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[QUOTE=SkinzWin;895173]Admission of guilt. Book 'em Danno. I mean, ban 'em Matty...[/QUOTE]



Statue of Limitations. It's a beautiful thing.

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I haven't posted in ages because I've been too frustrated to type anything more than Arrrgh. But I'm back because of RGIII. No more pipe dreams, we really have a shot because we really have a qb now.

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[quote=memphisskin;895175]I haven't posted in ages because I've been too frustrated to type anything more than Arrrgh. But I'm back because of RGIII. No more pipe dreams, we really have a shot because we really have a qb now.[/quote]

Oh fair weather fan, how nice... ;) Welcome back to the game playa

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/10/bruce-allen-redskins-fell-in-love-with-two-players-in-this-draft/]Bruce Allen: Redskins fell in love with two players in this draft | ProFootballTalk[/url]

[QUOTE]Redskins General Manager Bruce Allen says the logic behind the huge trade to move up four spots in this year’s NFL draft is simple: There are two great players in this draft and neither of them will still be on the board at No. 6, but one of them will be on the board at No. 2.

Obviously, the two players Allen is referring to are Andrew Luck and Robert Griffin III, and with the Colts almost certain to draft Luck, the Redskins will get Griffin. Allen says the Redskins are thrilled with that.

“We fell in love with two players in the draft and one of those players will be a great Redskin,” Allen said.

Allen said getting the trade done prior to free agency was important because it allows the Redskins to start putting together their team around the rookie quarterback they’ll add next month.
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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/10/cosell-expects-rg3-to-be-excellent-fit-for-redskins-offense/]Cosell expects RG3 to be “excellent fit” for Redskins offense | ProFootballTalk[/url]

[QUOTE=SBXVII;895204][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/10/bruce-allen-redskins-fell-in-love-with-two-players-in-this-draft/]Bruce Allen: Redskins fell in love with two players in this draft | ProFootballTalk[/url][/QUOTE]

Love it
Httr

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[quote=Mattyk;895150]Sorry you're not gonna make it[/quote]

That's hilarious.. Now you just gave some seventh grader a great story to tell at recess.. "I was thiiiiiiiiiiiiis close to blowing their MINDS and then got banned.". I hope for comedic reasons you were watching all of his previous posts and waited until he got to 10 to ban him just to eff up his night. Getting banned on RGIII day, priceless.

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I'm doing the happy dance!

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[quote=EEich;895209]I'm doing the happy dance![/quote]

I don't know why this made me think of Perfect Strangers...

[YT]GfPg5LjGYz8[/YT]

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[quote=SBXVII;895204][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/10/bruce-allen-redskins-fell-in-love-with-two-players-in-this-draft/]Bruce Allen: Redskins fell in love with two players in this draft | ProFootballTalk[/url][/quote]

Apparently BA didn't follow Greg Blache's advise of not falling in love with rookies. LOL.

[url]http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2012-03-10/rg3-washington-redskins-offseason-plan-robert-griffin-iii-laron-landry[/url]

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I hope this works out because the Skins are irrelevant now and they will really completely be nowheresville for at least a decade more if this move flops.

I am really hoping the Colts get brain-lock and take RGIII so the Skins are able to draft a pro style QB in Luck.

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[quote=GTripp0012;895155]I think it's fair to judge it twice. The Rams got more than they ever could have dreamed of getting. Even if we look back on it and think: man, that Bradford is a stiff, they would have been better off with Griffin -- which we might -- they got enough first rounders to replace Bradford if need be.

You can't really judge this trade by how well the Rams draft with those picks anyway, just by how much Griffin would have improved their team over Bradford.[/quote]

I know what your saying but The NFL is a QB league. If RG3 is decidedly better then Bradford then the Rams made a bad trade. That's the bottom line

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[quote=celts32;895216]I know what your saying but The NFL is a QB league. If RG3 is decidedly better then Bradford then the Rams made a bad trade. That's the bottom line[/quote]

If Griffin is decidedly better than Bradford then we kicked ass.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;895020]The offseason champs thing is way past due... We haven't went crazy in a while actually[/quote]

So a year constitutes "in a while" now? McNabb ring a bell?

