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This should happen immediately (pasted and modified from another board usually inferior to this one):

1. Fire Haslett.

2. Fire Smith.

3. Get the WRs on the jugs machines.

4. Get the WRs on the jugs machines.

5. Watch tape and figure out who in our secondary doesn't start next week.

6. Bench Riley.

7. Royster, don't count on playing much if Helu's healthy, unless you get your act together.

8. Kyle, I know the drops hurt, but the past two games have still been pretty bad.

9. DL and OL, watch tape and see if anyone needs to sit next to Polumbus on the bench for awhile. Otherwise you guys and Rg3, sorry the rest of the team let you down.

10. Danny Snyder, you know what would make this season the perfect clusterflop? Firing Shanahan even if this season doesn't turn around. Nobody will want to coach here except a Jim Zorn type, and we don't have a team that made the playoffs last season like Zorn did.

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[quote=skinsfan69;960715]Are you watching the same team I am? What talent?[/quote]

If you truly believe this team to have no talent, it's a bigger indictment of the regime than I make. Do you realize this?

Where we lack talent offensively is at RT. The sputtering offense is a direct result of really, really poor coaching. We are totally predictable at this point. The other big issue is whether our pass catchers continue to trust the Shanahans. Mike/Kyle's inability or refusal to spread the field and create space for our pass-catchers, thereby constantly putting them in the position to get destroyed at the point of the catch, is the most bizarre thing I've seen for a long time in pro football. It's weirder than the Tebow nonsense, but because it only involves a couple coaches nobody takes serious there just isn't a lot of attention given.

Defensively, this group as it stands today could be middle of the pack. Not great, certainly not elite. But middle of the pack. Poor scheme (the 3-4), poor play-calling and really poor adjustments are the difference.

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[quote=NC_Skins;960737]Zorn never had 6 quality starters out due to injury either. That's a lot of production gone.[/quote]

You never use injuries as an excuse. Shanahi regime is under .350 winning percentage. Sounds like hall of fame numbers. I had a .375!

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[quote=TheSmurfs22;960747]I am not sold on baby boy Kyle. He should be seriously evaluated at the end of the season.[/quote]
Agree with your observation, but let's be realistic Shannahan is not going to fire his son, period.

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[quote=The Goat;960760]If you truly believe this team to have no talent, it's a bigger indictment of the regime than I make. Do you realize this?

Where we lack talent offensively is at RT. The sputtering offense is a direct result of really, really poor coaching. We are totally predictable at this point. The other big issue is whether our pass catchers continue to trust the Shanahans. Mike/Kyle's inability or refusal to spread the field and create space for our pass-catchers, thereby constantly putting them in the position to get destroyed at the point of the catch, is the most bizarre thing I've seen for a long time in pro football. It's weirder than the Tebow nonsense, but because it only involves a couple coaches nobody takes serious there just isn't a lot of attention given.

Defensively, this group as it stands today could be middle of the pack. Not great, certainly not elite. But middle of the pack. Poor scheme (the 3-4), poor play-calling and really poor adjustments are the difference.[/quote]

Goat we lack talent in several areas...RT, WR, D-line, LB, and the entire secondary...oh yeah, the coaching sucks. This is 4-6 win talent. Name any of our players that are top 5 at their position? Maybe Trent Williams and that's probably it.

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You know, this subject may want to be revisited at the end of the season. This team still has the look of an under coached team. The penalties are simply discipline. As much as I want this crew to work out. There are problems with this team and they are not solely because of talent.

Also the whole this play worked once so let's run it again, isn't so great when the defense knows it and stuffs the second play. The offense is regressing.

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I voted to fire Shanny now, granted I am extremely ticked off after going through this gut wrenching 3 game losing streak. Thankful for the bye week so that I won't have to suffer through another loss. If this team losses another 10+ games this year I don't see how Shannahan can survive, this is the NFL after all, as Glanville once said (Not For Long).

