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Anyone else remember a few years ago when Hall, then a returning Pro Bowler, got into a training camp fight with a rookie where he punched the guy in the head (even though the guy had a helmet on) and [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2549794"]nearly broke his own hand?[/URL]
I don't want someone that stupid on my team!!!

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I bet the Cowboys go for him.

Jerry Jones loves headcases and big names, and the Dallas secondary is hurting.

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[quote=Daseal;497938]Hall is a good corner on a good team.

I'd take a flyer on him, especially with Springs' recent track record.[/quote]No team is a "good" team if DeAngelo Hall is in it's starting lineup.

I know you love Hokies, and thats fine, but Hall clearly can't play defense in the NFL. His only value is as a special teamer.

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[quote=SmootSmack;498016]I'm wavering on Walker. On the one hand he would probably have a more immediate impact than Thomas. On the other hand, Thomas (and Davis) need to get out there and play and take their lumps.[/quote]

But Devin doesn't even know the playbook. He's running the wrong routes, which apparently led to an INT against Pitt. If him taking lumps hurts us like that, I say ride the pine. Of course, with Moss hurt our receiving corps drops off like the Grand Canyon, so we really have no choice but to play him. With Moss, ARE, Cooley, and then three pass catchers taken with the first three picks, I would have never envisioned us having this kind of discussion. Damn.

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That was late last night and it's not very clear re-reading it.

Here's what I meant. Hall is a good player to have around if things are going well for a team. If he's on a bad team, it makes things worse. All I can think right now is how the same people were calling Randy Moss a cancer. He went into a good situation in New England, now he's putting his arm around the young QB and working with him.

I think Hall is talented. He has had an absolutely abysmal year and I'm not planning on giving him a lucrative contract. I'd give him a fair offer take it or leave it. However, lets remember. All CBs are arrogant. They have to be. I wouldn't want it any other way. If you get beat, you have to forget it and still think you're going to shut the guy down. People show it in different ways, but arrogance is part of the position.

As far as being a Hokie fan. Not really. I pull for them since they're a local team, but I'm probably more aligned with Florida since my whole family on my Dad's side went there. Hence the Spurrier love (who I still stick by! More PPG than Gibbs!).

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Hall is a bad apple to have in the locker room, I would be shocked to see him brought in. Can anyone imagine Blache putting up with his crap??

Last but certainly not least, he's just not that good.

Walker is intriguing since he has experience in west coast based offenses from Green Bay and Denver. All I know is Thomas isn't giving us anything right now, it might be better to just put him on the back burner for now.

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[quote=Daseal;498068]That was late last night and it's not very clear re-reading it.

Here's what I meant. Hall is a good player to have around if things are going well for a team. If he's on a bad team, it makes things worse. All I can think right now is how the same people were calling Randy Moss a cancer. He went into a good situation in New England, now he's putting his arm around the young QB and working with him.

I think Hall is talented. He has had an absolutely abysmal year and I'm not planning on giving him a lucrative contract. I'd give him a fair offer take it or leave it. However, lets remember. All CBs are arrogant. They have to be. I wouldn't want it any other way. If you get beat, you have to forget it and still think you're going to shut the guy down. People show it in different ways, but arrogance is part of the position.

As far as being a Hokie fan. Not really. I pull for them since they're a local team, but [B]I'm probably more aligned with Florida [/B]since my whole family on my Dad's side went there. Hence the Spurrier love (who I still stick by! More PPG than Gibbs!).[/quote]

Hell yeah! Go Gators! Great stomping of Georgia on Saturday. I think Mark Richt got the memo- don't piss off Urban Meyer. Ever.

I agree that Hall is worth a shot. Our locker room is tight. He wouldn't come in and create any turmoil. He wouldn't be allowed to. More importantly, he'd probably be scared to. And like you said, given his ego, he probably wants a chance to prove he can be elite again.

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has anyone heard anything about d hall or walker?

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[quote=Mattyk72;498069]Hall is a bad apple to have in the locker room, I would be shocked to see him brought in. Can anyone imagine Blache putting up with his crap??

Last but certainly not least, he's just not that good.

Walker is intriguing since he has experience in west coast based offenses from Green Bay and Denver. All I know is Thomas isn't giving us anything right now, it might be better to just put him on the back burner for now.[/quote]

Could not agree more-"He's just not that good". And Hall is not a Blache guy at all.

