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[quote=redskins forever;895006]please god do not let him turn into heath shuler[/quote]

I said the same thing earlier today! Always thought Shuler would be great, he was quite an athlete.

[QUOTE=Ruhskins;895007]Who was excited last offseason with Rex and Beck as our QB option?[/QUOTE]

Lol not me

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[quote=skinsfaninok;895010]Lol not me[/quote]

Exactly.

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[quote=Ruhskins;895007]Who was excited last offseason with Rex and Beck as our QB option?[/quote]

Well not those two clowns. I'm talking about Bowen, Cofield, Chester, OJ and Wilson.

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[quote=Ruhskins;894926]Here are the Redskins 2012 picks:

1st
3rd
4th
4th (JC trade)
5th
6th (McNabb trade)
7th

That is still a lot of picks.

Sent from my Samsung Epic 4G.[/quote]

isn't it crazy that 7, the number you are entitled to seems like a lot to us? hopefully we can manage to grab one or two more via trade. after last years draft i am excited about this year, especially with rg3. whats not exciting is thinking about how long we'll have to wait to find out another draft pick. isn't the 3rd round the second night these days? i still don't know what happended shany's first year(2010), but last year was very solid and this year looks pretty amazing. [url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/385178-washington-redskins-2010-draft-analysis-and-grade]Washington Redskins: 2010 Draft Grade | Bleacher Report[/url] they gave it a b+ at the time and the recap afterwards is pretty funny now. all we picked up with that draft was trent williams, carriker, and riley.

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[quote=skinsfan69;895012]Well not those two clowns. I'm talking about Bowen, Cofield, Chester, OJ and Wilson.[/quote]

Nice additions...but I don't think any reasonable person was thinking SB. Heck, any reasonable fan knows that RG3 will have his growing pains.

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here is what i dont get we could have kept our picks and tried to get brady quinn or even joe webb. we could have even drafted tanninhill or hell ostwiller, weeden, or some other project qb. both moves would have still be cheaper then this.

but on this flip side all we did was give up 3 picks (2 first rounders and a 2nd rounder)

normally it could have been way more so we will just have to deal with this.

Which bring me to my other points do you know if mike vick was taller the eagles would have been real dangerous. (ala cam newton)

oh and on the other side of things the bears gave up alot to get jay cutler from denver and what did denv er do with those picks? lets see they got tim tebow and denarius thomas who might i add didnt do hardly anything. one cant throw the other has no speed at all.

so can we all agree to see what happens please?

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Yep, off season champs once again!

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[quote=Alvin Walton;895016]Yep, off season champs once again![/quote]

Yup, since last year going into the season with Rex Grossman and John Beck was such a championship move.

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You all are gunna shit a brick if they moved up to get Blackmon to pair with their 3rd Rd QB Weeden because of their connection. LOL.

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[quote=SBXVII;895018]You all are gunna shit a brick if they moved up to get Blackmon to pair with their 3rd Rd QB Weeden because of their connection. LOL.[/quote]

That's be a Vinny move.

The offseason champs thing is way past due... We haven't went crazy in a while actually

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Great Move... It's a steep price, but to potentially have a top level QB for the next 10-12years is worth 3 1sts and a second. As mentioned, RGIII will have growing pains, but overall this, (IMO) is not a move that we'll look back on in 5 years and regret.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;895020]The offseason champs thing is way past due... We haven't went crazy in a while actually[/quote]

haynesworth wasn't that long ago.

[QUOTE=SkinItup;895040]haynesworth wasn't that long ago.[/QUOTE]

About 4 years ago

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[quote=SkinItup;895040]haynesworth wasn't that long ago.[/quote]

That would be a good point only if the same people that signed Haynesworth were still running the FO, but they are not.

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[quote=SkinItup;895040]haynesworth wasn't that long ago.[/quote]

McNabb wasnt that long ago. It was a risk worth taking, but ended crazy at least

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[quote=Chico23231;895046]McNabb wasnt that long ago. It was a risk worth taking, but ended crazy at least[/quote]

Better example, though luckily we got out of that with little cap trouble. I think.

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Ok, now onto more important stuff..

If I am creating RGIII on my Madden game... what do you think his attributes are going to be? Vick speed? Newton arm strength?

:)

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[quote=Hail to the Redskins;895048]Ok, now onto more important stuff..

If I am creating RGIII on my Madden game... what do you think his attributes are going to be? Vick speed? Newton arm strength?

:)[/quote]

he probably has vicks speed, but he shouldnt be compared to him. vick is more illusive, and RG3 is much more accurate passer than vick was when he came out.

