[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;959173]Is there anything else to discuss on this? We had the poll and the moronic sycophants overwhelmingly voiced their opinion.

We get it. MS hasn't won a playoff game in forever, the defense sucks and we're not improving. MS hasn't done anything right and all our limited success is attributable entirely to RGIII.

You're points have been made, again ... and again ... and again.

Respectfully, I, and others more insightful than myself, disagree. Mike came in saying it was a five year plan and he needed the entire five years. He inherited a old, talented team with no depth. The players he cut are, for the most part, not in football. The last two years we have built depth and, more significantly, changed the culture of Redskins park. Shanahan has not won but is setting the franchise up to win for the long term and, for the long term, it stunk beyond belief when he took over. He needs to start winning but he doesn't need the playoff this year. Further, this year, he has created/adapted an offense that emphasizes the strengths of RGIII allowing him to succeed in ways he would not have been able to if he had been thrown straight into a "traditional" drop back offense.

I know you (Goat, GTripp, and Devie) will never agree that this warrants additional time, and, frankly - given your arrogance and complete disrespect for the intelligence of those who disagree with you, I don't care. Pat yourselves on the back and tell yourselves how brilliant you are - all seven of you.

This thread is degeneratng redundtant rehashing of the same points. Perhaps it is time to shut it down.[/QUOTE]

Were younger, the team stunk, winning isnt everything, RG-3 is great, two more years. Your points and others more ingenious than us short sighted wanna be fans who have it out for MS are equally as redundant. In case you havent noticed. Im sure they will gain redundancy over the coming 24 months. It takes two to tango JS. Both sides keep posting the same stuff. Just because you point out that the haters keep doing so and than implore the court for the last word doesnt mean that MS will start to win football games though. Btw if he loses to Carolina this week you better have one hell of a pep talk/ declaration of Shanapendance written for all the haters. I mean it had better really drive home all the aforementioned things that we have to be happy about. You know the list, but just to be redundant - younger- better qb- CLOSER to actually winning- just not winning - no vinny - etc.


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[quote=JoeRedskin;959168]^^ Brilliant observations. Your comments really add new insight into the discussion and provide a perspective not yet considered. Overall, a strong post.

See? I can do insulting sarcasm also.[/quote]

:lol::rofl:

[QUOTE=Deivybaby;959162]Guys sign shanny for 5 more year he wom two.sb back.in 98-99 and it might be 2012 going 2013 but give him.time HE CAN DO.IT.AGAIN. HE ALWAYS FINDS GOOD.DEFENSES AND GIVES US GOOD SRAFT PICKS AND FREE AGENTS. LOOK AT.MCNABB HERE BEST DAYS EVER.[/QUOTE]

Th.is
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The 'closer to actually winning' gets me every time.

If we make a big move in the coaching staff, then I might start to see the light at the end of tunnel.

I see a light with Griff. Thats for sure. I consider myself neutral really on the Shanny issue. I tend to come to the defense of the doubters simply because last time I checked wins and losses are what its all about. I can see the big picture and pick up on arguments from both sides. But the recent run with Shanny - going back 13 years with one playoff win really outweighs what he inherited in DC imo. If he had success elsewhere and just decided on a change of scenery or a new "project" and wanted a big paycheck from Snyder than I would completely be in the "he is on the rite track" train. But its hard to overlook how and why it ended for him in Denver.


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[quote=punch it in;959179]Were younger, the team stunk, winning isnt everything, RG-3 is great, two more years. Your points and others more ingenious than us short sighted wanna be fans who have it out for MS are equally as redundant. In case you havent noticed. Im sure they will gain redundancy over the coming 24 months. It takes two to tango JS. Both sides keep posting the same stuff. Just because you point out that the haters keep doing so and than implore the court for the last word doesnt mean that MS will start to win football games though. Btw if he loses to Carolina this week you better have one hell of a pep talk/ declaration of Shanapendance written for all the haters. I mean it had better really drive home all the aforementioned things that we have to be happy about. You know the list, but just to be redundant - younger- better qb- CLOSER to actually winning- just not winning - no vinny - etc.


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You kind of prove what JR was saying. Both sides know what the other is saying. Nothing new is being added by ANYBODY moronic syncophants or debbie downer retards (or any of the other 99% of the warpath members). We all want the team to win now, and long term. JR's point is can we table these one note themes now that votes have been cast and thoughts have been rehashed over and over. I think the mods could and should step in at this point and call a cease fire over the Shanny bow, at least until the regular season ends, and if someone breaks it, personally I'm in favor of a ban until the season ends.