Walker needs to leave the game for a while or maybe forever. When I see him in interviews I can't help but think the guy has PTSD(but doesn't know it) and needs some serious medical intervention.

As for Thomas; at this point I am more hopeful that he turns into Steve Tasker rather than Steve Largent...

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JLC doubts the Skins would bring in Hall

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2008/11/deangelo_hall_javon_walker_pla.html#more]Musings on Hall, Walker and KGB - Redskins Insider[/url]

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[quote=Daseal;498068]That was late last night and it's not very clear re-reading it.

Here's what I meant. Hall is a good player to have around if things are going well for a team. If he's on a bad team, it makes things worse. All I can think right now is how the same people were calling Randy Moss a cancer. He went into a good situation in New England, now he's putting his arm around the young QB and working with him.

I think Hall is talented. He has had an absolutely abysmal year and I'm not planning on giving him a lucrative contract. I'd give him a fair offer take it or leave it. However, lets remember. All CBs are arrogant. They have to be. I wouldn't want it any other way. If you get beat, you have to forget it and still think you're going to shut the guy down. People show it in different ways, but arrogance is part of the position.

As far as being a Hokie fan. Not really. I pull for them since they're a local team, but I'm probably more aligned with Florida since my whole family on my Dad's side went there. Hence the Spurrier love (who I still stick by! More PPG than Gibbs!).[/quote]Okay, fair enough. I apologize for assuming your college football fanship.

I agree that he's having an abysmal year (as in worse than he normally is), but in my game breakdowns, I've really been hard on Fred Smoot this year for his inability to cover No. 2 WRs. At no point in DeAngelo's career has he been as good a cover corner as Fred Smoot.

When he was younger, there was always hope that he could develop into a better cover corner. A lot of scouts saw shutdown potential in the guy his first year or two in the league, but he's never really become a good cover corner. I don't want to judge the guy by his ego, because I'm certainly not qualified to do so.

But he's just not very good. 2007 might have been his best professional season, and even then, he would only have been a decent No. 2 corner. He was on a team where he was playing opposite a shutdown corner, chasing the opponents' No. 2 WR all over the field, and he couldn't do anything. Maybe he's a little bit injured, but either way, he has no defensive value.

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Walker makes a lot of sense for this team. A lot of sense. But the contract numbers have to work.

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why not bring him in, he could b a back up corner and return punts and kicks. randel el aint gettin it done and why cant take a chance puttin moss back there.

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More on Walker, there's no reason to think that he can't be our Randy Moss if we can sign him. The Raiders try to judge their own WRs on their production, but the diminishing talent at their QB position makes it impossible to do so.

For the record, I don't see Davis letting Walker go, but if he does, he'll make a big impact somewhere.

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According to this article this could be just the first move of a roster shakeup

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3684396]ESPN - What gives? Oakland Raiders cut highly paid corner DeAngelo Hall[/url]

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Let's face it. This may be the first time in 5 years that Al Davis has blamed the correct party for failure. That alone gives the Raiders hope for the future.

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[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80c3d9f4&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true]Raiders cut ties with Hall after eight games[/url]

I myself like a CB with some swagger, but if this article is true, then he wont help the skins because we play alot of man to man under blanche.

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[quote=Stacks42;498142][URL="http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80c3d9f4&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true"]Raiders cut ties with Hall after eight games[/URL]

I myself [B]like a CB with some swagger[/B], but if this article is true, then he wont help the skins because we play alot of man to man under blanche.[/quote]

I don't mind some swagger if you know how to play the game. But he doesn't. This clown is a bottom barrel corner. Blache wouldn't put up with his shit for a NY second!

In his eight games in Oakland, Hall was beaten 40 times for 552 yards on 66 passes thrown his way, according to data compiled by STATS LLC. He gave up more yards than any defender this season and was tied for third worst in catches allowed. ENOUGH SAID!

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Hall is to much trouble!! we have good D

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Now if the Raiders cut Michael Huff, that would be an interesting prospect.

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Everybody is so down on Hall, but if we could pick him up at a fairly reasonable price he would be a great addition. Shawn Springs is getting older and Hall could be a replacement if Smoot isn't already. Rodgers/Smoot/Hall/Springs would be a secondary to be reckoned with. Just have him play in zone schemes instead of man-to-man.