Payton is going to Dallas, he lives there and he wants to coach there

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[quote=DirtBagZ;960765]Agree with your observation, but let's be realistic Shannahan is not going to fire his son, period.[/quote]

Provided that is true its another reason he never should have been hired.
This blows.....

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[quote=skinsfaninok;960776]Payton is going to Dallas, he lives there and he wants to coach there[/quote]

Makes sense.

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[quote=HailGreen28;960759]This should happen immediately (pasted and modified from another board usually inferior to this one):

1. Fire Haslett.

2. Fire Smith.

3. Get the WRs on the jugs machines.

4. Get the WRs on the jugs machines.

5. Watch tape and figure out who in our secondary doesn't start next week.

6. Bench Riley.

7. Royster, don't count on playing much if Helu's healthy, unless you get your act together.

8. Kyle, I know the drops hurt, but the past two games have still been pretty bad.

9. DL and OL, watch tape and see if anyone needs to sit next to Polumbus on the bench for awhile. Otherwise you guys and Rg3, sorry the rest of the team let you down.

10. Danny Snyder, you know what would make this season the perfect clusterflop? [B][I]Firing Shanahan even if this season doesn't turn around. Nobody will want to coach here except a Jim Zorn type, [/I][/B]and we don't have a team that made the playoffs last season like Zorn did.[/quote]

Absolutely wrong, Son. Many a coach will want to coach the uber talent known as RG3. Not Many coaches are as inefficient as an aging and overrated Mike Shanahan "lets hire our family" regime, during which time should his OCoordinator screw up, there is NO way he would hold him accountable for letting a rook continually bail his sorry ass out week after week. The only reason we are not 1-9 IS RG3, and you better believe that son, cause the rest of our team hasn't really done ANYTHING to prove otherwise. There is not a coach out there I don't think that wouldn't want an owner willing to spend, and a once in a lifetime talent like RG3. No way you could convince me otherwise, but this is a convo board, so please try.

I want Andy Reid. That's right I said Andy Reid if he's fired.

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Fire Shanahan, don't fire Shanahan...does it really matter?

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[quote=Coff;960787]Fire Shanahan, don't fire Shanahan...does it really matter?[/quote]
This season is over, it will be a miracle if the team finishes 7-9. After this season it does matter. Obviously the Alfred Morris pick was huge, but how many running backs is Shanahan going to draft each year? With all of the other holes on the team what is the fascination with drafting so many RBs?

You look at the NY Giants in the 2005 Draft the only had [B]four[/B] draft picks

2nd Round (43 selection) Correy Webster DB
3rd Round (74 selection) Justin Tuck DE
4th Round (110 selection) Brandon Jacobs RB
6th Round (186 selection) Eric Moore DE

Three of those four were solid hits, Tuck obviously being a big time stud.

The Skins just don't seem to hit on their drafts like that, period, which is why the team is where it is record wise.

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[quote=Mechanix544;960785]Absolutely wrong, Son. Many a coach will want to coach the uber talent known as RG3. Not Many coaches are as inefficient as an aging and overrated Mike Shanahan "lets hire our family" regime, during which time should his OCoordinator screw up, there is NO way he would hold him accountable for letting a rook continually bail his sorry ass out week after week. The only reason we are not 1-9 IS RG3, and you better believe that son, cause the rest of our team hasn't really done ANYTHING to prove otherwise. There is not a coach out there I don't think that wouldn't want an owner willing to spend, and a once in a lifetime talent like RG3. No way you could convince me otherwise, but this is a convo board, so please try.[/quote]The "Son" part I take offense to. You should retract that, especially if you act too young to remember what a joke the coaching search was that led to Jim Zorn being hired, then promoted to HC not that long ago. After Snyder ditched Fassel and nobody else would come here.

The agreement to fire Cerrato changed perception of Snyder enough to bring in Shanny. Firing him at the end of this season just sends the message that Snyder really hasn't changed since.