Lets all move forward, and get back to enjoying Redskins discussions on the Warpath.

[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;959224]You kind of prove what JR was saying. Both sides know what the other is saying. Nothing new is being added by ANYBODY moronic syncophants or debbie downer retards (or any of the other 99% of the warpath members). We all want the team to win now, and long term. JR's point is can we table these one note themes now that votes have been cast and thoughts have been rehashed over and over. I think the mods could and should step in at this point and call a cease fire over the Shanny bow, at least until the regular season ends, and if someone breaks it, personally I'm in favor of a ban until the season ends.

Lets all move forward, and get back to enjoying Redskins discussions on the Warpath.[/QUOTE]

I think there is a clear and concise point being made by JR that he believed Shanny is on the rite track and that a few of us dont? If he wants the discussion tabeled than just say that minus all of his equally redundant pro - shanny points. Otherwise you are just inviting a return and again equally as reduntant from the shanny-doubters.
As for a ban on someone - thats a tad bit over the top - that is why you have to leave this thread open. Funnell all your Opinions on Shanny here. If you are sick to death of it than simply ignore this particular thread. Seems more of a practical way of handling the whole situation imo.

Edit: what you propose is basically if someone says "Shanny is awesome" they should be banned because that will spurn a "why" comment - and well you can imagine the rest. Lol.
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[quote=CRedskinsRule;959224]I think the mods could and should step in at this point and call a cease fire over the Shanny bow, at least until the regular season ends, and if someone breaks it, personally I'm in favor of a ban until the season ends. [/quote]

I'm never in favor of a ban as we lose the opportunity for public scourging of posters, that's much more fun.

[quote=CRedskinsRule;959224]Lets all move forward, and get back to enjoying Redskins discussions on the Warpath.[/quote]

We're supposed to be enjoying this? Oh........

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[quote=GTripp0012;959189][B]The 'closer to actually winning' gets me every time.[/B]

If we make a big move in the coaching staff, then I might start to see the light at the end of tunnel.[/quote]

LOL especially when Shanny's record is actually worse than any of his predecessor's.

"Moving in the opposite direction, but getting closer!"

What, you don't understand that? Well then let's just shut down the thread lmao. The equivelant of taking his ball and going home...I LOL every time I read that dude's stuff.

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[quote=punch it in;959043]The point was everybody wanted to bash MS for mcnabb and rex/beck. But nobody wants to give him credit for rg-3.
Well if any of those qb's won he would have gotten credit. None of them have won. Atleast not more than they have lost. So i ask again credit for what?


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The fact is, EVERYONE can see that RG3 is going to be an absolute lock of an elite QB. Shoot, he already is. If he can do this well in his rookie season, look out world. Our point is, even with RG3's stupendous games and performances, far and away better than even the most optimistic of redskins fans ever expected, we are still winning 33% of our games in year 3, are a week away from being 3-6 and almost out of the race in a weak NFC East. We have no depth in the secondary, and I really hope we keep winning the game of russian roulette with our Olines health. Getting off point a little, but here's the thing.

With the talent at QB, ANY coach could be 3-5. RG3 is making it VERY easy for Shanahan, and we are still not winning. We are in the cellar of the NFCE yet again, with the cowboys and the eagles both ripe for the taking. Mike Shanahans inability to take advantage of certain situations, and then blaming other people or injuries or whoever he wants to pin it on is wearing thin, especially when you currently hold one of the hottest, if not THE hottest weapon in the entire NFL. With RG3, I would say many coaches could be 5-3 or even 6-2 at this point, maybe even 7-1, RG3 has done that well. It takes a special kind of coach to have RG3, and still lose like we have been losing. And for the renowned Shanahan discipline, ummmm, what discipline? I can attribute 2 losses directly to horrible discipline, idiot penalties and lack of focus. And one on a kicker that HE himself brought in, yet another Shanahan signing, which blew up in his face. The guy makes questionable move after questionable move, keeps the skins in the cellar of the NFCE, yet he needs more time. Time to what? To tutor RG3? Gimme a break. Im tired of giving him a pass, ESPECIALLY now that he has his QB, and the team continues its march down Underperform Street.

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gonna go ahead and go with no for big mike... we're headed in the right direction.... on offense.... it's hastogo who's no my chopping block as soon as a suitable replacement is found.

