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The reality with Quinn is he was the benefactor of a pro style offense, with an offensive guru guiding him, and the offense to success, that is why teams passed on him, Quinn is not the second coming of any known great QB, this is not a player who's going to put a team on his back. He should look for a big pay day before the book is out on him, I don't think he will be any thing special.

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[quote=GTripp0012;336136]Still, I'm shocked that Campbell's deal wasn't leaps and bounds better than Rodgers'.[/quote]

It's simple. It doesn't matter whether someone moved up to get you or not. Look at history. Campbell didn't get a better deal than Rodgers because Rodgers got picked one spot before him.

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The Browns hold all the cards here. NFL Network reported that Quinn did not look very good in the OTA's and minincamps. They said that Derek Anderson was the best QB out of the three. So chances are Quinn isn't even going to start, even if he gets to camp on time.

Since he was picked so late in the 1st round he has no leverage. Get your ass in camp or shut up.

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[quote=GTripp0012;336136]Yeah, totally slipped my mind.

Even still, the price on Quinn was still significantly higher than the price on JC, trading up from the 2nd round as opposed to swapping a pick from one year to the next. And I also think that the fact that the Browns traded up [B]specifically[/B] to get Quinn whereas the Skins wanted to target a QB at 25 (and made the trade 3 weeks prior to the draft) definately seperates the value even further.

Still, I'm shocked that Campbell's deal wasn't leaps and bounds better than Rodgers'.[/quote]

The Skins didn't just swap a pick from one year to the next, we gave up that years 3rd and the following years 1st and 4th.

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he probably will be the next tim couch, so he needs all the guaranteed money he can get.

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It's pretty simple, the kid was a #22 drafted QB overall in the 1st round. That's it. He should be paid accordingly to that pick and length of contract, no more or less.

If he think's in his own mind he should have gone top 10 and recieve that type cash, well then reality set's in, he didn't.

If he doesn't like the deal and where he was picked in the draft TUFF SHIT, he's gonna end up ridding the pine. The best thing the kid can do for himself is sign a fair deal for his #22 late round draft spot and get to work.

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Gotta go with the majority opinion on this page at least. Brady Quinn better get as much money as he can right now. Can anyone say "Jake Plummer Light" as in that would be his upside if he could develop into a watered down version of Plummer. The downside is playing out before our eyes. He is going to get burried on the depth chart and instead of working on his game and going to the film room he will be spending most of his time counting his loot Rod Strickland style.

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[quote=GTripp0012;336137]But then they would have a QB that isn't really a NFL prospect instead of a potential franchise cornerstone. That's a lot worse.[/quote]
How is that worse? Why is he a potential franchise cornerstone, and Troy Smith isn't? Is it because he played for Charlie Wiess? The guy hasn't won squat! It's not too difficult to play that cupcake ND schedule and put up numbers. Troy Smith is a winner, and a hometown kid who wanted to go to Cleveland. He would be in camp.
As I recall, Ryan Leaf was a potential franchise cornerstone too.

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pay like the 22nd pick becuase that is what he was picked as, he does not deserve anymore or anyless. That seams pretty fair in my book he could have gone a lot farther if the browns had not taken him. I think he should feel lucky that he got picked at all in the first round becuase for a little while I really thought he might go in the 2nd.

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[quote=Crat92;336300]How is that worse? Why is he a potential franchise cornerstone, and Troy Smith isn't? Is it because he played for Charlie Wiess? The guy hasn't won squat! It's not too difficult to play that cupcake ND schedule and put up numbers. Troy Smith is a winner, and a hometown kid who wanted to go to Cleveland. He would be in camp.
As I recall, Ryan Leaf was a potential franchise cornerstone too.[/quote]Quinn's going to be good. I think he'll be very good. Some think he'll never reach the pro bowl level, and thats more than reasonable. But I have to question your knowledge of the game if you are comparing Brady Quinn to Ryan Leaf. There are no similarities.

You're essentially saying that the last pick of the 5th round is a better prospect than a guy who up until 3 days before the draft was neck and neck for the first pick. As the saying goes "you're off your rocker!"

Do I know for certain that Troy Smith won't be the next Donovan McNabb? No, I do not. Can I be more than reasonably sure that he's not the prospect Quinn is? Yes, yes I can.

