Re: Redskins agree to trade for No.2 overall pick in 2012 Draft
 

rg3 at #2, is that going to be a 4yr/$25M deal?

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[quote=12thMan;895071]Suppose the unthinkable happens and Indy takes RG3 instead? Talk about the world turning upside down on that day.[/quote]

Well then we could say we didnt actually suck for Luck but got Luck from pure luck.

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I think it's easy to see things in the context of how the rest of the league operates and say that we gave up a lot. No other team has really put so many eggs in one basket like we have with this move. However I choose to look at this move in comparison to both our recent success and our recent drafts. Something had to be done and this is definitely something. Sure we're missing out on 2 first rounders and a 2nd rounder but at the same time plenty of teams miss on those picks regardless. [b]If[/b] RGIII comes in and raises our level of success with multiple playoff runs and some division championships the move will be justified in my eyes even with out a Superbowl win. We've had numerous 1st rounders come in over the years and it's amounted to just about nothing so I'm okay with missing out on 2 first round picks in order to get a player like RGIII.

I really think we've been so starved for success that this was a necessary move in every way.

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[quote=GTripp0012;895113][B]I have no major issues with the trade itself, outside of the fact that the Rams are clear winners and the Redskins are...well, they're on the side they always are.[/B][/quote] How can you say this with any certainty at this point? Just like with draft classes, this probably cannot be accurately judged for at least 3 years. What happens if the Rams picks in '12 are busts, we go on an incredible run and their pick in '13 is #28 and in '14 is #32 with RGIII as league rookie of the year in '12 and MVP in '13? Is it still a clear win for the Rams?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not predicting those things to happen but all of the 'we got screwed' crap is rather annoying. How about wait and see?

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I agree that RG3 will have a better rookie season than Luck. Luck, right now, is set up to be awful in Indy. They took away all his weapons. Who is running the ball? Who is he throwing to? Who on the defense is going to make a play?

That alone makes RG3 better than Luck. Depending on what sports show you watch, a lot of analysts believe that the skins were a QB away from being a playoff team. RG3 is that perfect missing puzzle piece.

But yeah, wouldn't that be something if the Colts came out and said with the first pick the colts select robert griffin...I'd be happy with Luck but damn that'd be great either way. Its like saying who would you rather have Peyton Manning or Aaron Rodgers. Great situation we're in.

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Even if Barkely would of came out this year we still would of needed to give up atleast one extra first to trade up because he wouldn't of made it to #6. Now they're saying Tannehill won't make it past # 4.

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Casserly likes the trade, said he do the exact same thing. Nice!

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[quote=GTripp0012;895113]I have no major issues with the trade itself, outside of the fact that the Rams are clear winners and the Redskins are...well, they're on the side they always are. But in the context of the last three years, it says a lot about a lot. And I don't feel like the bad guy for stating the obvious.

The trade itself can be easily justified by the player who they traded for being the player they expect him to be. The problem is with the expectations. I feel a LOT better about the trade since outside observers have weighed in basically supporting the fact that this move works, schematically. Clearly, it's not just Shanahan on an island here with the Shanaclan fans, it's a lot of people who analyze the league for a living who think that when it's all said and done, this will work.

In general though, you don't want to get caught making trades that you basically can't win, and your intention is that if everything goes as planned, you won't look foolish. Noting ever goes as planned for these guys, which leaves me with reservation. But it's tempered reservation because: a lot of people who aren't the Shanahan's like this move and think that it's only a matter of time before Griffin is the most popular guy in town.[/quote]

You can change your sig now, I think it's a given that Sav Rocca is no longer our best offensive weapon. :D

Also I kinda agree with Paintrain, as with any draft trades, or any draft picks in general, I think a minimum 3 year waiting period before declaring a winner makes sense. As of now the odds are in the Rams favor, but a lot can change once players take the field.

Re: Redskins agree to trade for No.2 overall pick in 2012 Draft
 

[quote=GTripp0012;895113]I have no major issues with the trade itself, outside of the fact that the Rams are clear winners and the Redskins are...well, they're on the side they always are. But in the context of the last three years, it says a lot about a lot. And I don't feel like the bad guy for stating the obvious.

The trade itself can be easily justified by the player who they traded for being the player they expect him to be. The problem is with the expectations. I feel a LOT better about the trade since outside observers have weighed in basically supporting the fact that this move works, schematically. Clearly, it's not just Shanahan on an island here with the Shanaclan fans, it's a lot of people who analyze the league for a living who think that when it's all said and done, this will work.

In general though, you don't want to get caught making trades that you basically can't win, and your intention is that if everything goes as planned, you won't look foolish. Noting ever goes as planned for these guys, which leaves me with reservation. But it's tempered reservation because: a lot of people who aren't the Shanahan's like this move and think that it's only a matter of time before Griffin is the most popular guy in town.[/quote]

How can you conclude who won or lost a trade the day after it happened? If Bradford ends up not being that great and RG3 is an all pro QB then the Rams should have kept the pick and drafted RG3 for themselves. There are many ways it can play out...i just dont see how you can declare the rams the clear winner of the trade today. If RG3 is a great player he's worth double what they gave up and then some. The bottom line is this trade will be judged based on RG3's career and that has not even started yet...

