punch it in;959119]The pass rush seems anemic too - even when Rak and Carriker come back it seems it will be lacking in talent and depth. Than there is that punter we need. Plus do you think Moss will be back. Briscoe is gone obviously and we hope Garcon returns to normal. So wr COULD be a slight issue. Davis must come back and Paulsen is sort of solid. Depth at oline unless Gettis and Rib are anything remotely special. Oline depth has not been tested thank God but we dont know what we got there. Throw in the 3-4 secondary spots and im nnot sure im seeing a one year away scenario.


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How is Briscoe gone obviously?

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;959126]How is Briscoe gone obviously?[/QUOTE]

He cant catch.


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[QUOTE=Hog1;959122]Then again Rak and Carriker may come back and restore the pass rush. Why do we need a punter? Is he not going to heal from the injury?
Any reason to assume Garcon will not return to normal?
Paulsen has proven to be a nice addition
Any reason to think Fred will not be back?
Depth at Olin may be an issue....then again
That basically leaves D secondary.....[/QUOTE]

I didnt think the passrush was strong with them playing. No reason to think that davis, garcon , or aussie wont heal - jus sayin they have too.


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[quote=punch it in;959129]He cant catch.


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Yes he can

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[quote=punch it in;959129]He cant catch.


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He made some pretty awesome catches during pre-season. Not ready to write off Briscoe yet. Maybe as he plays more he'll get more looks and more opportunities to prove himself. Else he has the Brandon Branks syndrome; great in pre-season, lemon in the regular season.

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[quote=SmootSmack;959133]Yes he can[/quote]

He has one reception - four targets - I know one was a bad bad drop - also I am thinking he is not so sure handed in practice or he would be seeing the field more?

edit: just for the record - I thought this guy was gonna be a real steal from Tampa - led them in TD passes last year - only 6 i think, but still led the team. But when he did finally sniff the field he kind of wet the bed.

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[quote=punch it in;959130][B]I didnt think the passrush was strong with them playing.[/B] No reason to think that davis, garcon , or aussie wont heal - jus sayin they have too.


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You're right man, it wasn't significantly better. We didn't get a whole lot of pressure on Brees, mostly he and the WR weren't on the same page for their opener.

[QUOTE=The Goat;959140]You're right man, it wasn't significantly better. We didn't get a whole lot of pressure on Brees, mostly he and the WR weren't on the same page for their opener.[/QUOTE]

I meant last year too.


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Guys sign shanny for 5 more year he wom two.sb back.in 98-99 and it might be 2012 going 2013 but give him.time HE CAN DO.IT.AGAIN. HE ALWAYS FINDS GOOD.DEFENSES AND GIVES US GOOD SRAFT PICKS AND FREE AGENTS. LOOK AT.MCNABB HERE BEST DAYS EVER.

^^ Brilliant observations. Your comments really add new insight into the discussion and provide a perspective not yet considered. Overall, a strong post.

See? I can do insulting sarcasm also.

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[quote=GTripp0012;958594]The season results say otherwise.[/quote]

because we all know judging a QB by is rookie season is a great idea. peyton manning was 3-13. they should have fired everyone. instead they didn't, went 13-3 and made the playoffs. what insane moronic clueless idiots. If only they had someone like you to show them the way.

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Is there anything else to discuss on this? We had the poll and the moronic sycophants overwhelmingly voiced their opinion.

We get it. MS hasn't won a playoff game in forever, the defense sucks and we're not improving. MS hasn't done anything right and all our limited success is attributable entirely to RGIII.

You're points have been made, again ... and again ... and again.

Respectfully, I, and others more insightful than myself, disagree. Mike came in saying it was a five year plan and he needed the entire five years. He inherited a old, talented team with no depth. The players he cut are, for the most part, not in football. The last two years we have built depth and, more significantly, changed the culture of Redskins park. Shanahan has not won but is setting the franchise up to win for the long term and, for the long term, it stunk beyond belief when he took over. He needs to start winning but he doesn't need the playoff this year. Further, this year, he has created/adapted an offense that emphasizes the strengths of RGIII allowing him to succeed in ways he would not have been able to if he had been thrown straight into a "traditional" drop back offense.

I know you (Goat, GTripp, and Devie) will never agree that this warrants additional time, and, frankly - given your arrogance and complete disrespect for the intelligence of those who disagree with you, I don't care. Pat yourselves on the back and tell yourselves how brilliant you are - all seven of you.

This thread is degeneratng redundtant rehashing of the same points. Perhaps it is time to shut it down.