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[quote=punch it in;959226]I think there is a clear and concise point being made by JR that he believed Shanny is on the rite track and that a few of us dont? If he wants the discussion tabeled than just say that minus all of his equally redundant pro - shanny points. Otherwise you are just inviting a return and again equally as reduntant from the shanny-doubters.
As for a ban on someone - thats a tad bit over the top - that is why you have to leave this thread open. Funnell all your Opinions on Shanny here. If you are sick to death of it than simply ignore this particular thread. Seems more of a practical way of handling the whole situation imo.

[B]Edit: what you propose is basically if someone says "Shanny is awesome" they should be banned because that will spurn a "why" comment - and well you can imagine the rest.[/B] Lol.
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Just for clarity, I would trust that the mods - as always - have the discretion to not go ban crazy and also not be NFL refs and get the 2nd guy.

If someone were to come in yelling in every frickin post of his/hers how awesome KS is and how that play was drawn up for a 99 yard TD, if only Morris had cut left, or other ridiculous things than that would be as open to the in-season ban as someone who claims that 1 high turnover game out of 7 is the result of KS's stale playcalling, or citing for the 100th time in 101 posts that MS only won SB's with Elway.

I also don't expect Matty or Smoot to really do something that draconian as an in-season ban, but when 7% of respondents believe something, and one or two of those 7% take it on themselves to put it out there in every post regardless of thread subject matter, then I think its fair for the other 93%
to want the mods to keep the Warpath "Actively refreshing" not "tired and depressing"

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I, or anyone other mod, could lock this. But a) I know what the reaction will be and b) A similar thread will quickly be created

My advice, just let this thread naturally die

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[quote=Mechanix544;959319]The fact is, EVERYONE can see that RG3 is going to be an absolute lock of an elite QB. Shoot, he already is. If he can do this well in his rookie season, look out world. Our point is, even with RG3's stupendous games and performances, far and away better than even the most optimistic of redskins fans ever expected, we are still winning 33% of our games in year 3, are a week away from being 3-6 and almost out of the race in a weak NFC East. We have no depth in the secondary, and I really hope we keep winning the game of russian roulette with our Olines health. Getting off point a little, but here's the thing.

With the talent at QB, ANY coach could be 3-5. RG3 is making it VERY easy for Shanahan, and we are still not winning. We are in the cellar of the NFCE yet again, with the cowboys and the eagles both ripe for the taking. Mike Shanahans inability to take advantage of certain situations, and then blaming other people or injuries or whoever he wants to pin it on is wearing thin, especially when you currently hold one of the hottest, if not THE hottest weapon in the entire NFL. With RG3, I would say many coaches could be 5-3 or even 6-2 at this point, maybe even 7-1, RG3 has done that well. It takes a special kind of coach to have RG3, and still lose like we have been losing. And for the renowned Shanahan discipline, ummmm, what discipline? I can attribute 2 losses directly to horrible discipline, idiot penalties and lack of focus. And one on a kicker that HE himself brought in, yet another Shanahan signing, which blew up in his face. The guy makes questionable move after questionable move, keeps the skins in the cellar of the NFCE, yet he needs more time. Time to what? To tutor RG3? Gimme a break. Im tired of giving him a pass, ESPECIALLY now that he has his QB, and the team continues its march down Underperform Street.[/quote]

RG3 and the offense aren't the problem. Your rants seems a little misdirected.

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Thats not a rant, never said it was a problem. Putting together all the facets of a game into wins are Shanahans problem. Statistcally, he's always done alright, this is just the first year he has done alright here. I'll wait and see though. I hope he changes my mind, but not all teams above .500 are thought to have strong positions all over the field though. But somehow, those teams still win games...............Just curious that the same doesn't happen here. It takes a 4-5 year buildup to be able to even think about being over .500 and field a winning team? That is what I have a problem with, not the offense. Maybe its you that doesn't get the point, as you like to say.

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[quote=Mechanix544;959330]Thats not a rant, never said it was a problem. Putting together all the facets of a game into wins are Shanahans problem. Statistcally, he's always done alright, this is just the first year he has done alright here. I'll wait and see though. I hope he changes my mind, but not all teams above .500 are thought to have strong positions all over the field though. But somehow, those teams still win games...............Just curious that the same doesn't happen here. It takes a 4-5 year buildup to be able to even think about being over .500 and field a winning team? That is what I have a problem with, not the offense. Maybe its you that doesn't get the point, as you like to say.[/quote]

Or maybe your point is a little foggy. I didn't see you mention the D at all, just going on and on about RG3.

He's great no doubt, but he can't do it alone.