And what's with this "winner" crap? Are you saying that if the Ravens put Troy Smith in at QB, they will automatically beat up on teams like Ohio State did because...Troy Smith has an aura?! Dude, that's non-analysis at its best.

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I will say this. Troy Smith was every bit as good a college QB as Brady Quinn, if not better. What does Brady Quinn do better than Troy Smith?

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[quote=skinsfan69;336326]I will say this. Troy Smith was every bit as good a college QB as Brady Quinn, if not better. What does Brady Quinn do better than Troy Smith?[/quote]


Well, that's a entirely different argument right there. But in a nutshell, just from a physical standpoint, Brady is more of a pro-style quarterback than Troy Smith.

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brady is more ready to play in the pros than troy smith. Only thing smith has that brady doesnt is alot more mobilty.

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[quote=skinsfan69;336326]I will say this. Troy Smith was every bit as good a college QB as Brady Quinn, if not better. What does Brady Quinn do better than Troy Smith?[/quote]Has height, unlike Smith. Is a good NFL prospect, unlike Smith.

Troy Smith had a better 2006 season than Quinn and deserved the Heismann. But when comparing their careers, its not even close. Brady Quinn was better in every season prior to 2006 than Smith. Every one. That's called sample size.

It's reasonable to say if the 2006 NCAA season was done over again, Quinn would probably have the better season. When theres only 13 games to be played, anything can happen.

I think part of the reason Smith wasn't a great prospect was because it was, ya know, too little too late. One great season does not a prospect make. Ask Akili Smith.

The first team that was willing to even spend a pick on him was Baltimore with the last pick in the 5th round. At that point, hes a great value. But as they say, you get what you pay for (most of the time).

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The NFL is a very weird place. I mean JaMarcus Russell was the #1 pick and he only played two seasons at LSU. It's all about intangibles and potential and I'm afraid both Quinn and Smith are lacking in that department. Particularity Smith because of his odd throwing style and height. As for Quinn, he's all hype rubber stamped with ND logo.

Only time will tell who's going to be a decent NFL QB.

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[quote=GTripp0012;336373]Has height, unlike Smith. Is a good NFL prospect, unlike Smith.

Troy Smith had a better 2006 season than Quinn and deserved the Heismann. But when comparing their careers, its not even close. Brady Quinn was better in every season prior to 2006 than Smith. Every one. That's called sample size.

It's reasonable to say if the 2006 NCAA season was done over again, Quinn would probably have the better season. When theres only 13 games to be played, anything can happen.

I think part of the reason Smith wasn't a great prospect was because it was, ya know, too little too late. One great season does not a prospect make. Ask Akili Smith.

The first team that was willing to even spend a pick on him was Baltimore with the last pick in the 5th round. At that point, hes a great value. But as they say, you get what you pay for (most of the time).[/quote]

So why is Quinn better? Just cause he threw it all over the place does not make him better. He just played in a pass heavy offense.

Is Quinn a better pro prospect becasue he is 6'3? That does not make him better, just taller.. From what I saw, Smith can make every throw Quinn can make. OSU ran lots of spread formations, 4-5 WR sets and Smith was making all the NFL throws from the pocket. So again, why is he being downgraded by scouts? Is it because of his height? If so that is ridicules.

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[quote=CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR;336337]brady is more ready to play in the pros than troy smith. Only thing smith has that brady doesnt is alot more mobilty.[/quote]

Did you watch any OSU games the last two years? The guy was one of the best QB's in the country. He played in a spread offense and made all the throws. So how is Quinn more ready? Because of Weiss? I think it's a bunch of hype. Time will tell.

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yea also he had a great defense that put him a postion to succeed. Brady didnt. Yes time will tell. Brady will be in the NFL longer than troy smith. Also he shorter and his arm is not as good as brady.

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[quote=CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR;336399]yea also he had a great defense that put him a postion to succeed. Brady didnt. Yes time will tell. Brady will be in the NFL longer than troy smith. Also he shorter and his arm is not as good as brady.[/quote]


Brady has an arm? That's news to me.

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[quote=saden1;336419][B]Brady has an arm? That's news to me[/B].[/quote]

lol
Quinn will be good ONE DAY....

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guess we will see. Quinn will be ok. I would rather have him than smith.

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Ya I guess I would rather have Quinn than Smith but I like Troy Smith. His athletiscism is AWESOME, he's just a little short. He's listed a 6 feet but he looks about 5'9"-5'10". Its hard for him to throw in the pocket because he cant see over his linemen. Outside the pocket the guy is the shiz.