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You can fire shanahan all you want but it doesn't solve anything immediately. And being how impatient skins fans are, we'll want the 'new' HC fired by the end of the first season.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;960776]Payton is going to Dallas, he lives there and he wants to coach there[/quote]
Not unless he wants to be Jerra's....Bitch.
Not like a....Real HC gig.

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[quote=Hog1;960810]Not unless he wants to be Jerra's....Bitch.
Not like a....Real HC gig.[/quote]Not saying Garret is better, but thought Jerrah loves Garret and would bring Payton in as an OC? Or am I totally wrong about the current state of Jerry-land? I try not to look there much.

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The NFL voided Sean Payton's contract extension making him a free agent after this season. I wouldn't mind seeing him replace Shanny.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;960807]You can fire shanahan all you want but it doesn't solve anything immediately. And being how impatient skins fans are, we'll want the 'new' HC fired by the end of the first season.[/quote]

And here is the new reason. Fire him now, and nothing will happen for another 5 years. Ya, tell that shit to Chuck Pagano walkin. He took a 1-15 team, and they are now 5-3 on a 3 game streak. The team they beat today, the dolphins, have a better record than us in a much tougher division. They are 4-4.

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[quote=Mechanix544;960815]And here is the new reason. Fire him now, and nothing will happen for another 5 years. Ya, tell that shit to Chuck Pagano walkin. He took a 1-15 team, and they are now 5-3 on a 3 game streak. The team they beat today, the dolphins, have a better record than us in a much tougher division. They are 4-4.[/quote]

Colts are a great organization. They know what to do, who to get, who to draft, who needs to go. I've been saying for years that this franchise is cursed because when something looks great or right or perfect, we manage to find away to lose that or get rid of it or it gets hurt (or killed; RIP ST).

A person from the future could go and tell us "Here are 4 people; 3 of them are going to take a team to the super bowl, and one of them isn't; pick one." And we would manage to get that one coach that doesn't.

I still say, let shanahan play out his contract. We have 2 more years of him. Thats 2 more years of improving he can do. Now of course its hard for him to improve a team with no first rounder for the next 2 years, but that 'great' coach you all are looking for, is going to go through the same circumstances.

This team just got beat last week by a playoff caliber, always great franchise, in the Steelers and we lost a tough, mostly boring, game today to the panthers, a similar team to us.

Now at the end of the year Haslett must leave, and I believe that will solve a major problem on our defense, because Haslett can't scheme or adjust.

We need to draft depth and defense this year.

And we need to go after similar positions in FA.

Its a slump guys we've lost some games and now everyone wants to point the finger at the HC when their are bigger more obvious issues on this team.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;960827]Colts are a great organization. They know what to do, who to get, who to draft, who needs to go. I've been saying for years that this franchise is cursed because when something looks great or right or perfect, we manage to find away to lose that or get rid of it or it gets hurt (or killed; RIP ST).

A person from the future could go and tell us "Here are 4 people; 3 of them are going to take a team to the super bowl, and one of them isn't; pick one." And we would manage to get that one coach that doesn't.

[B]I still say, let shanahan play out his contract. We have 2 more years of him. Thats 2 more years of improving he can do. Now of course its hard for him to improve a team with no first rounder for the next 2 years, [/B]but that 'great' coach you all are looking for, is going to go through the same circumstances.

This team just got beat last week by a playoff caliber, always great franchise, in the Steelers and we lost a tough, mostly boring, game today to the panthers, a similar team to us.

Now at the end of the year Haslett must leave, and I believe that will solve a major problem on our defense, because Haslett can't scheme or adjust.

We need to draft depth and defense this year.

And we need to go after similar positions in FA.

Its a slump guys we've lost some games and now everyone wants to point the finger at the HC when their are bigger more obvious issues on this team.[/quote]
This is a really good point. For the "fire" crowd you want to bring in a new coach with a new system with no first round picks the next two seasons to build with. That's brilliant.

