Is Brady Quinn Being Selfish By Holding Out?

12thMan · 08-03-2007, 10:48 PM

This holdout is getting more interesting by the day. On one hand, Quinn was chosen late in the first round, but on the other hand he is a top quarterback prospect. So the Browns are like, hey, we want to pay you like the 22nd pick should be paid - and that's fair. Quinn's agent wants him to get paid like he's the man, and to some that's fair too.

I think the bigger question, at least in mind, is do players respect the game anymore? I'm sure people that know Quinn personally will tell you,to a person, that Brady loves Cleveland, loves football, blah, blah. But couldn't he step in and end this and bring his ass to camp? It's bad enough you have guys that are already in the league that have this sense of entitlement. Lance Briggs and Strahan are two that jump out at me for some reason.

But now a days, you have these kids coming straight out of college that want it all. Help me out here please....

ESPN - Browns impatient as QB Quinn holdout continues - NFL

mooby · 08-03-2007, 10:58 PM

I think they could meet somewhere in the middle on this one, I don't think Quinn should be paid like a top ten pick because he wasn't one, but on the other hand he's a top ten talent. Pay him like the 16th draft pick would be paid, that's kinda meeting in the middle. And if all that Quinn loves football, loves Cleveland, talk is true, then he would've accepted the first thing they threw at him because he wouldn't want to miss any time.

12thMan · 08-03-2007, 11:03 PM

I agree. The Browns know they got lucky to get the kid at 22, but by the same token you would think he wouldn't be playing hard ball with them. He's definitely falling out of favor with the fans every day this thing lingers.

I hate to say it, but I think playing at USC breeds this mentality in these college athletes. They're constantly in the spot light and placed on a pedal stool.

Schneed10 · 08-03-2007, 11:09 PM

I don't see Quinn's point of view in even the slightest bit. If he was a "top QB prospect", then somebody would have taken him higher. The fact that 21 teams passed on him means exactly this: there are 21 players deemed to be worth more to their teams.

He should shut up and get paid like the 22nd pick.

Easy for me to say, because it's millions of dollars at stake. But you can't deny the logic.

SmootSmack · 08-03-2007, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by 12thMan

I agree. The Browns know they got lucky to get the kid at 22, but by the same token you would think he wouldn't be playing hard ball with them. He's definitely falling out of favor with the fans every day this thing lingers.

I hate to say it, but I think playing at USC breeds this mentality in these college athletes. They're constantly in the spot light and placed on a peddle stool.

But what does USC have to do with Brady Quinn? Didn't he play at Notre Dame?

I think I can't begrudge the man for going for as much as possible. That said though, whether or not he's a top 10 talent shouldn't matter as much as where he actually selected. You can load up his contract with incentives but the basics of the salary should be relatively in accordance with where he was selected, in my opinion.

Schneed10 · 08-03-2007, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by 12thMan

I agree. The Browns know they got lucky to get the kid at 22, but by the same token you would think he wouldn't be playing hard ball with them. He's definitely falling out of favor with the fans every day this thing lingers.

I hate to say it, but I think playing at USC breeds this mentality in these college athletes. They're constantly in the spot light and placed on a peddle stool.

Quinn played at Notre Dame. But the USC effect you speak of might still apply to ND players; no college gets ND's national TV coverage.

12thMan · 08-03-2007, 11:13 PM

Oh shit...too many beers...ummm...I thinking about that asshole Leinert. (sp)
Funny...damn!! You guys know what I mean!!!

Schneed10 · 08-03-2007, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 12thMan

Oh shit...too many beers...ummm...I thinking about that asshole Leinert. (sp)
Funny...damn!! You guys know what I mean!!!

Well one thing's for damn sure... Leinart is a major asshole!

12thMan · 08-03-2007, 11:30 PM

you know that's one of the things i think i appreciate about the skins under gibbs. i honestly think these guys want to win and care about the team and the city. for the most part this seems like a pretty level headed bunch.

i can't really think of one guy i would consider an asshole on the skins...

12thMan · 08-03-2007, 11:31 PM

....then again, lloyd is pretty close. the jury's still out on him...

Cowell · 08-03-2007, 11:33 PM

The way I look at situations like this is that a player shouldn't hold out until he proves himself in the NFL. Then again we are talking about maybe one of the most desperate franchises in the NFL.

GTripp0012 · 08-03-2007, 11:37 PM

Isn't Condon notorious for doing this though?

I mean, yeah, I'm sure Quinn would like to be in camp and hes taking a PR hit by not being in camp, but I think theres a reason hes staying out of the negotiation process. It's a no win situation for him. The market value for a franchise QB is much higher than the market value of the 22nd pick, so when both sides have leverage, shit like this happens. Quinn, and QBs in general are unlikely to hold out at any point because they have so much value to the team so he has to get a better than market value contract now while he still has leverage.

In a month, this will all be water under the bridge anyway.

GTripp0012 · 08-03-2007, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

I don't see Quinn's point of view in even the slightest bit. If he was a "top QB prospect", then somebody would have taken him higher. The fact that 21 teams passed on him means exactly this: there are 21 players deemed to be worth more to their teams.

He should shut up and get paid like the 22nd pick.

Easy for me to say, because it's millions of dollars at stake. But you can't deny the logic.

He thinks he's the franchise QB. I mean, it's completely subjective whether or not you think the Browns took him for value (like the Pack did with Rodgers), or to be the franchise QB (like we did with Campbell), but if hes going to be the starting QB for many years, hes going to want to be paid like one.

If the Browns think Quinn is a "top QB prospect" (they did trade their 2008 first rounder to get him...and they are Cleveland), thats really all the leverage he needs. Doesn't matter what 31 other teams think.

