Re: Redskins agree to trade for No.2 overall pick in 2012 Draft
 

So, we have our 1st round draft choice this offseason. Without a 2nd rounder, we have a 3rd, two 4ths, a 5th, 6th, and 7th rounders, correct? Besides RG3 or Luck, that leaves us with six other draft choices. I'm sure Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan can find very good players in those rounds. Something tells me that they will be drafting more for offense than defense this coming draft.

Re: Redskins agree to trade for No.2 overall pick in 2012 Draft
 

Allow me to pose this question to everyone:

Would you trade our #2 overall pick to a team if they come over the top with even more draft picks than what we gave up? For example: Browns offer us this years 2 1st rounders, this years 2nd round pick, & 2013 1st and 2nd round picks.

Re: Redskins agree to trade for No.2 overall pick in 2012 Draft
 

Tannehill at #4 then?

Re: Redskins agree to trade for No.2 overall pick in 2012 Draft
 

[quote=redskinsman18;895308]Allow me to pose this question to everyone:

Would you trade our #2 overall pick to a team if they come over the top with even more draft picks than what we gave up? For example: Browns offer us this years 2 1st rounders, this years 2nd round pick, & 2013 1st and 2nd round picks.[/quote]

no. roll with what we got.

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That would be tough call. I think that problem with that is that everyone would feel that we would not get the "franchise" qb although (in theory) you would be able to land 2 or possibly 3 (depending on who get in the 2'nd round) impact players this year and 2 impact players next year if you didn't trade the picks.

I think I wouldn't do it because we would still have a qb issue this year and unless we had an top 3 pick next year we would still have to make a trade to "the franshise qb".


[quote=redskinsman18;895308]Allow me to pose this question to everyone:

Would you trade our #2 overall pick to a team if they come over the top with even more draft picks than what we gave up? For example: Browns offer us this years 2 1st rounders, this years 2nd round pick, & 2013 1st and 2nd round picks.[/quote]

Re: Redskins agree to trade for No.2 overall pick in 2012 Draft
 

[quote=redskinsman18;895308]Allow me to pose this question to everyone:

Would you trade our #2 overall pick to a team if they come over the top with even more draft picks than what we gave up? For example: Browns offer us this years 2 1st rounders, this years 2nd round pick, & 2013 1st and 2nd round picks.[/quote]

More importantly, would you do this deal if you found out Peyton would sign with us? Take all those picks, sign peyton and others in free agency, and use the Browns picks next year to get Barkley.

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[quote=SmootSmack;895310]Tannehill at #4 then?[/quote]

Love the humor. :)

Re: Redskins agree to trade for No.2 overall pick in 2012 Draft
 

[quote=redskinsman18;895308]Allow me to pose this question to everyone:

Would you trade our #2 overall pick to a team if they come over the top with even more draft picks than what we gave up? For example: Browns offer us this years 2 1st rounders, this years 2nd round pick, & 2013 1st and 2nd round picks.[/quote]Its kinda a pointless hypothetical but I'll bite:

2 first rounders + a 2nd rounder + 2013 1st and 2nd rounders?

Yes, I would make that trade.

Re: Redskins agree to trade for No.2 overall pick in 2012 Draft
 

[quote=redskinsman18;895308]Allow me to pose this question to everyone:

Would you trade our #2 overall pick to a team if they come over the top with even more draft picks than what we gave up? For example: Browns offer us this years 2 1st rounders, this years 2nd round pick, & 2013 1st and 2nd round picks.[/quote]

I think you'd have to be crazy not to take that offer.

Re: Redskins agree to trade for No.2 overall pick in 2012 Draft
 

Watch HIGHLIGHT film of this guy (RG3) and you won't make that deal IMO. Meaning we would NOT trade back with cleveland to #4.

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Will some of you feel better if we package our 3rd and 4th to move back up into the 2nd? We'd still have 4th, 5th, 6th and at least one 7th.

Re: Redskins agree to trade for No.2 overall pick in 2012 Draft
 

[quote=Paintrain;895369]Will some of you feel better if we package our 3rd and 4th to move back up into the 2nd? We'd still have 4th, 5th, 6th and at least one 7th.[/quote]i feel fine about where we stand

Re: Redskins agree to trade for No.2 overall pick in 2012 Draft
 

Is anyone else feeling the sticker shock of the Griffin deal wearing off and pure joy arising from having a stud QB?

Re: Redskins agree to trade for No.2 overall pick in 2012 Draft
 

[quote=SmootSmack;895310]Tannehill at #4 then?[/quote]

I'm thinking no. I think RG3 was worth risking letting go of McCoy or pissing him off drafting his perceived replacement. I'm not so sure if Tannehill is worth the gamble, when one could argue that McCoy is a couple supporting cast members of being a better than average QB. That's how I see it, anyways.