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D is an issue, kicking was an issue, seems thats on a better track and if it had been through the first few weeks we might be singing a different tune... so theres lots of blame to go around, not just Mike ... like i've said... some of our d players and haslett would be the first to go IMO

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Still wonder why coaches like Bill Walsh and Bill Belichek get all the glory for winning their SBs even though they've never won without their HoF QBs, but Mike gets zero credit for winning 2 SBs. They give the credit to Elway.



You can't have it both ways. Either Walsh,McCarthy, Tomlin, Johnson, BB, and Mike were ALL carried by their QBs or they weren't.


Fact is, nobody can point to me in the past 2 decades of a coach winning the SB without a stud at the Qb spot. There were only 2 times these past 20 years it hasn't happened.

1) Baltimore Ravens
2) Tampa Bay Bucs


I imagine you can figure out what those two teams had in common.

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[quote=Mechanix544;959319]The fact is, EVERYONE can see that RG3 is going to be an absolute lock of an elite QB. Shoot, he already is. If he can do this well in his rookie season, look out world. Our point is, even with RG3's stupendous games and performances, far and away better than even the most optimistic of redskins fans ever expected, we are still winning 33% of our games in year 3, are a week away from being 3-6 and almost out of the race in a weak NFC East. We have no depth in the secondary, and I really hope we keep winning the game of russian roulette with our Olines health. Getting off point a little, but here's the thing.

With the talent at QB, ANY coach could be 3-5. RG3 is making it VERY easy for Shanahan, and we are still not winning. We are in the cellar of the NFCE yet again, with the cowboys and the eagles both ripe for the taking. Mike Shanahans inability to take advantage of certain situations, and then blaming other people or injuries or whoever he wants to pin it on is wearing thin, especially when you currently hold one of the hottest, if not THE hottest weapon in the entire NFL. With RG3, I would say many coaches could be 5-3 or even 6-2 at this point, maybe even 7-1, RG3 has done that well. It takes a special kind of coach to have RG3, and still lose like we have been losing. And for the renowned Shanahan discipline, ummmm, what discipline? I can attribute 2 losses directly to horrible discipline, idiot penalties and lack of focus. And one on a kicker that HE himself brought in, yet another Shanahan signing, which blew up in his face. The guy makes questionable move after questionable move, keeps the skins in the cellar of the NFCE, yet he needs more time. Time to what? To tutor RG3? Gimme a break. Im tired of giving him a pass, ESPECIALLY now that he has his QB, and the team continues its march down Underperform Street.[/quote]

Some of what you say is true. But RG3 is the most important piece to this franchise. Do you a la Jason Campbell him and bring in a new staff, and make him learn a new offense? Let him grow in this offense. Keep molding it around him. For the most part they've done a good job with him. Why change that? What I would do is completly strip Mike Shanahan of all personel decisions. Just let him coach the team and let the front office folks bring in the players.

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[quote=skinsfan69;959358]Some of what you say is true. But RG3 is the most important piece to this franchise. Do you a la Jason Campbell him and bring in a new staff, and make him learn a new offense? Let him grow in this offense. Keep molding it around him. For the most part they've done a good job with him. Why change that? [B]What I would do is completly strip Mike Shanahan of all personel decisions. Just let him coach the team and let the front office folks bring in the players[/B].[/quote]

Shanahan will never agree to that, nor will he agree to keeping his hands off the defense. This is the crux of the problem with him, it's all or nothing.

[QUOTE=The Goat;959366]Shanahan will never agree to that, nor will he agree to keeping his hands off the defense. This is the crux of the problem with him, it's all or nothing.[/QUOTE]

What head coach would agree to having no influence over the defense or personnel decisions?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;959374]What head coach would agree to having no influence over the defense or personnel decisions?[/quote]

One who wanted to keep his job ;)

I recognize you tend to see things in extremes, or black and white etc, but there's nuance involved here. Sean Peyton for example is an HC and offensive genius, but I've heard many referrences to how he gave his d-coordinator and GM the reigns on defensive personnel. In fact, going into one draft I specifically remember hearing talk about how Peyton was "giving the d what it wanted."