12thMan · 08-03-2007, 11:40 PM

Good point, GT. Now that I think about it, some of this has to do with Russell still holding out. What I mean is, I'm sure Condon is slotting his client right behind Russell to see what kind of deal he's going to get, and possibly bring Quinn within striking distance of that.

12thMan · 08-03-2007, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

He thinks he's the franchise QB. I mean, it's completely subjective whether or not you think the Browns took him for value (like the Pack did with Rodgers), or to be the franchise QB (like we did with Campbell), but if hes going to be the starting QB for many years, hes going to want to be paid like one.

I think teams are being more cautious now in the wake of guys like Heath Shuler, Tim Couch, ummmm...what's his face...San Diego? Yeah, Ryan Leaf!!! So there's no guarantee a guy is a franchise QB until he becomes a franchise QB.

08-03-2007, 10:48 PM	#1
12thMan MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: washington, D.C. Posts: 11,460	Is Brady Quinn Being Selfish By Holding Out? This holdout is getting more interesting by the day. On one hand, Quinn was chosen late in the first round, but on the other hand he is a top quarterback prospect. So the Browns are like, hey, we want to pay you like the 22nd pick should be paid - and that's fair. Quinn's agent wants him to get paid like he's the man, and to some that's fair too. I think the bigger question, at least in mind, is do players respect the game anymore? I'm sure people that know Quinn personally will tell you,to a person, that Brady loves Cleveland, loves football, blah, blah. But couldn't he step in and end this and bring his ass to camp? It's bad enough you have guys that are already in the league that have this sense of entitlement. Lance Briggs and Strahan are two that jump out at me for some reason. But now a days, you have these kids coming straight out of college that want it all. Help me out here please.... ESPN - Browns impatient as QB Quinn holdout continues - NFL

08-03-2007, 10:58 PM	#2
mooby Hug Anne Spyder Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 20,468	Re: Is Brady Quinn Being Selfish By Holding Out? I think they could meet somewhere in the middle on this one, I don't think Quinn should be paid like a top ten pick because he wasn't one, but on the other hand he's a top ten talent. Pay him like the 16th draft pick would be paid, that's kinda meeting in the middle. And if all that Quinn loves football, loves Cleveland, talk is true, then he would've accepted the first thing they threw at him because he wouldn't want to miss any time. __________________ Hail to the Football Team

08-03-2007, 11:03 PM	#3
12thMan MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: washington, D.C. Posts: 11,460	Re: Is Brady Quinn Being Selfish By Holding Out? I agree. The Browns know they got lucky to get the kid at 22, but by the same token you would think he wouldn't be playing hard ball with them. He's definitely falling out of favor with the fans every day this thing lingers. I hate to say it, but I think playing at USC breeds this mentality in these college athletes. They're constantly in the spot light and placed on a pedal stool.

08-03-2007, 11:09 PM	#4
Schneed10 A Dude Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Newtown Square, PA Age: 45 Posts: 12,421	Re: Is Brady Quinn Being Selfish By Holding Out? I don't see Quinn's point of view in even the slightest bit. If he was a "top QB prospect", then somebody would have taken him higher. The fact that 21 teams passed on him means exactly this: there are 21 players deemed to be worth more to their teams. He should shut up and get paid like the 22nd pick. Easy for me to say, because it's millions of dollars at stake. But you can't deny the logic. __________________ God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.

08-03-2007, 11:13 PM	#7
12thMan MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: washington, D.C. Posts: 11,460	Re: Is Brady Quinn Being Selfish By Holding Out? Oh shit...too many beers...ummm...I thinking about that asshole Leinert. (sp) Funny...damn!! You guys know what I mean!!!

08-03-2007, 11:30 PM	#9
12thMan MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: washington, D.C. Posts: 11,460	Re: Is Brady Quinn Being Selfish By Holding Out? you know that's one of the things i think i appreciate about the skins under gibbs. i honestly think these guys want to win and care about the team and the city. for the most part this seems like a pretty level headed bunch. i can't really think of one guy i would consider an asshole on the skins...

08-03-2007, 11:31 PM	#10
12thMan MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: washington, D.C. Posts: 11,460	Re: Is Brady Quinn Being Selfish By Holding Out? ....then again, lloyd is pretty close. the jury's still out on him...

08-03-2007, 11:33 PM	#11
Cowell Impact Rookie Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Bluffton, South Carolina Posts: 803	Re: Is Brady Quinn Being Selfish By Holding Out? The way I look at situations like this is that a player shouldn't hold out until he proves himself in the NFL. Then again we are talking about maybe one of the most desperate franchises in the NFL.

08-03-2007, 11:37 PM	#12
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 36 Posts: 15,994	Re: Is Brady Quinn Being Selfish By Holding Out? Isn't Condon notorious for doing this though? I mean, yeah, I'm sure Quinn would like to be in camp and hes taking a PR hit by not being in camp, but I think theres a reason hes staying out of the negotiation process. It's a no win situation for him. The market value for a franchise QB is much higher than the market value of the 22nd pick, so when both sides have leverage, shit like this happens. Quinn, and QBs in general are unlikely to hold out at any point because they have so much value to the team so he has to get a better than market value contract now while he still has leverage. In a month, this will all be water under the bridge anyway.

08-03-2007, 11:40 PM	#14
12thMan MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: washington, D.C. Posts: 11,460	Re: Is Brady Quinn Being Selfish By Holding Out? Good point, GT. Now that I think about it, some of this has to do with Russell still holding out. What I mean is, I'm sure Condon is slotting his client right behind Russell to see what kind of deal he's going to get, and possibly bring Quinn within striking distance of that.

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