[quote=Lotus;895392]Is anyone else feeling the sticker shock of the Griffin deal wearing off and pure joy arising from having a stud QB?[/quote]

I know I am. This is the most hopeful I've felt in more than a decade.

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[quote=Paintrain;895369]Will some of you feel better if we package our 3rd and 4th to move back up into the 2nd? We'd still have 4th, 5th, 6th and at least one 7th.[/quote]

If things somehow shook out that we could move up to get Mike Adams in the 2nd, I'd go for that.

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Never had the sticker shock in the first place.

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[quote=Lotus;895392]Is anyone else feeling the sticker shock of the Griffin deal wearing off and pure joy arising from having a stud QB?[/quote]I don't think this trade changes the fact that the Redskins have been on pace to compete for the NFC East title in 2013. It might lower their chances to remain compeitive in 2014, 2015 (it also could raise their chances), etc. But I always anticipated them coming away with a [B]very good[/B] high first round player in this year's draft, and it certainly looks like they are going to prove that anticipation correct.

I don't know if I ever had sticker shock because the team had never convinced me it knew what it was doing before. So I wasn't like WHOA WHERE DID THOSE CAJONES COME FROM?!?!?! It was consistent with what we had seen from the Redskins before.

My first emotion when word of the trade was joy, and then the joy faded when it became obvious that the Redskins didn't pull of a great deal or better their team or anything. They just cashed in their chips in what I would call a calculated, though impatient, manner.

Free agency was always going to define the quality of their offseason IMO. So I'm definitely still taking a wait and see approach to grading this offseason because we don't know how well they've set the team up for the future yet.

Re: Redskins agree to trade for No.2 overall pick in 2012 Draft
 

[quote=Lotus;895392]Is anyone else feeling the sticker shock of the Griffin deal wearing off and pure joy arising from having a stud QB?[/quote]

This is where I'm at. I was shocked at what it cost, but it cost what it cost. We have a qb. Finally. It's going to be very exciting If nothing else.

Also, I have no photoshop skills, so it'll be a while before I get banned.

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[quote=simbosargos75;895405]Also, I have no photoshop skills, so it'll be a while before I get banned.[/quote]Oh, man that was good.

Re: Redskins agree to trade for No.2 overall pick in 2012 Draft
 

[quote=GTripp0012;895399]I don't think this trade changes the fact that the Redskins have been on pace to compete for the NFC East title in 2013. It might lower their chances to remain compeitive in 2014, 2015 (it also could raise their chances), etc. But I always anticipated them coming away with a [B]very good[/B] high first round player in this year's draft, and it certainly looks like they are going to prove that anticipation correct.

I don't know if I ever had sticker shock because the team had never convinced me it knew what it was doing before. So I wasn't like WHOA WHERE DID THOSE CAJONES COME FROM?!?!?! It was consistent with what we had seen from the Redskins before.

My first emotion when word of the trade was joy, and then the joy faded when it became obvious that the Redskins didn't pull of a great deal or better their team or anything. They just cashed in their chips in what I would call a calculated, though impatient, manner.

Free agency was always going to define the quality of their offseason IMO. So I'm definitely still taking a wait and see approach to grading this offseason because we don't know how well they've set the team up for the future yet.[/quote]

I really hope that they snag at least one of the top tier wide receivers for RG3 to throw to. Bowe or Jackson would be nice. I'm hearing noise that Shanny really wants VJax. I wasn't really thrilled about it at first. However, I just heard a story about VJax. Apparently, on a recent flight, VJax helped a disabled veteran from his seat to the airplane bathroom, and before the guy got off the plane, he went out of his way to give him an autograph. If that represents his character, then I'd welcome him on this team.

If they took RT at 4 it's just stupid.. Minnesota took ponder too high and hell they benched him for joe webb at one point last yr

Re: Redskins agree to trade for No.2 overall pick in 2012 Draft
 

[quote=Lotus;895392]Is anyone else feeling the sticker shock of the Griffin deal wearing off and pure joy arising from having a stud QB?[/quote]

RGIII was great in college but he hasnt taken a pro snap yet so he cant be called a stud yet.

[QUOTE=irish;895413]RGIII was great in college but he hasnt taken a pro snap yet so he cant be called a stud yet.[/QUOTE]

He's a stud athlete and we don't have many guys that scare defenses.. now we do, guys like Cam and Vick are nightmares for defenses. RG fits that category

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Thank you EarthQuake for keeping up the wallpaper, my wish came true. you can take it down now though bc we will have a real one shortly. Now we just have to get our man some protection and some weapons and it should be fun to watch!