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[quote=skinsfan69;959358]Some of what you say is true. But RG3 is the most important piece to this franchise. Do you a la Jason Campbell him and bring in a new staff, and make him learn a new offense? Let him grow in this offense. Keep molding it around him. For the most part they've done a good job with him. Why change that? What I would do is completly strip Mike Shanahan of all personel decisions. Just let him coach the team and let the front office folks bring in the players.[/quote]

[I]"We trained hard, but it seemed that every time we were beginning
to form up into teams, we would be reorganized. I was to learn later
in life that we tend to meet any new situation by reorganizing;
and a wonderful method it can be for creating the illusion of progress
while producing confusion, inefficiency, and demoralization." [/I]

Charlton Ogburn, Jr.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;959374]What head coach would agree to having no influence over the defense or personnel decisions?[/quote]

Zorn.

And that worked just swell.

[QUOTE=Mechanix544;959319]The fact is, EVERYONE can see that RG3 is going to be an absolute lock of an elite QB. Shoot, he already is. If he can do this well in his rookie season, look out world. Our point is, even with RG3's stupendous games and performances, far and away better than even the most optimistic of redskins fans ever expected, we are still winning 33% of our games in year 3, are a week away from being 3-6 and almost out of the race in a weak NFC East. We have no depth in the secondary, and I really hope we keep winning the game of russian roulette with our Olines health. Getting off point a little, but here's the thing.

With the talent at QB, ANY coach could be 3-5. RG3 is making it VERY easy for Shanahan, and we are still not winning. We are in the cellar of the NFCE yet again, with the cowboys and the eagles both ripe for the taking. Mike Shanahans inability to take advantage of certain situations, and then blaming other people or injuries or whoever he wants to pin it on is wearing thin, especially when you currently hold one of the hottest, if not THE hottest weapon in the entire NFL. With RG3, I would say many coaches could be 5-3 or even 6-2 at this point, maybe even 7-1, RG3 has done that well. It takes a special kind of coach to have RG3, and still lose like we have been losing. And for the renowned Shanahan discipline, ummmm, what discipline? I can attribute 2 losses directly to horrible discipline, idiot penalties and lack of focus. And one on a kicker that HE himself brought in, yet another Shanahan signing, which blew up in his face. The guy makes questionable move after questionable move, keeps the skins in the cellar of the NFCE, yet he needs more time. Time to what? To tutor RG3? Gimme a break. Im tired of giving him a pass, ESPECIALLY now that he has his QB, and the team continues its march down Underperform Street.[/QUOTE]

Dude im on your side. I was saying exactly what you just said. If you back up Smoot had said I think you are missing our point. I than was saying - no your point was - but he aint winning with rg 3 either. Perfectly good argument and must have taken you a while to get that all out but you are preaching to the choir. Lol.


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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;959324]Just for clarity, I would trust that the mods - as always - have the discretion to not go ban crazy and also not be NFL refs and get the 2nd guy.

If someone were to come in yelling in every frickin post of his/hers how awesome KS is and how that play was drawn up for a 99 yard TD, if only Morris had cut left, or other ridiculous things than that would be as open to the in-season ban as someone who claims that 1 high turnover game out of 7 is the result of KS's stale playcalling, or citing for the 100th time in 101 posts that MS only won SB's with Elway.

I also don't expect Matty or Smoot to really do something that draconian as an in-season ban, but when 7% of respondents believe something, and one or two of those 7% take it on themselves to put it out there in every post regardless of thread subject matter, then I think its fair for the other 93%
to want the mods to keep the Warpath "Actively refreshing" not "tired and depressing"[/QUOTE]

I totally agree about the thread hi jacking. Which is why this one must remain open. Its a final resting place for all of the redundant arguments from both sides. There are alot more than 7 percent who could want him gone next week if we lose to the lowly panthers, let alone after the season. The other thing i have noticed is that ALOT of other threads get hijacked when the "apologists" start something with an off topic comment like - " yeah like maybe we should blame MS for this too" / sarcasm - lol". That happens ALL the time. You want to say the "haters" just bust into threads Shanny bashing for no reason - but it is ALWAYS predecessed by a little spark like the comment above. Always.


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[QUOTE=NC_Skins;959344]Still wonder why coaches like Bill Walsh and Bill Belichek get all the glory for winning their SBs even though they've never won without their HoF QBs, but Mike gets zero credit for winning 2 SBs. They give the credit to Elway.



You can't have it both ways. Either Walsh,McCarthy, Tomlin, Johnson, BB, and Mike were ALL carried by their QBs or they weren't.


Fact is, nobody can point to me in the past 2 decades of a coach winning the SB without a stud at the Qb spot. There were only 2 times these past 20 years it hasn't happened.