Tough choice. Maybe Troy will RANDOMLY get 6 inches taller. lol

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very true Vicks good on the move too. But to play QB you have to be able to throw the ball downfield. Smith size will unfortually hurt him in the long run.

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[quote=CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR;336434]very true Vicks good on the move too. But to play QB you have to be able to throw the ball downfield. Smith size will unfortually hurt him in the long run.[/quote]


Exactly. Couldnt have said it better myself. I just think he has too much promise and potential to pass on. In a EXTREMELY run heavy system with a good running back (i.e. Chargers, LT) he could be effective I guess. Lots of PA and Bootlegs, QB Draws. Kinda like Vick is. The Falcons were willing to try and mold a team AROUND Vick. I think if Troy found someone that liked him THAT much, he would be great.

Lots of if's there. lol

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lets hope we hit on Palmer so we can get rid of brunell or collins or in a dream world both of them lol,.

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[quote=CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR;336443]lets hope we hit on Palmer so [B]we can get rid of brunell or collins or in a dream world both of them lol[/B],.[/quote]


Hell yeah! I LOVE Casey Bramlet. I think he is awesome and would serve GREAT as a #2/#3 QB. He is cool, calm and can get it done in the clutch. Oh, and he throws a really mean deep ball. Palmer looks ok. I like Bramlet better.

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[quote=JGisLordOfTheRings;336421]lol
Quinn will be good ONE DAY....[/quote]

Eli will be good one day too. lol.

I can't predict the future but I'm all about seeing what he has got on the field and if he's NFL material or can reach elite status.

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[quote=saden1;336450][B]Eli will be good one day too. lol.[/B]

I can't predict the future but I'm all about seeing what he has got on the field and if he's NFL material or can reach elite status.[/quote]


HAHAHA....lotsa laughs over that one.

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Wilsowilsoo:

For you to think Quinn is going to make big on his first contract and become a sponge, what credible evidence do you have?
First - Charlie endorsed him. Pretty good endorsement.
Second - Look at his work ethic, Russell showed up fat and out of shape, Quinn was ripped and ready.
Third - He learned a pro offense and how to study and prepare in college.
Fourth - He was a student of the game.

Grat 92:

You are a freaking OSU homer and are not objective so your posts almost don't deserve a response. But since they were so stupid I will opine. You who are so keen into the pro football world apparently ranked Troy Smith as a first round pick, unlike all the 6 figure experts that are paid to analyze and do this for a living. While I will agree that they don't always predict talent to the best degree, you and your vast depth of insight disagreed with about 30 of the best experts paid by the business. Please educate me with your great knowledge and expertise...you freaking goof....are you fucking kidding me...you are so blind in your homerism you can't be objective. Are you honestly trying to sell me that Smith who got kicked off the team (why?) is a better QB than Quinn.? Look at the numbers and if you want to go there then I will absolutely embarrass you.

WAR ND
WAR REDSKINS
WAR USMC

God Bless America...and I'm out....

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[QUOTE=IrishSkins Fan;336480]Wilsowilsoo:

For you to think Quinn is going to make big on his first contract and become a sponge, what credible evidence do you have?
First - Charlie endorsed him. Pretty good endorsement.
Second - Look at his work ethic, Russell showed up fat and out of shape, Quinn was ripped and ready.
Third - He learned a pro offense and how to study and prepare in college.
Fourth - He was a student of the game.

Grat 92:

You are a freaking OSU homer and are not objective so your posts almost don't deserve a response. But since they were so stupid I will opine. You who are so keen into the pro football world apparently ranked Troy Smith as a first round pick, unlike all the 6 figure experts that are paid to analyze and do this for a living. While I will agree that they don't always predict talent to the best degree, you and your vast depth of insight disagreed with about 30 of the best experts paid by the business. Please educate me with your great knowledge and expertise...you freaking goof....are you fucking kidding me...you are so blind in your homerism you can't be objective. Are you honestly trying to sell me that Smith who got kicked off the team (why?) is a better QB than Quinn.? Look at the numbers and if you want to go there then I will absolutely embarrass you.

WAR ND
WAR REDSKINS
WAR USMC

God Bless America...and I'm out....[/QUOTE]

I don't recall Crat making any sort of personal attack on you. So there's no need for you to do so to him.