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It's funny how there's several articles and posts that say the trade for the 2nd pick is [B][U]risky[/U][/B]. Gambles are considered risky by how much that can be potentially lost. What exactly can the redskins say they have right now that they would be losing?

They've been near the bottom of the division nearly every year. In order to turn things around they needed to take that chance and overpay. I consider it bold rather than risky.

[QUOTE=warriorzpath;895473]It's funny how there's several articles and posts that say the trade for the 2nd pick is [B][U]risky[/U][/B]. Gambles are considered risky by how much is can be potentially lost. What exactly can the redskins say the have right now that they would losing?

They've been near the bottom of the division nearly every year. In order to turn things around they needed to overpay. I consider it bold rather than risky.[/QUOTE]

I agree we have sucked for along time and haven't ever really had a QB that we would even think could be a franchise QB. Every player u pick is just a prospect. We took a chance for out QB, now let's see what happens.


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Re: Redskins agree to trade for No.2 overall pick in 2012 Draft
 

[QUOTE=Bubba305-ST21-;895416]Thank you EarthQuake for keeping up the wallpaper, my wish came true. you can take it down now though bc we will have a real one shortly. Now we just have to get our man some protection and some weapons and it should be fun to watch![/QUOTE]



I told you that I wouldn't let you down. Once I know his true number, I'll take it down.

Re: Redskins agree to trade for No.2 overall pick in 2012 Draft
 

Here's a thought...

Anyone have a thought that the Skins have contacted the Colts about their plans at #1?

Basically, if we KNOW they are taking Luck, then we can start getting all of the parameters in place for a contract before the draft, so RGIII can dive right into the playbook (just like Luck).

I mean, would the Colts share that info (if they are drafting Luck or RGIII) if Allen asks? What would keep them from talking and sharing that info?

Re: Redskins agree to trade for No.2 overall pick in 2012 Draft
 

[quote=Hail to the Redskins;895526]Here's a thought...

Anyone have a thought that the Skins have contacted the Colts about their plans at #1?

Basically, if we KNOW they are taking Luck, then we can start getting all of the parameters in place for a contract before the draft, so RGIII can dive right into the playbook (just like Luck).

I mean, would the Colts share that info (if they are drafting Luck or RGIII) if Allen asks? What would keep them from talking and sharing that info?[/quote]i don't see it being an issue, i believe he'll dive right in no matter

Re: Redskins agree to trade for No.2 overall pick in 2012 Draft
 

I'am glad we are getting RGIII, but has anyone heard if he has made any statements about comming to the Skins?

Re: Redskins agree to trade for No.2 overall pick in 2012 Draft
 

[quote=warriorzpath;895473]It's funny how there's several articles and posts that say the trade for the 2nd pick is [B][U]risky[/U][/B]. Gambles are considered risky by how much that can be potentially lost. What exactly can the redskins say they have right now that they would be losing?[/quote]Wins between 2012-2016?

The gamble is of course that you win more games as a function of having Robert Griffin play quarterback than you would with someone else (Ryan Tannehill) playing quarterback and with three declining free agents instead of three ascending draft picks (assuming 53 man rosters throughout).

You lose the gamble if Tannehill + 3 ascending players would have outperformed Griffin and three free agents who we wouldn't have needed if we had draft picks. You win the gamble if Griffin and whoever we sign to help Griffin wins more games than Tannehill and those picks would have.

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[quote=mitch e;895528]I'am glad we are getting RGIII, but has anyone heard if he has made any statements about comming to the Skins?[/quote]no, i haven't. he probably whispered sweet nothings into their ear at the combine

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[quote=GTripp0012;895531]Wins between 2012-2016?

The gamble is of course that you win more games as a function of having Robert Griffin play quarterback than you would with someone else (Ryan Tannehill) playing quarterback and with three declining free agents instead of three ascending draft picks (assuming 53 man rosters throughout).

You lose the gamble if Tannehill + 3 ascending players would have outperformed Griffin and three free agents who we wouldn't have needed if we had draft picks. You win the gamble if Griffin and whoever we sign to help Griffin wins more games than Tannehill and those picks would have.[/quote]

That's ultra-subjective though. Even though it's easier to say that Griffin/Tannehill more directly helped/hurt the Redskins/_____ team. It's so much more difficult to say anyone other than a QB directly made _____ team better.

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Taking our Redskins fan caps off for a minute, who is under more pressure by 2015, the Redskins and RGIII, the Browns or the Rams?