1) Baltimore Ravens
2) Tampa Bay Bucs


I imagine you can figure out what those two teams had in common.[/QUOTE]

Cus Belechik and Walsh never went 13 seasons barely sniffing the playoffs for one. Also they built great teams - lott, rice , - etc etc etc till the cows come home. Yes the qb's were there. He is here too. So maybe he will put a great team around Griff but he hasnt yet. You have no better reason to say he will than we to say he wont.

Edit: another thing - nobody wants shanny gone cus he isnt winning superbowls. How bout you look up how many teams have had more than five wins in a season over the past two decades without a stud qb?!?
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this poll is so stupid .. obviously 3-5 is not where we should be but you gotta be kidding me with how he is working with RG3 .. he's an offense guy and we have the best running game and a top 5 QB whose a rookie. Haslett now that's a different story .. btw the season aint over jesus everyone is so quick to jump ship it's annoying ... learn the game people ... 9-7 won super bowl last 2 years .. we can't go 8-8 or 9-7 with 5 DIVISION GAMES LEFT .. yeah we can actually .. Relax enjoy the RG3 show - ... we are a penalty away from possibly winning both Rams and Bengals games oh and yeah we had the Giants by the ball sack and gave that game up on DEFENSE ... just typing this i'm getting annoyed with fair weather skins' fans .. I predict 3 Wins a row inlcuding Turkey Day against the Cowgirls .. hmm that's 6-5 .. why not ? why not the Skins' officially closing the Eagles window next week ? we can't beat Dallas ?? Really ?? Grow a pair buckle down and let's rock n' roll

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[quote=punch it in;959394]Cus Belechik and Walsh never went 13 seasons barely sniffing the playoffs for one. Also they built great teams - lott, rice , - etc etc etc till the cows come home. Yes the qb's were there. He is here too. So maybe he will put a great team around Griff but he hasnt yet. You have no better reason to say he will than we to say he wont.

Edit: another thing - nobody wants shanny gone cus he isnt winning superbowls. How bout you look up how many teams have had more than five wins in a season over the past two decades without a stud qb?!?
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Walsh went 2-14 his first season. 6-10 his second season. He drafted Montana in 79 which was his first season. SO he's NEVER EVER coached another team to glory and has had the luxury of a HoF QB his entire tenure.

So how many winning seasons or Super Bowls did either of them win without their HoF QB??


Still haven't heard this answer yet.


This is about giving the man his credit and you guys simply aren't giving him any. You expect him to lead the league in offense with a broken down OL, shit WRs, and a bum QB. Once he gets legit weapons, you then say it's not because of him, but those players.

So again, I ask you, how successful was Walsh or Bellichek without those players? I'll be waiting ....

[QUOTE=DCtoAZ;959396]this poll is so stupid .. obviously 3-5 is not where we should be but you gotta be kidding me with how he is working with RG3 .. he's an offense guy and we have the best running game and a top 5 QB whose a rookie. Haslett now that's a different story .. btw the season aint over jesus everyone is so quick to jump ship it's annoying ... learn the game people ... 9-7 won super bowl last 2 years .. we can't go 8-8 or 9-7 with 5 DIVISION GAMES LEFT .. yeah we can actually .. Relax enjoy the RG3 show - ... we are a penalty away from possibly winning both Rams and Bengals games oh and yeah we had the Giants by the ball sack and gave that game up on DEFENSE ... just typing this i'm getting annoyed with fair weather skins' fans .. I predict 3 Wins a row inlcuding Turkey Day against the Cowgirls .. hmm that's 6-5 .. why not ? why not the Skins' officially closing the Eagles window next week ? we can't beat Dallas ?? Really ?? Grow a pair buckle down and let's rock n' roll[/QUOTE]

H y F r!!!

[QUOTE=DCtoAZ;959396]this poll is so stupid .. obviously 3-5 is not where we should be but you gotta be kidding me with how he is working with RG3 .. he's an offense guy and we have the best running game and a top 5 QB whose a rookie. Haslett now that's a different story .. btw the season aint over jesus everyone is so quick to jump ship it's annoying ... learn the game people ... 9-7 won super bowl last 2 years .. we can't go 8-8 or 9-7 with 5 DIVISION GAMES LEFT .. yeah we can actually .. Relax enjoy the RG3 show - ... we are a penalty away from possibly winning both Rams and Bengals games oh and yeah we had the Giants by the ball sack and gave that game up on DEFENSE ... just typing this i'm getting annoyed with fair weather skins' fans .. I predict 3 Wins a row inlcuding Turkey Day against the Cowgirls .. hmm that's 6-5 .. why not ? why not the Skins' officially closing the Eagles window next week ? we can't beat Dallas ?? Really ?? Grow a pair buckle down and let's rock n' roll[/QUOTE]

It must be Wednesday. Just about the time we are far enough removed from the prior Sunday. Ive given several pep speeches this year but now matter how buckled up i get my pair they havent kept us from losing. But atleast were "almost winning". There are those words again.