You can disagree with tact or not say anything at all.

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[quote=IrishSkins Fan;336480]Wilsowilsoo:

For you to think Quinn is going to make big on his first contract and become a sponge, what credible evidence do you have?
[/quote]

I can honestly say I have no idea what this means and or what in the world you are talking about? I said Quinn is not going to be a very good pro IMO and that he is well on his way to confirming my opinion by souring his relationship with the Browns right off the bat.

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[quote=IrishSkins Fan;336480][B]You are a freaking OSU homer and are not objective so your posts[/B] almost don't deserve a response. But since they were so stupid I will opine. You who are so keen into the pro football world apparently ranked Troy Smith as a first round pick, unlike all the 6 figure experts that are paid to analyze and do this for a living. While I will agree that they don't always predict talent to the best degree, you and your vast depth of insight disagreed with about 30 of the best experts paid by the business. Please educate me with your great knowledge and expertise...you freaking goof....are you fucking kidding me...you are so blind in your homerism you can't be objective. Are you honestly trying to sell me that Smith who got kicked off the team (why?) is a better QB than Quinn.? Look at the numbers and if you want to go there then I will absolutely embarrass you.

[B] WAR ND[/B]
WAR REDSKINS
WAR USMC

God Bless America...and I'm out....[/quote]

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!

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[quote=saden1;336419]Brady has an arm? That's news to me.[/quote]?

Quinn has a real good NFL arm. Not Russell good, but no one has that good an arm.

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[quote=wilsowilso;336495]I can honestly say I have no idea what this means and or what in the world you are talking about? I said Quinn is not going to be a very good pro IMO and that he is well on his way to confirming my opinion by souring his relationship with the Browns right off the bat.[/quote]Uh...

One Week Holdout=NFL bust? Am I missing something?

Seriously though, the fact that you don't like the guy should have no bearing on your evaluation of him as a player. If we can't evaluate objectively, then we best be sayin nothin.

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[quote=IrishSkins Fan;336480]Wilsowilsoo:

For you to think Quinn is going to make big on his first contract and become a sponge, what credible evidence do you have?
First - Charlie endorsed him. Pretty good endorsement.
Second - Look at his work ethic, Russell showed up fat and out of shape, Quinn was ripped and ready.
Third - He learned a pro offense and how to study and prepare in college.
Fourth - He was a student of the game.

Grat 92:

You are a freaking OSU homer and are not objective so your posts almost don't deserve a response. But since they were so stupid I will opine. You who are so keen into the pro football world apparently ranked Troy Smith as a first round pick, unlike all the 6 figure experts that are paid to analyze and do this for a living. While I will agree that they don't always predict talent to the best degree, you and your vast depth of insight disagreed with about 30 of the best experts paid by the business. Please educate me with your great knowledge and expertise...you freaking goof....are you fucking kidding me...you are so blind in your homerism you can't be objective. Are you honestly trying to sell me that Smith who got kicked off the team (why?) is a better QB than Quinn.? Look at the numbers and if you want to go there then I will absolutely embarrass you.

WAR ND
WAR REDSKINS
WAR USMC

God Bless America...and I'm out....[/quote]

Give me a break. Who are you trying to be? Jim Rome?

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I think "Top 5 Warpathers" should be mandatory reading prior to posting after reading some of the recent comments:)

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If I'm a player I would be looking for the best deal that I could sign my name too. After all is said and done this is still a business and teams will cut you just as fast as they can when they feel you no longer have any value to them so why shouldn't a player want his best pay day that they can get. This could be the only deal he ever gets as he could get injured and never have the chance to strike another deal. Does anyone have any idea what Quinn is even trying to get or what the Browns are even offering him?

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Quinn has to do what he and his agent feels is right. I think it's a shame that he's blowing his chance to start the season as the starter, but I'm not sure which side is more to blame here. Holdouts stink, but it's part of the business side of the game.

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[quote=12thMan;336524]I think "Top 5 Warpathers" should be mandatory reading prior to posting after reading some of the recent comments:)[/quote]

I'm not sure if the dog days of August are kicking in here on the board or what, all I know is lately the quality of the posting here is seriously lacking. Time to step it up boys and girls.

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[quote=12thMan;336043]

I hate to say it, but I think playing at USC breeds this mentality in these college athletes. They're constantly in the spot light and placed on a peddle stool.[/quote]

What is a peddle stool?