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I love the fact that we are moving up to draft a QB. But DAMN! that's a lot to give up for an untested talent.

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[QUOTE=Hail to the Redskins;895048]Ok, now onto more important stuff..



If I am creating RGIII on my Madden game... what do you think his attributes are going to be? Vick speed? Newton arm strength?



[/QUOTE]



Speed: 91
Arm Strength: 92
Short Accuracy: 80
Mid Accuracy: 82
Deep Accuracy: 85
Awareness: 61
Acceleration: 95
Overall: 78 at most

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[quote=GTripp0012;894997]I agree with everything you wrote here, including the bottom line.

This is precisely why we all needed to step back and take a wait and see approach to determine the context of the 2011 draft. Before you can claim that they've committed to a new way of doing things, it makes sense to wait around to see if, you know, they are actually committed to a new way of doing things.

[B]Ultimately, the Shanahans fell lock-step in line with the Vinny Cerrato line of thinking of: I'm going to get fired unless I get a [B]new[/B] quarterback (new, as opposed to better). Only difference was that Vinny poked around some really lackluster prospects and didn't do anything, and Shanahan waited as long as he could then overbet the market by about 30%[/B][B].[/B][/quote]

I strongly disagree with your assumption that Vinny Cerrato and Mike Shanahan had similar self-serving motivations to make acquisitions.

First of all, you have no idea of what may have motivated either one of these men to do a deal.

Secondly, the very thought that MS just wanted a new QB and not necessarily a better QB in order to save his own job is preposterous. A QB that is new and not necessarily better won't save his job.

The evidence that this was a football decision is that RGIII, who is a highly regarded prospect, has the ability to throw on the run and possesses extraordinary deep passing accuracy, which makes him a near perfect fit for the offense that MS wants to run.

You could have taken Shanahan's decision not to draft a QB last year at face value based on what he said about it, i.e, he didn't like any of them enough to draft one of them. Instead, you have decided to view the price Shanahan paid for RGIII as evidence that Shanahan stupidly painted himself into a corner by not drafting a QB last year, just as Vinny might have done. Is that right?

Perhaps Shanahan was just waiting for the right QB to become available and now he has acquired the draft position to get that QB. We need one, don't we?

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/10/cosell-expects-rg3-to-be-excellent-fit-for-redskins-offense/]Cosell expects RG3 to be “excellent fit” for Redskins offense | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyGoLQjAr9E&feature=related]Baylor Football: RG3 Brings Heisman Home to Baylor - YouTube[/url]

very humble and a team player.

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Another good article pointing out what Luck will have in Indy and how different that is from what RG3 will (possibly) have in DC.

[url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/eye-on-football/17708885/robert-griffin-iii-will-be-better-than-andrew-luck-in-2012]Eye On Football - CBSSports.com Robert Griffin III will be better than Andrew Luck ... in 2012[/url]

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Suppose the unthinkable happens and Indy takes RG3 instead? Talk about the world turning upside down on that day.

[QUOTE=12thMan;895071]Suppose the unthinkable happens and Indy takes RG3 instead? Talk about the world turning upside down on that day.[/QUOTE]

I'll be just as happy

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[quote=12thMan;895071]Suppose the unthinkable happens and Indy takes RG3 instead? Talk about the world turning upside down on that day.[/quote]

These guys are 1 and 1a. Both teams win either way.

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[quote=12thMan;895071]Suppose the unthinkable happens and Indy takes RG3 instead? Talk about the world turning upside down on that day.[/quote]

I think it is a possibility....although not very likely.

I wouldn't necessarily be upset about it, but at this point I think I prefer RG3.

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[quote=12thMan;895071]Suppose the unthinkable happens and Indy takes RG3 instead? [B]Talk about the world turning upside down on that day.[/B][/quote]

For RG3.

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[quote=Mattyk;895074]These guys are 1 and 1a. Both teams win either way.[/quote]

But RG3's style fits our system better me thinks.

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[quote=12thMan;895071]Suppose the unthinkable happens and Indy takes RG3 instead? Talk about the world turning upside down on that day.[/quote]

That would be awesome, then we can justify the # of picks given away. Luck is still the better QB of the 2, he might not be the athlete RGIII is, but he is a powerful, no nonsense tough guy and just as smart.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;894800]True but most didn't possibly mortgage the future.[/QUOTE

The Giants gave up alot for Eli, that worked out pretty well. Hey, we gotta see how RGIII turns out. If he's a true franchise, Pro Bowl QB, then it was worth it.

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Wow,
I just noticed your signature "santa is a felon"
Awesome!