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[QUOTE=NC_Skins;959398]So how many winning seasons or Super Bowls did either of them win without their HoF QB??


Still haven't heard this answer yet.


This is about giving the man his credit and you guys simply aren't giving him any. You expect him to lead the league in offense with a broken down OL, shit WRs, and a bum QB. Once he gets legit weapons, you then say it's not because of him, but those players.

So again, I ask you, how successful was Walsh or Bellichek without those players? I'll be waiting ....[/QUOTE]

I give coaches credit for winning. I dont care if we lose 100-99 or 100 - 0. I dont care if we got the best offense the best defense and the best hot dogs. Win and i will give him credit.
As for your question on the qb issue i answered you. Its not that black and white. Belechik just very recently won 11 games with gosh darn Matt Cassell. I dont give a flying crap if somehow that wasnt good enough to make the playoffs. And im just supposed to not consider 11 wins. It wasnt 2 wins with Cassell it was ELEVEN. On top of that they both architected or great teams around Montana and Brady. Shanny hasnt done that. He may have just drafted RG-3 - but RG-3 is not your typical rookie. He is playing like a seasoned veteran. We all agree on that. So Shanny is 3-5 with a stud qb. Do you not see the difference between that and the niners and pats? This is where we go into the give him two more years thing. Stay tuned.
Edit: as for Walsh first two seasons - before Montana - that team made the team that Shanny inherited look like a bikini clad super model on a hog farm. Under his guidance the team put several hall of fame/ pro bowl players around Montana. Lets see if Shanny pulls that off? Ill be waiting.

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[quote=punch it in;959405]I give coaches credit for winning. I dont care if we lose 100-99 or 100 - 0. I dont care if we got the best offense the best defense and the best hit dogs. Win and i will give him credit.
As for your question on the qb issue i answered you. Its not that black and white. Belechik just very recently won 11 games with gosh darn Matt Cassell. I dont give a flying crap if somehow that wasnt good enough to make the playoffs. And im just supposed to not consider 11 wins. It wasnt 2 wins with Cassell it was ELEVEN. On top of that they both architected or great teams around Montana and Brady. Shanny hasnt done that. He may have just drafted RG-3 - but RG-3 is not your typical rookie. He is playing like a seasoned veteran. We all agree on that. So Shanny is 3-5 with a stud qb. Do you not see the difference between that and the niners and pats? This is where we go into the give him two more years thing. Stay tuned.
Edit: as for Walsh first two seasons - before Montana - that team made the team that Shanny inherited look like a bikini clad super model on a hog farm.

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You want to know why he won 11 games without Brady? You do realize that team went 16-0 the year before and played in the Super Bowl. Did you expect that team drop off that much due to Brady alone? Nope. (also a clear sign that Manning was more important to his team than Brady)


Then explain to me Belichick's .450 winning percentage in Cleveland? Oh wait....YOU CANT.


You guys are a joke. You really are. You pumped up all these other coaches and yet these coaches have HoF QBs. You don't give Mike credit for shit, and when he does win, you turn around and say it's because of the QB.

Well guess ****ing what. Walsh, Belichick and ANY other coach out there winning super bowls and winning consistently has done so with a star at QB. SO either give Mike his due, or don't give anybody else theirs. If he's a bad coach, then so are the rest of the guys I've mentioned.

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whew, this thread is exhausting. Firing Shanny would just be another embarrassment to the organization. I get the same response from everybody I talk to these days about the Skins usually along the lines "they really got something going now." The direction is up, crazy some dont see it that way.

Ok im done. Back to the darkness that is post- sandy at the jersey shore. Go Shanny. Make me proud. Lets beat the hell out of Carolina and make our bye week a good one. If im lucky ill have power back for turkey day in dallas.


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[QUOTE=NC_Skins;959407]You want to know why he won 11 games without Brady? You do realize that team went 16-0 the year before and played in the Super Bowl. Did you expect that team drop off that much due to Brady alone? Nope. (also a clear sign that Manning was more important to his team than Brady)


Then explain to me Belichick's .450 winning percentage in Cleveland? Oh wait....YOU CANT.