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[quote=NC_Skins;895228]So a year constitutes "in a while" now? McNabb ring a bell?[/quote]


I meant by Free Agency ad going nuts like we used too, McNabb was a trade that just didn't work but we didn't give him crazy $

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[quote=SBXVII;895204][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/10/bruce-allen-redskins-fell-in-love-with-two-players-in-this-draft/]Bruce Allen: Redskins fell in love with two players in this draft | ProFootballTalk[/url][/quote]

But, but Bruce Allen has no say in who gets added to the team.

/sarcasm

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I love this trade (see tag line). No amount of contrarian shade throwing will kill my buzz! Sweet QB bliss!

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do i think we overpaid? yes. do i think it was necessary? yes...

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Give me 1 SB appearance and this trade will never be questioned

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yes, we overpaid, but either you think the trade will work out or you think it won't. all the yeah buts sounds like reserving future "i told you so" fence sitting.

I didn't like the QBs last year (draft/on the team), I though beck was a wasted pick, and i don't like barkley as much as rgiii or luck, so i'm fine with it. maybe it turns out to be a huge mistake, but i think the floor potential on this isn't that low and the ceiling is very very high.

we took a chance, and i'm hoping it works. and yes, i would have liked to pay less for rgiii, but if the choice is between the picks for him or taking the somewhat meh RT, i agree with our FO on this one.

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oh, and only 294 posts to go :P

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[quote=That Guy;895239]yes, we overpaid, but either you think the trade will work out or you think it won't. all the yeah buts sounds like reserving future "i told you so" fence sitting.

I didn't like the QBs last year (draft/on the team), I though [B]beck was a wasted pick,[/B] and i don't like barkley as much as rgiii or luck, so i'm fine with it. maybe it turns out to be a huge mistake, but i think the floor potential on this isn't that low and the ceiling is very very high.

we took a chance, and i'm hoping it works. and yes, i would have liked to pay less for rgiii, but[B] if the choice is between the picks for him or taking the somewhat meh RT,[/B] i agree with our FO on this one.[/quote]

Did I miss something? Beck was not a draft pick and I don't recall the team giving up a draft pick for him... did they? and you didn't like any of the QB's in the draft last yr? Newton? I'll be honest I didn't like him at the time but he supprised me. I like Dalton and he did better then I expected.

Why did the choice have to be between RGIII or a RT? I would have figured they would have taken the next best QB in the draft or WR.

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[quote=SBXVII;895250]Did I miss something? [B]Beck was not a draft pick and I don't recall the team giving up a draft pick for him... did they? [/B]and you didn't like any of the QB's in the draft last yr? Newton? I'll be honest I didn't like him at the time but he supprised me. I like Dalton and he did better then I expected.

Why did the choice have to be between RGIII or a RT? I would have figured they would have taken the next best QB in the draft or WR.[/quote]

We got Beck in a trade for the immortal future HoFer Doug Dutch.

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I think by RT he meant Ryan Tannehill

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[quote=celts32;895216]I know what your saying but The NFL is a QB league. If RG3 is decidedly better then Bradford then the Rams made a bad trade. That's the bottom line[/quote]Well, even then, it still requires Ryan Tannehill to be something short of a real NFL quarterback.

If Bradford is out of the league in three years and Griffin goes on to be Robert Griffin, then the Rams probably didn't get enough to justify their decision to not pick Griffin. But they couldn't have done any better in the trade market. And so yes, they still win.

I don't think we can just go out and set expectations for Griffin so high as to win games by himself with the roster as currently constructed. I think we have to be very accepting that if Griffin ends up being a periodicly exciting, often frustrating, quality NFL starter who does get a big money second contract from the Redskins, well, that's what the second overall pick is supposed to get you. Steve McNair and Kerry Collins weren't draft busts. They played in Super Bowls.

IMO, the expectations for Griffin will be tied to what the Redskins gave up for him, but the Redskins were likely just being shortsighted.

