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[quote=Mattyk;895150]Sorry you're not gonna make it[/quote]

Well geez matty the art could have been worth seeing...why not give him that 11th post then inflict ban ?! :cool-smil

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Just to be clear everyone...

The last 2 guys picked 6th in the 2nd Round were:
Ryan Williams - RB - Arizona
TJ Ward - S - Cleveland

Future Hall of Famers, right?

Also... how about these All-Pros selected in the top 10 of the 1st round from 2008 & 2009?:
'09 - Tyson Jackson - 1,3 - KC
'09 - Aaron Curry - 1,4 - Seattle (since traded due to lack of productivity)
'08 - Vernon Gholston - 1,6 - NYJ
'08 - Derrick Harvey - 1,8 - Jax (they released him in 2011)

.... Point is... why does everyone have to talk about the 3 picks we gave up as automatic All-Pro Hall of Fame talent??

Is there a good chance we gave up 3 NFL regulars?? Maybe... But sheesh. How come it seems like everyone forgets that 1st & 2nd round picks are not "locks"... until they are talking about RGIII himself? It irritates me... just saying.

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[quote=mooby;895552]No, but I bet you are. As soon as I heard about the trade, I set about convincing myself of the "glass half full" mentality, which was fairly easy. [B]I'd rather they pull a big gamble like this than settle for a combo of a retread like Orton and a second rate rookie like Cousins.[/B][/quote]

No doubt about that. I was stoked from the beginning for the player that we got and the ones we didn't get.

But the Griffin gamble to me is not "big" - it's "enormous," even "historic." It makes the Eli Manning trade look small.

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[quote=Mechanix544;895549]I say the Browns, because the fan base is pointing the finger directly at management for letting RG3 basically slip away, [B]even though they had more firepower (more picks and Better picks) than we did.
[/B]
If they continue losing, I see alot of the fanbase getting fed up with that squad, if they arent already.[/quote]

MAYBE, but the Rams were basically betting on the Redskins to continue to suck versus getting the Browns late round pick. The Skins 2nd rounder isn't vastly different from that second 1st rounder of the Browns.

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[quote=The Goat;895558]Well geez matty the art could have been worth seeing...why not give him that 11th post then inflict ban ?! :cool-smil[/quote]

I saw it, it wasn't worth it

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[quote=Alvin Walton;895548]Rams have zero pressure.
They didnt need to draft a QB this year and moved to the sixth pick where they will get a blue chip player of their choice.
Its nothing but win win for them.[/quote]

Precisely. In order for the Rams to "lose" in this trade RGIII must win a SB w/ the Redskins and Bradford never win them the big one. If both teams never reach the big game Rams come out ahead simply because they garnered substantial youth from the trade.

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[quote=Paintrain;895555]So if in 2015 they are coming off of a 5-11 season and 2 of their first rounders are busts that's still a win? What responsibility or even expectation do they have to turn this 'bounty' into a contender?[/quote]

Since its spread out over three years I doubt they will feel any pressure for quite a while.

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I actually just found out that RG3's number 1 deep threat, Kendall Wright ran a 4.61 at the combine at 5'10. I can only imagine what this guy could do with someone like Vincent Jackson.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;895666]I actually just found out that RG3's number 1 deep threat, Kendall Wright ran a 4.61 at the combine at 5'10. I can only imagine what this guy could do with someone like Vincent Jackson.[/quote]

4.6 in the 40 is a bit slow in my opinion. Griffin, without a doubt, will be able to get the ball down field to receivers with speed.

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[quote=Mattyk;895578]I saw it, it wasn't worth it[/quote]

Yeah I second that.

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[quote=Hail to the Redskins;895559]Just to be clear everyone...

The last 2 guys picked 6th in the 2nd Round were:
Ryan Williams - RB - Arizona
TJ Ward - S - Cleveland

Future Hall of Famers, right?

Also... how about these All-Pros selected in the top 10 of the 1st round from 2008 & 2009?:
'09 - Tyson Jackson - 1,3 - KC
'09 - Aaron Curry - 1,4 - Seattle (since traded due to lack of productivity)
'08 - Vernon Gholston - 1,6 - NYJ
'08 - Derrick Harvey - 1,8 - Jax (they released him in 2011)

.... Point is... why does everyone have to talk about the 3 picks we gave up as automatic All-Pro Hall of Fame talent??

Is there a good chance we gave up 3 NFL regulars?? Maybe... But sheesh. How come it seems like everyone forgets that 1st & 2nd round picks are not "locks"... until they are talking about RGIII himself? It irritates me... just saying.[/quote]

I personally find it amusing. On draft day: MAN WHAT A PICK, this guy is going to be a BEAST!