This thread is pointless because Shanahan isn't going anywhere until his contract is out, unless it is of his choosing. Drafting RGIII locked in 2013, nobody is getting fired offensively and risking screwing up the best thing this franchise has had since Sammy Baugh. There will be significant changes on the staff but those wanting a new head coach will be sorely disappointed.

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[quote=HailGreen28;960813]Not saying Garret is better, but thought Jerrah loves Garret and would bring Payton in as an OC? Or am I totally wrong about the current state of Jerry-land? I try not to look there much.[/quote]

Don't know...problem is Jerry "Straw Bosses" the team and makes way to many Coach like moves and demands...
I would be surprised if that would interest a guy who has had the success that SP has had....

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[quote=Hog1;960835]Don't know...problem is Jerry "Straw Bosses" the team and makes way to many Coach like moves and demands...
I would be surprised if that would interest a guy who has had the success that SP has had....[/quote]Yeah. I think that kind of thing would drive people away there or here. Sean Payton suspended this year regardless, and it's not clear whether he's under contract in NO in 2013, right?

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^ I'm glad you see what I'm saying, now if only I can get more people here to understand that.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/washington-redskins-how-daniel-snyder-found-his-man-in-mike-shanahan/2011/09/07/gIQA1D0oIK_story.html]Washington Redskins: How Daniel Snyder found his man in Mike Shanahan - The Washington Post[/url]

This article will help. This shows you how far and to what great lengths Dan Snyder went to get Mike Shanahan a coach he really wanted. I can only think of Gibbs as the other guy that Snyder had to have. And if you all remember, we had down years with Gibbs, especially after our 'good' year. And if you remember Gibbs left on his own terms with a contract that had a year left and a team that just went to the playoffs. Snyder knows that he has a super bowl winning coach in Shanahan. Sure shanahan hasn't gotten us to the playoffs but he hasn't had a QB or defense or both here. Gibbs always had a defense. Gibbs was here 4 years. Shanahan 3. Gibbs appeared in the playoffs 2 times. His defense was top 12 both times. Shanahan hasn't had that. Shanahan also had a worthless McNabb, Rex Grossman, and John Beck as his QB when he did have a good defense. Now he has a great QB and no defense.

Its simple; Give him his 2 years he has left on his contract, and let him play it out. If he doesn't get us to the playoffs in those 2 years, he's a failed HC experiment for us. If not don't resign him and get a new guy

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[quote=Counter-Tre;960814]The NFL voided Sean Payton's contract extension making him a free agent after this season. I wouldn't mind seeing him replace Shanny.[/quote]

id help pack Shanny's bag to get Sean Payton

[QUOTE=The Goat;960729]The funny thing is I don't feel like those of us who see the Shanahan era for what it really is are ahead of the curve so to speak. The results are so obvious, the poor coaching so flagrant, I think this is a rare phenomenon where you have people becoming fans of a person over a team. Sort of like a cult of personality in political/historical terms.

But there's plenty of mystery to go around. Mike shows nothing on or off the field to engender, let alone deserve, a cult of personality. What I'm really starting to wonder is if the cult mentality exists outside TWP, or if most fans elsewhere are seeing things clearly already?

It's tough for me to gauge cuz there just aren't a lot of Skins fans out west.[/QUOTE]

Had these same thoughts today and was asking skins fans at the bar what they thought. Most seemed to not care they just wanted wins - but your rite people on this site are putting Shanny ahead of the team. Or they dont want to admit he is failing because than we have to start over. But the
Quickest way to the rite track is to get off the wrong one as soon as you realize your on it. Some of us know already. Others are realizing by the week.


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[quote=Chico23231;960839]id help pack Shanny's bag to get Sean Payton[/quote]

Sean Payton would never come here. Parcels disciple, Jerry Jones allie. Don't waste the bandwidth with the discussion.