-Redskins gave 3 picks (2012 2nd, 2013 1st, 2014 1st) to move up for their QB of the future. Does he have to develop into a top 5-10 QB in the league for this trade to be a win? How about if he's playing at a high level but the levels of talent around him are substandard because of the 3 top level players they are giving up over the next 3 years?

-Browns didn't meet the demands for the pick.. If they go with McCoy or even Tannehill or Weeden in the late 1st and are back in the top 10 looking for a QB sometime in the next 4 years will they be ridiculed for not going strong enough?
-Rams got all the picks they wanted.. Don't they need to be a Super Bowl competitor in 2015 or so in order to call the trade a success for them? If they miss on even 2 of their upcoming 5 1st round picks over the next three years, those picks can impact the salary cap and the tendency to hold onto first rounders hoping they develop and miss out on suitable replacements.

Who's got the most pressure to perform? Redskins, Browns or Rams.

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Rams have zero pressure.
They didnt need to draft a QB this year and moved to the sixth pick where they will get a blue chip player of their choice.
Its nothing but win win for them.

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I say the Browns, because the fan base is pointing the finger directly at management for letting RG3 basically slip away, even though they had more firepower (more picks and Better picks) than we did.

If they continue losing, I see alot of the fanbase getting fed up with that squad, if they arent already.

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[quote=Lotus;895392]Is anyone else feeling the sticker shock of the Griffin deal wearing off and pure joy arising from having a stud QB?[/quote]

No, but I bet you are. As soon as I heard about the trade, I set about convincing myself of the "glass half full" mentality, which was fairly easy. I'd rather they pull a big gamble like this than settle for a combo of a retread like Orton and a second rate rookie like Cousins.

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[quote=Paintrain;895545]Taking our Redskins fan caps off for a minute, who is under more pressure by 2015, the Redskins and RGIII, the Browns or the Rams?

-Redskins gave 3 picks (2012 2nd, 2013 1st, 2014 1st) to move up for their QB of the future. Does he have to develop into a top 5-10 QB in the league for this trade to be a win? How about if he's playing at a high level but the levels of talent around him are substandard because of the 3 top level players they are giving up over the next 3 years?

-Browns didn't meet the demands for the pick.. If they go with McCoy or even Tannehill or Weeden in the late 1st and are back in the top 10 looking for a QB sometime in the next 4 years will they be ridiculed for not going strong enough?
-Rams got all the picks they wanted.. Don't they need to be a Super Bowl competitor in 2015 or so in order to call the trade a success for them? If they miss on even 2 of their upcoming 5 1st round picks over the next three years, those picks can impact the salary cap and the tendency to hold onto first rounders hoping they develop and miss out on suitable replacements.

Who's got the most pressure to perform? Redskins, Browns or Rams.[/quote]

Great question. From a FO and Fan perspective, its the Browns. They are notoriously unwilling to act from a risk perspective. Their Fans will and they should hold them most responsible if they dont win because they dont have the nuts to pull a deal like this.

From a Coaching and Player perspective, its Shannahan and RG3 for sure. All in on RG3. I will say this though, with the new CBA the financial risk for a RG3 is zilch, nada which is vastly differently from completing a trade like this a couple years ago. If RG3 fails, your not completely handcuffed by the picks and the money.

Rams have little pressure because of the fan base isnt as crazy as the Browns or Skins and they have multiple picks to share the blame, but with RG3 its just one guy (if things go south).

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[quote=Alvin Walton;895548]Rams have zero pressure.
They didnt need to draft a QB this year and moved to the sixth pick where they will get a blue chip player of their choice.
Its nothing but win win for them.[/quote]

Good point. Its kind of like they have the 4th pick in the draft after the two superstar QBs are off the board. They have a QB in place. But I wouldnt say that they have NO pressure, just not as much as the skins or browns. That being said, the skins play in a far tougher division, and every QB in the division is in the top half of the league in efficiency barring the skins and their rookie. The skins have a solid core around RG3, and with a few key FA pickups, I really dont see why we cannot challenge for the division title THIS year. Not having a turnover machine at the QB position and a defense with more experience can only improve the bottom line. I have faith that Shanahan will continue to make solid acquisitions during FA, and mold us into a SB contender not this season maybe, but definitely next year. As I am saying all this, I feel a sugar rush from all the koolaid Im chugging, let me take a seat for a minute!!!

Re: Redskins agree to trade for No.2 overall pick in 2012 Draft
 

[quote=Alvin Walton;895548]Rams have zero pressure.
They didnt need to draft a QB this year and moved to the sixth pick where they will get a blue chip player of their choice.
Its nothing but win win for them.[/quote]

So if in 2015 they are coming off of a 5-11 season and 2 of their first rounders are busts that's still a win? What responsibility or even expectation do they have to turn this 'bounty' into a contender?