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Let's be honest here, we (as Redskins fans) shouldn't care who is perceived as the winner of the trade if RGIII can come in here and lead our team to multiple playoff appearances. If the Rams go on and win a Superbowl in three years good for them, but it doesn't mean we would have similar success had we kept those draft picks, and it doesn't mean we made the wrong move. The only way this trade should be deemed a failure is if RGIII is a true bust and we continue to lose more games than we win.

I don't need to see his bust in Canton 30 years from now to deem this trade a success, what I need is a return to winning ways.

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I already don't give a damn about who the "winner" is and don't care what we gave up. It's done, it's over, we got our QB and I haven't been this excited since I saw that woman fall at McDonalds. Time to move on to free agency. Lets go baby!!!!

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[quote=GTripp0012;895256]Well, even then, it still requires Ryan Tannehill to be something short of a real NFL quarterback.

If Bradford is out of the league in three years and Griffin goes on to be Robert Griffin, then the Rams probably didn't get enough to justify their decision to not pick Griffin. But they couldn't have done any better in the trade market. And so yes, they still win.

I don't think we can just go out and set expectations for Griffin so high as to win games by himself with the roster as currently constructed. I think we have to be very accepting that if Griffin ends up being a periodicly exciting, often frustrating, quality NFL starter who does get a big money second contract from the Redskins, well, that's what the second overall pick is supposed to get you. Steve McNair and Kerry Collins weren't draft busts. They played in Super Bowls.

IMO, the expectations for Griffin will be tied to what the Redskins gave up for him, but the Redskins were likely just being shortsighted.[/quote]

2013 draft pick will be a good one for the rams probably. 2014 maybe not.

We have young talent and the drafts have been good. Allen and Shanny are finding talent in later rounds.

If we get another starter or 2 and a couple more backups in this years draft we could have the depth and offensive capabilities ready to heavily contribute to in the 2013 season Hankerson and another FA WR or draftee, Helu and Royster sharing carries, and Davis at te. If RG3 can be the spark, he could have a few weapons.

It looks like Shanny is building a finesse O.

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This is an amazing feeling. The first game at FedEx will be crazy. I wish I could be there but I have a feeling the Skins are about to get more national exposure :food-smil

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[quote=GreekSkin;895270]Let's be honest here, we (as Redskins fans) shouldn't care who is perceived as the winner of the trade if RGIII can come in here and lead our team to multiple playoff appearances. If the Rams go on and win a Superbowl in three years good for them, but it doesn't mean we would have similar success had we kept those draft picks, and it doesn't mean we made the wrong move. The only way this trade should be deemed a failure is if RGIII is a true bust and we continue to lose more games than we win.

I don't need to see his bust in Canton 30 years from now to deem this trade a success, what I need is a return to winning ways.[/quote]

I dont think the Redskins or any other team give away this much for a player get them to multiple playoff appearances, they want multiple championships. I do think you are right though, college style QBs do lead NFL teams to playoff appearances but not Super Bowl wins. Who knows maybe RGIII will break the mold.

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I look at the trade like I looked at Atlanta's last draft for Julio Jones. Most people thought ATL gave up way to much to get JJ. I looked at it like Atlanta made the move for Julio Jones, not for the 6th pick. He represented (what they believed) was their greatest need- a second vertical threat to complement Roddy White (ToGo, while productive, is aging).

While the Falcons certainly may have had less holes to fill than the Skins', we gave away "the farm" not for the prestige of second pick overall. We're not using it for Claiborne, Kalil or Blackmon. It's for RG3- a potential stud (which describes [I]every[/I] prospect) quarterback. The player who has the ball in his hands every offensive snap (minus kicks and wildcat formations).

This draft play also sets the table for free agency, especially on the offensive side of the ball.

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[quote=irish;895281]I dont think the Redskins or any other team give away this much for a player get them to multiple playoff appearances, they want multiple championships. I do think you are right though, college style QBs do lead NFL teams to playoff appearances but not Super Bowl wins. Who knows maybe RGIII will break the mold.[/quote]

The flipside is the Cam Newton story: I thought he ran too simplistic an offense at Auburn to translate to NFL success (pistol, zone-read option). Then we saw what happened- singlehandedly resurrected Steve Smith's career and broke all kinds of passing records against professional defenses.