Contract expires, guy kind of wants to go somewhere else; "Good riddance. We didn't need him anyway."

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[quote=Paintrain;895545]Taking our Redskins fan caps off for a minute, who is under more pressure by 2015, the Redskins and RGIII, the Browns or the Rams?

-Redskins gave 3 picks (2012 2nd, 2013 1st, 2014 1st) to move up for their QB of the future. Does he have to develop into a top 5-10 QB in the league for this trade to be a win? How about if he's playing at a high level but the levels of talent around him are substandard because of the 3 top level players they are giving up over the next 3 years?

-Browns didn't meet the demands for the pick.. If they go with McCoy or even Tannehill or Weeden in the late 1st and are back in the top 10 looking for a QB sometime in the next 4 years will they be ridiculed for not going strong enough?
-Rams got all the picks they wanted.. Don't they need to be a Super Bowl competitor in 2015 or so in order to call the trade a success for them? If they miss on even 2 of their upcoming 5 1st round picks over the next three years, those picks can impact the salary cap and the tendency to hold onto first rounders hoping they develop and miss out on suitable replacements.

Who's got the most pressure to perform? Redskins, Browns or Rams.[/quote]I think the Redskins have the most pressure to perform, but I don't know if the Browns or Rams would be under more criticism if they failed. I think it's a good question. I suppose with the Rams, we could look at the Broncos with the Cutler trade and suggest that no one thinks Pat Bowlen is a bad owner or even that Brian Xanders is a bad GM because they blew those draft picks frivolously. The hammer pretty much fell on McDaniels, and to a lesser extent Kyle Orton.

The Browns probably deserve some criticism for where they are under Holmgren, but not for this. They made the percentage play. They won't be remembered as the team who didn't give up picks for Griffin any more than the Seahawks or Dolphins will. They will be lauded for their patience.

Their decision is whether to draft Ryan Tannehill and hope he saves their careers, or whether to draft Justin Blackmon and hope McCoy takes a big step forward. This is a very important offseason for the Browns, obviously, same as the Redskins. But Shurmur is in year two there, and probably isn't in a win-or-else scenario, though if his offense finds a way to get worse, he's probably gone.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;895543]That's ultra-subjective though. Even though it's easier to say that Griffin/Tannehill more directly helped/hurt the Redskins/_____ team. It's so much more difficult to say anyone other than a QB directly made _____ team better.[/quote]It is really subjective, at least the way I phrased it. I think you could probably put it more objectively, given more thought.

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The Redskins absolutely made the right move for the second pick.
RGIII is a player that Mike and Kyle can grow and coach from the start. This is a move Mike made for his son to have a future here. We all know Peyton Manning is not the future here. It takes balls to be good in this league, and we made the move needed to be successfull.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;895699]The Redskins absolutely made the right move for the second pick.
RGIII is a player that Mike and Kyle can grow and coach from the start. This is a move Mike made for his son to have a future here. We all know Peyton Manning is not the future here. It takes balls to be good in this league, and we made the move needed to be successfull.[/quote]

I agree, some say "well what if he's a bust?" Well we never would know until u try , whats the worst that can happen? The skins suck for another 4-5 years, shit we're used to that anyway. I didn't like all the picks but I LOVE getting RGIII so it's worth it

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[quote=skinsfaninok;895704]I agree, some say "well what if he's a bust?" Well we never would know until u try , whats the worst that can happen? The skins suck for another 4-5 years, shit we're used to that anyway. I didn't like all the picks but I LOVE getting RGIII so it's worth it[/quote]i'm right there with you

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What in the he!!??

[YT]cn-OItJVf9M[/YT]

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At worst, you have a.....Very Bright Michael Vick. At best, you have a Very talented Steve Young.
I can live on the difference......

Re: Redskins agree to trade for No.2 overall pick in 2012 Draft
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;895704]I agree, some say "well what if he's a bust?" Well we never would know until u try , whats the worst that can happen? The skins suck for another 4-5 years, shit we're used to that anyway. I didn't like all the picks but I LOVE getting RGIII so it's worth it[/quote]

I'm glad we got him too. But just be prepared for some growing pains and possibly another 5-11 season.... and the rams getting a top ten pick from us.

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[quote=skinsfan69;895773]I'm glad we got him too. But just be prepared for some growing pains and possibly another 5-11 season.... and the rams getting a top ten pick from us.[/quote]

I think its a good thing we went for RG3. I heard the Colt McCoy trade was getting too expensive for the redskins.

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Yeah, rumor was Browns wanted Nick Sundberg as well. And we were like Awwww hellllzzzz no

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[quote=Hog1;895772]At worst, you have a.....Very Bright Michael Vick. At best, you have a Very talented Steve Young.
I can live on the difference......[/quote]

Nice, if not hopeful, way of putting it Hog1.