You guys are a joke. You really are. You pumped up all these other coaches and yet these coaches have HoF QBs. You don't give Mike credit for shit, and when he does win, you turn around and say it's because of the QB.

Well guess ****ing what. Walsh, Belichick and ANY other coach out there winning super bowls and winning consistently has done so with a star at QB. SO either give Mike his due, or don't give anybody else theirs. If he's a bad coach, then so are the rest of the guys I've mentioned.[/QUOTE]

I dont give a shit about what he did 15 years ago dude! I know BB won not just because of Brady. Cus he built a great ****ing team! I just said that! You take rg-3 away and were 0-7. Your proving my point for me now. I give all the credit in the world for winning two superbowls 15 years ago. Never said i didnt. Im concerned about what he is doing here. Losing! Losing without a great qb and losing with a great qb. Christ.

Edit: BB took that shit ass Browns team to the playoffs one of those four years. 11 wins. Now im really leaving. You may have the final word. I have said my peace.
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I have no problem with people criticizing Mike. He's made several mistakes, and I'm sure he'll make more during his tenure. However, it's disheartening to see fans hate on the man just to hate on him. When the man is starting to get blamed for INTs and fumbles, that's simply hating just to hate. Have some legit gripes.


1) McNabb trade and Jamal Brown trade
2) Lack of discipline with penalty's and coaching staff (son)
3) Exposing QB to unnecessary hits
4) Not getting a good DC to run the 3-4
5) Questionable personnel moves?
...

Sometimes I feel as if the guy came into your house and kicked your dog. Some of you fans want to give him no credit for his SBs in Denver, and want to give him no credit for our offense doing a complete turnaround.

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[quote=punch it in;959411]I dont give a shit about what he did 15 years ago dude! I know BB won not just because of Brady. Cus he built a great ****ing team! I just said that! You take rg-3 away and were 0-7. Your proving my point for me now. I give all the credit in the world for winning two superbowls 15 years ago. Never said i didnt. Im concerned about what he is doing here. Losing! Losing without a great qb and losing with a great qb. Christ.

Edit: BB took that shit ass Browns team to the playoffs one of those four years. 11 wins. Now im really leaving. You may have the final word. I have said my peace.
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I look at it as we're losing with a bad D. Not sure how we can ask for much more at this point from RG3. He's holding up his end of the bargain.

[QUOTE=NC_Skins;959412]I have no problem with people criticizing Mike. He's made several mistakes, and I'm sure he'll make more during his tenure. However, it's disheartening to see fans hate on the man just to hate on him. When the man is starting to get blamed for INTs and fumbles, that's simply hating just to hate. Have some legit gripes.


1) McNabb trade and Jamal Brown trade
2) Lack of discipline with penalty's and coaching staff (son)
3) Exposing QB to unnecessary hits
4) Not getting a good DC to run the 3-4
5) Questionable personnel moves?
...

Sometimes I feel as if the guy came into your house and kicked your dog. Some of you fans want to give him no credit for his SBs in Denver, and want to give him no credit for our offense doing a complete turnaround.[/QUOTE]

Everytime i try to leave - they pull me back in. Lol. Only to say this though. Elway was a shell of himself when Shanny won two. I have never said he won because of Elway. If you say that you are too young to remember It. You see the owner saying " this ones fir John!" You see him sneaking into the endzone. Elway was at the end of his career literally. I do not blame Shanny for fumbles or dropped passes. - that is stupid. He has not had real sustained success at any point over the last 15 years. I love the offense. I love the run game. I hate losing. I hate excuses. I hate holding my breath. Its uncomfortable. I hope to hell Shanny puts together a run like he did in the late 1990's for the Redskins. I truly truly do.


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[quote=punch it in;959411]I dont give a shit about what he did 15 years ago dude! I know BB won not just because of Brady. Cus he built a great ****ing team! I just said that! You take rg-3 away and were 0-7. Your proving my point for me now. I give all the credit in the world for winning two superbowls 15 years ago. Never said i didnt. Im concerned about what he is doing here. Losing! Losing without a great qb and losing with a great qb. Christ.


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We didn't go 0-7 with Rex and Beck so not buying it bro. RGIII is valuable, but many of you are acting as he's doing this all by himself.

Is he also blocking for Morris? Blocking for himself? How about the YAC from his receivers? He kicking FGs (or missing them?) How's RGIII's punts look?

While he's definitely the most valuable person on the team, I think you are putting too much into him.