RG3's got smarts, so I'm betting on him picking up any system he needs to learn. His physical gifts will take care of the rest.

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This trade:

- Increases the chances we will win the Super Bowl
- Increases the chances we will be absolutely terrible the next 10 years
- Decreases the chances we'll be mired in mediocrity

The only bullet I care about is the first one. I see no difference between mediocrity and terrible. We will never ascend beyond mediocrity in the NFL without a star quarterback. Rex Grossman gives us no hope. I don't believe any QB in this draft aside from RG3 and Luck give you significant hope.

Nobody would ever say the Broncos paid too much for Elway, and nobody would ever say the Giants paid too much for Eli.

Who wants a sporadic playoff berth here and there? I want Super Bowls, multiple Super Bowls. Take your shot, never up never in.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;895174]Statue of Limitations. It's a beautiful thing.[/quote]

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She is kinda purty, isnt she, lol.....

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[quote=itvnetop;895283]The flipside is the Cam Newton story: I thought he ran too simplistic an offense at Auburn to translate to NFL success (pistol, zone-read option). Then we saw what happened- singlehandedly resurrected Steve Smith's career and broke all kinds of passing records against professional defenses.

RG3's got smarts, so I'm betting on him picking up any system he needs to learn. His physical gifts will take care of the rest.[/quote]

Yep, CN had a great year but hasnt won anything yet. Time will tell if he's a stat machine or a championship winner.

I have no doubt RGIII will pick up whatever system he's asked to run. His physical skills are very impressive but IMO his physical skill set does not match up with that of championship winning NFL QBs. Time will tell if he's successful.

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[quote=GTripp0012;895256]Well, even then, it still requires Ryan Tannehill to be something short of a real NFL quarterback.

If Bradford is out of the league in three years and Griffin goes on to be Robert Griffin, then the Rams probably didn't get enough to justify their decision to not pick Griffin. But they couldn't have done any better in the trade market. And so yes, they still win.

I don't think we can just go out and set expectations for Griffin so high as to win games by himself with the roster as currently constructed. I think we have to be very accepting that if Griffin ends up being a periodicly exciting, often frustrating, quality NFL starter who does get a big money second contract from the Redskins, well, that's what the second overall pick is supposed to get you. Steve McNair and Kerry Collins weren't draft busts. They played in Super Bowls.

IMO, the expectations for Griffin will be tied to what the Redskins gave up for him, but the Redskins were likely just being shortsighted.[/quote]

I get what your saying, I just think QB's change the logic behind your point. And besides in my opinion the trade will work out for both teams. I like Bradford so i think the Rams were smart to trade the pick and they got good value for it. I also think the Redskins made a great trade because they got the QB they have seemingly needed forever and the price will be looked at as insignificant if he plays to anywhere near his potential. win win IMO...

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[quote=Mattyk;895150]Sorry you're not gonna make it[/quote]

Too Funny :nono:

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[quote=celts32;895296]I get what your saying, I just think QB's change the logic behind your point. And besides in my opinion the trade will work out for both teams. I like Bradford so i think the Rams were smart to trade the pick and they got good value for it. I also think the Redskins made a great trade because they got the QB they have seemingly needed forever and the price will be looked at as insignificant if he plays to anywhere near his potential. win win IMO...[/quote]

I agree and would rather take RGIII by moving up then draft Tannehill @ say 4like Cleveland may be forced too do now.

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[quote=irish;895281]I dont think the Redskins or any other team give away this much for a player get them to multiple playoff appearances, they want multiple championships. I do think you are right though, [B]college style QBs do lead NFL teams to playoff appearances but not Super Bowl wins.[/B] Who knows maybe RGIII will break the mold.[/quote]

So what "style" QBs lead NFL teams to Super Bowl wins? QBs that did not go to college?

I fail to understand your point here...