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[quote=punch it in;960851]Had these same thoughts today and was asking skins fans at the bar what they thought. Most seemed to not care they just wanted wins - but your rite [B]people on this site are putting Shanny ahead of the team[/B]. Or they dont want to admit he is failing because than we have to start over. But the
Quickest way to the rite track is to get off the wrong one as soon as you realize your on it. Some of us know already. Others are realizing by the week.


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You guys can see it whatever way you want, but you're wrong.

I really have no vested interest in Shanahan as a coach or person. I just don't think blowing it all up and starting over with god knows who is necessarily the better way. There's no guarantees either way.

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This is why I say Shanahan should not have been hired in the first place. He's not the right coach for this organization/fan base.

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[quote=SmootSmack;960865]This is why I say Shanahan should not have been hired in the first place. [B]He's not the right coach for this organization/fan base.[/B][/quote]

Other than Gibbs... who is?

That said I recall plenty of folks not being big fans of Gibbs 2.0. Remember the "he backed into the playoffs twice" stuff?

Unless someone can come in here and turn things around on a dime and do no wrong, we're always going to hear the same crap.

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[quote=SmootSmack;960865]This is why I say Shanahan should not have been hired in the first place. He's not the right coach for this organization/fan base.[/quote]

You are right. Same goes for all the other retreads, Gruden, Cower,etc. the redskins needed someone like Harbaugh.

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;960865]This is why I say Shanahan should not have been hired in the first place. He's not the right coach for this organization/fan base.[/QUOTE]

Well according to the poll most of us love him.


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[QUOTE=Mattyk;960867]Other than Gibbs... who is?

That said I recall plenty of folks not being big fans of Gibbs 2.0. Remember the "he backed into the playoffs twice" stuff?

Unless someone can come in here and turn things around on a dime and do no wrong, we're always going to hear the same crap.[/QUOTE]

Big difference between winning more than 5/6 games a year and "doing no wrong". Nobody expects superbowls every year I just want to be relevant once during the holidays. Thats always a treat.


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Honestly I felt strongly in 2008 that Jim Fassel was exactly what this team needed. Or Mike Sherman. I think someone who's already been a coach but is looking for a second chance to get his first ring would be ideal.

Oh well, we all know who our next coach is anyway

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[quote=punch it in;960870][B]Well according to the poll most of us love him.
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Really? Would you mind pointing out anyone who has stated or indicated anywhere in this thread, they Love Shanahan?
The majority in the poll are just bright enough to understand that the constant...torching and "rebuilding" of the Team/Coaching staff is a recipe for more of the same.....

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;960874]Honestly I felt strongly in 2008 that Jim Fassel was exactly what this team needed. Or Mike Sherman. I think someone who's already been a coach but is looking for a second chance to get his first ring would be ideal.

Oh well, we all know who our next coach is anyway[/QUOTE]

Spurrier 2.0? He was already a coach and wants a ring? Fun n Gun anybody?


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[quote=punch it in;960872]Big difference between winning more than 5/6 games a year and "doing no wrong". Nobody expects superbowls every year I just want to be relevant once during the holidays. Thats always a treat.


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Gibbs gave us that and plenty weren't happy with it.

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[quote=punch it in;960870]Well according to the poll most of us love him.


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You're doing exactly what you accuse everyone else of, taking things to the extreme.

[QUOTE=Hog1;960876]Really? Would you mind pointing out anyone who has stated or indicated anywhere in this thread, they Love Shanahan?
The majority in the poll are just bright enough to understand that the constant...torching and "rebuilding" of the Team/Coaching staff is a recipe for more of the same.....[/QUOTE]

Oh come on, all the great things he has done? The amount of times i have heard how much better off we are than three years ago? The constant referincing to the 20th century Super Bowls? Coaches change all the time in every major sport. They succeed or they fail. It isnt the "changing" that leads to the same old shit its the "wrong decisions" that lead to the same old shit. Bound to land a solid coach eventually. Hoped Shanny would work out. He isnt. He wont. If we win 6 or less i say thats that.


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