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;895058]I strongly disagree with your assumption that Vinny Cerrato and Mike Shanahan had similar self-serving motivations to make acquisitions.

First of all, you have no idea of what may have motivated either one of these men to do a deal.

Secondly, the very thought that MS just wanted a new QB and not necessarily a better QB in order to save his own job is preposterous. A QB that is new and not necessarily better won't save his job.

The evidence that this was a football decision is that RGIII, who is a highly regarded prospect, has the ability to throw on the run and possesses extraordinary deep passing accuracy, which makes him a near perfect fit for the offense that MS wants to run.

Perhaps Shanahan was just waiting for the right QB to become available and now he has acquired the draft position to get that QB. We need one, don't we?[/quote]Your point would be more valid if instead of giving as much as we did, if we had given a fair trade for the no. 2 pick. At such a level of compensation, I think you could defend the angle that the Redskins were just waiting for the right time to strike and found the right time after three years.

The compensation in the deal clearly suggests that this wasn't the right time so much as it was the only time.[quote]You could have taken Shanahan's decision not to draft a QB last year at face value based on what he said about it, i.e, he didn't like any of them enough to draft one of them. Instead, you have decided to view the price Shanahan paid for RGIII as evidence that Shanahan stupidly painted himself into a corner by not drafting a QB last year, just as Vinny might have done. Is that right?[/quote]If it wasn't clear already, what Mike Shanahan thinks of quarterback prospects doesn't and shouldn't matter to us because it doesn't change the reality of the situation in terms of what was available and what we actually had. And if you took him at face value, then you would have to conclude that he thought Grossman and Beck were better than everyone in the draft last year.

He did paint himself into a tight corner, but I don't think the price for RG3 is evidence of that. I think the price of RG3 is more indicative of how much the heat had been turned up on him since last offseason when approaching the offense leisurely and focusing on the defensive front was a more acceptable way to approach things.

Shanahan has given himself a fighting chance to save his job. It's still an uphill battle, and Shanahan (not Griffin) will take the fall if the Redskins don't succeed in 2012, but he certainly has given himself more control over the team's success or failure this season with this move.

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I've got no issues with the trade.. Even with what we gave up, we STILL have 20 picks over the next 3 drafts. People are acting as if we gave up our entire drafts for the next 3 years. I'm not trying to poo-poo the value of a 1st round pick but we've had plenty of first rounders over the past 2 decades and haven't done crap. Plus, I'm considering Jenkins the equivalent of our 2nd round pick this year since he's going to be a rookie essentially.

One of the things I said at the beginning of the offseason is that I was tired of settling at the QB position, either with retread veterans or with second tier rookies. This move was pushing all the chips to the middle of the table and going for it.

The next week will shape the franchise for the next 5-7 years. We have to get first round value/production in free agency at some key positions.

For the naysayers who think that RGIII has to be a Hall of Famer or take us to a Super Bowl in the next 3 years, its gonna suck to be you either way. If he's great, then you were flat wrong about 'wasted picks' or 'overpaying' or whatever else. If he's a bust or mediocre then you get to gloat about your favorite team not succeeding. I'll just choose to be positive and enjoy the ride.

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[quote=12thMan;895071]Suppose the unthinkable happens and Indy takes RG3 instead? Talk about the world turning upside down on that day.[/quote]

I wonder if the Redskins will prepare as if there is a very slim margin Luck will be available, or if they'll contact the Colts to find out if there's a snowball's chance in hell Luck doesn't go #1. I'm pretty certain RG3 will be a Redskin come draft day but the possibility will always exist, at least until the Colts announce they've come to terms with Luck.

I honestly think I rather RG3 over Luck. Seems to fit our system better.

If you are Luck or RG3 you would hope to go to Washington over Indy

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I have no major issues with the trade itself, outside of the fact that the Rams are clear winners and the Redskins are...well, they're on the side they always are. But in the context of the last three years, it says a lot about a lot. And I don't feel like the bad guy for stating the obvious.

The trade itself can be easily justified by the player who they traded for being the player they expect him to be. The problem is with the expectations. I feel a LOT better about the trade since outside observers have weighed in basically supporting the fact that this move works, schematically. Clearly, it's not just Shanahan on an island here with the Shanaclan fans, it's a lot of people who analyze the league for a living who think that when it's all said and done, this will work.

In general though, you don't want to get caught making trades that you basically can't win, and your intention is that if everything goes as planned, you won't look foolish. Noting ever goes as planned for these guys, which leaves me with reservation. But it's tempered reservation because: a lot of people who aren't the Shanahan's like this move and think that it's only a matter of time before Griffin is the most popular guy in town.