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[quote=The Goat;895920]Nice, [B]if not hopeful[/B], way of putting it Hog1.[/quote]
It will be fun.....
We have been way to long in the not enough in the fun department.

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[quote=iamsrk;895796]I think its a good thing we went for RG3. I heard the Colt McCoy trade was getting too expensive for the redskins.[/quote]

Your secret is out, Shah Rukh Khan! aka iamsrk. Also, kudos for sticking with the McCoy story all the way until the end.

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[quote=Hog1;895925]It will be fun.....
We have been way to long in the not enough in the fun department.[/quote]

Word. One of my guys in the office is a bigtime Cowboys fan and he follows college sports way more than I do...he's def worried for what it's worth!

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[quote=SmootSmack;895769]What in the he!!??

[YT]cn-OItJVf9M[/YT][/quote]



You ain't lieing What In The HELL.

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Interesting [URL="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/peter_king/03/12/freeagency/1.html"]read[/URL].

If this is true, it's a very honest approach to dealing with possible trade suitors... not sure this method ensures the maximum return the Rams could have had, but Snead was honest nonetheless.

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[quote=SmootSmack;895769]What in the he!!??

[YT]cn-OItJVf9M[/YT][/quote]

I want that 4:16 of my life back.

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Who is that and why is that video on here?


Anyway, I have been at the race track since Thursday. Not much in the way of time to get on the internet let alone the forum.

I really don't know how I feel about the deal in all honesty. I do know I feel like giving up 3 1sts and this years #2, to move up four spots in the draft to the #2 overall pick seems A L O T to me.

I do know we will get one of two QBs. Either RGIII or Luck if Indy goes with aforementioned RGIII.

I honestly can't make up my mind on how I feel about RGIII as our QB. I get excited about what he may do and the photo of RGIII that Quake posted holding the Lombardi in a Redskins UNI pops into my head. BUT then the harsh reality of every other drafted Redskins QB that I had high hopes for in the past pops into my head, and the harsh reality that it has become to be a Skins fan.

I would love for the move to work out, but I do know that what MS and BA have done is give away the last two years of their deals 1st round draft picks. They are willing to risk their jobs on one of two guys. Which in all likely hood will be RGIII. I hope RGIII is better in MS's eyes then Jay Cutler was. If not there will be a new HC and offense for him to learn from.

For this to work it has to be MS, KS, Haslett, and BA all working together to build this team into a perennial contender for the division and the SB. There has to be progress towards those goals again and I hope this move gets us closer.

I was in the minority (according to the polling) that wanted Manning and a rookie. I can get behind the kid, but I need to see what he's got in the NFL before I will be comfortable with this trade.

This move is seen to me as a huge gamble, but from my POV I have no reference other than what I hear on the radio or TV. Alot of fluff and promotion of certain players and the media "falls in love" with players. I watched the kid some in his bowl game and he was unimpressive at times. When you are giving up 3 other possible 50% hit or miss players for one 50% possible hit or miss player the odds of winning are low.

Of course now are these reports of the cap hit the next two years, some combination of 36mil. Nothing at this time is confirmed to being communicated to the Redskins.

That could effect the success of RGIII early in his career, and hopefully it is not a long term effect. Of course this may be being reported prematurely with the actual number unknown and not so severe. That is a different topic, but the result of that ruling could have a long term effect on his career.

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We gave up 2 1sts not 3.

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Y'all don't remember Darkerien??

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[quote=SmootSmack;895769]What in the he!!??

[YT]cn-OItJVf9M[/YT][/quote]

I'm going to quote this video because every one else is, in spite of the fact I haven't watched it.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;896788]Y'all don't remember Darkerien??[/QUOTE]



No, I don't.

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[QUOTE=Dirtbag59;896790]I'm going to quote this video because every one else is, in spite of the fact I haven't watched it.[/QUOTE]



I hear that video is already generating Oscar buzz.

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SS - Nope. thanks for answering.

I know we gave up 3 1ts and a Second to get a 1st. 4-1 = 3.

That is all you got out of that. Tell me where you are reading when I didn't properly communicate that I didn't understand that.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;896790]I'm going to quote this video because every one else is, in spite of the fact I haven't watched it.[/quote]

If you value your brain cells, dont watch it.

At least he seems to have found something to do after football...

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3 1sts given 1 1st returning that's 2 1sts

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I know that but it is still three extra picks. You are talking about a high second round pick. We saw how excited we are all for Jenkins. There will be a player there that could make just as much of an impact as a 1st.

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Or that 2nd could be Roger McIntosh.

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or FD ( shut up dont mention the ST genius that is Devin Thomas nor the oft injured MK )