Re: Redskins agree to trade for No.2 overall pick in 2012 Draft
 

So.....#10......do we give him Jay Schroeders old number?

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Just finished reading all the post, only heard of the trade this afternoon, had a date nite with the Wife last nite long over due. I'm all in on this trade I wanted Bradford but I have NO problems with RG3. Did anyone see the PM press conference when he got released from Indy, Jim Irsay is an idiot Emmmm, RRRRRR, Emmmmm, RRRRRR, there's still a chance we get Luck although I want RG3 now.

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[quote=Paintrain;895109]I've got no issues with the trade.. Even with what we gave up, we STILL have 20 picks over the next 3 drafts. People are acting as if we gave up our entire drafts for the next 3 years. I'm not trying to poo-poo the value of a 1st round pick but we've had plenty of first rounders over the past 2 decades and haven't done crap. Plus, I'm considering Jenkins the equivalent of our 2nd round pick this year since he's going to be a rookie essentially.

One of the things I said at the beginning of the offseason is that I was tired of settling at the QB position, either with retread veterans or with second tier rookies. This move was pushing all the chips to the middle of the table and going for it.

The next week will shape the franchise for the next 5-7 years. We have to get first round value/production in free agency at some key positions.

For the naysayers who think that RGIII has to be a Hall of Famer or take us to a Super Bowl in the next 3 years, its gonna suck to be you either way. If he's great, then you were flat wrong about 'wasted picks' or 'overpaying' or whatever else. If he's a bust or mediocre then you get to gloat about your favorite team not succeeding. I'll just choose to be positive and enjoy the ride.[/quote]

Good stuff, nice read.

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Ok, my first ever post on the WP forums (yay!), and to commemorate it, I wanted to post the product of some late night photoshopping. Been wanting to put this together for a while now, and now that the trade has been made, I thought I'd finally do it. But first I apparently have to have 10 posts in the books, so here are a few quick ones before I can post the photo link...

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And another...

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and a third post...(sorry, but I didn't make the 10 post rule)...

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[quote=joeski27;895136]And another...[/quote]

I would recommend visiting other threads and making comments instead of doing this. Just a tip. Lots of stuff to comment on in here.

Re: Redskins agree to trade for No.2 overall pick in 2012 Draft
 

...now post #4...by the way I too am very pumped about the trade up...

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...talk about something to look forward to for the coming season...

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[quote=joeski27;895137]and a third post...(sorry, but I didn't make the 10 post rule)...[/quote]

Don't do this...legit posts only please.

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ok 5 more posts then I can post my kick ass artwork...sorry guys!...

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...but don't worry I think you'll all like what I put together...

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3 more, ugh!

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2 more....(10 post rule kinda sux, but oh well :) )

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[quote=joeski27;895147]2 more....(10 post rule kinda sux, but oh well :) )[/quote]

You know they ban people for doing this.

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ok here we go, next post...

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[quote=joeski27;895145]3 more, ugh![/quote]

Sorry you're not gonna make it

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Wow. Good thing I am not a mod or you would be banned before ever getting to 10.

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[quote=Mattyk;895150]Sorry you're not gonna make it[/quote]

Tried to tell him. These young posters nowadays. smh.

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joeski27...is attempting to achieve orgasm through making forum posts. I suspect strange traumas during his childhood has resulted in his current behavior.

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[quote=celts32;895124]How can you conclude who won or lost a trade the day after it happened? If Bradford ends up not being that great and RG3 is an all pro QB then the Rams should have kept the pick and drafted RG3 for themselves. There are many ways it can play out...i just dont see how you can declare the rams the clear winner of the trade today. If RG3 is a great player he's worth double what they gave up and then some. The bottom line is this trade will be judged based on RG3's career and that has not even started yet...[/quote]I think it's fair to judge it twice. The Rams got more than they ever could have dreamed of getting. Even if we look back on it and think: man, that Bradford is a stiff, they would have been better off with Griffin -- which we might -- they got enough first rounders to replace Bradford if need be.

You can't really judge this trade by how well the Rams draft with those picks anyway, just by how much Griffin would have improved their team over Bradford.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;895154]joeski27...is attempting to achieve orgasm through making forum posts. I suspect strange traumas during his childhood has resulted in his current behavior.[/quote]

Nope. Lived under power lines and ate lead paint chips.

LOL Matty...

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Only 2,690 more post until I get to 15,000. I'm so excited.

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And another, I'll be there in no time.

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F*** this is taking to long.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;895164]And another, I'll be there in no time.[/quote]

:lol: :laughing2

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It needed to be done.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk;895150]Sorry you're not gonna make it[/QUOTE]



He was so close. At least when I spam posted it wasn't that obvious.

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BTW 305 posts till 10,000. Uber-stoked for this.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;895163]Only 2,690 more post until I get to 15,000. I'm so excited.[/quote]

2,794 for me, yippee!!

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;895170]He was so close. At least when I spam posted it wasn't that obvious.[/quote]

Admission of guilt. Book 'em Danno. I mean, ban 'em Matty...