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Now im liking the way you think.

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I'm liking the way the Raiders think; bad for them, good for everybody else!

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maybe hall just got tired of all the bullshit he has had to take the last two years.
his coach quit on him in atlanta,he lost a good friend,and then he got caught in all that shit in oakland.if we can sign him at a good price,why not?you never know how long spring's calf is gonna hold out.javon walker would be a great pick up too.

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He was trouble in ATL because he hung out with Vick!!!

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Maybe we could sign Hall by telling him that we actually have a team with a stable coaching staff and we can surround him with players that can actually hold up their end of the bargain. Oakland signed him thinking that he would solve all their problems. If the Skins' were to sign him, he could have peace at mind knowing the entire secondary doesn't rely on him to do THEIR job. At the right price, Hall would be a freakin steal!

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:doh: Serenity Now!

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They better not sign Hall. He really isn't that good and he has horrible character. I'll pass.

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[quote=steveo395;498175]They better not sign Hall. He really isn't that good and he has horrible character. I'll pass.[/quote]

How do you know he has a horrible character? Oakland is just a horrible situation right now. He would be a great fit for us; allow Springs to play more physical and have Hall play zone overtop, or any other combinations we could use him at. In Oakland people exploited his weakness in man coverage, so as long as we could sign him for a fair price, NOT OVERPAY HIM, we could definately throw him in our zone schemes and use him to our advantage.

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[quote=johnerotten;498170]maybe hall just got tired of all the bullshit he has had to take the last two years.
his coach quit on him in atlanta,he lost a good friend,and then he got caught in all that shit in oakland.if we can sign him at a good price,why not?you never know how long spring's calf is gonna hold out.javon walker would be a great pick up too.[/quote]

Those are good points about Hall. Seeing your close friend get locked up and disgraced, having your head coach quit mid season, and then landing smack dab in the shittiest organization in sports can set you back mentally. Prior to '07 he had consecutive pro-bowl seasons in '05 and '06. Springs is great when healthy but can't stay that way and is in the twilight of his career, Smoot is best suited as a nickel, and Rogers is turning into an elite corner.

If Hall could be had [B]for a cheap price[/B], it may be worth a gamble for a chance at a having a nasty corner tandem for years to come. Trust me, as strong and veteran as our locker room is, one man ain't gonna tear it down.

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Ehhh im divided on this one. I wouldnt mind bringing him im for a good price, because i think with our coaches we can make him play to his talent level. But on the other hand he has had character issues. So if we do bring him in, we should have some kink in his contract that says if he does something bad or gets in trouble that he be released or paid a different amount of money..sort of like an incentive..

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anyone think vin has called his agent by the way who is his agent is it drew?

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[quote=47FAN;498185]anyone think vin has called his agent by the way who is his agent is it drew?[/quote]

i believe it is...

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well you know the relationship they have so i dont put it past them

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who doesnt drew rosenhaus (or however you spell it) represent? it seems as if all the best players are under his management.

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if thats true then he will probably visit redskins park in the next day or two

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“This is a blessing,” Hall told NFL.com’s Steve Wyche. “I have learned it’s not all about the money. I’ve learned now it’s more about the team. Ain’t all money good money. I took the bait. I went for the money and I didn’t research the situation. But I don’t think I would trade this for the world. Just to meet (owner) Al Davis, to get to pick his brain, to know the kind of person he is and the impression he had on football is good for me to say that I know him.”

[url=http://blogs.nfl.com/2008/11/05/hall-interested-teams-already-calling/]NFL.com Blogs » Blog Archive Hall: Interested teams already calling «[/url]

All good things for Hall to say. I guess that last line he said about knowing Al Davis could be taken as a jab if out of context, but I think it is a complement.

Im pretty sure that his agent is [I]not[/I] Drew Rosenhaus.

Wouldnt it be nice to have a replacement for Springs, without giving up a draft pick, and by just taking a chance? Dont get whats wrong with that.

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Alvin Keels is Hall's agent. Don't know who else he represents

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RAIDERS OFFERED HALL A CHANCE TO STAY
Posted by Mike Florio on November 5, 2008, 10:10 p.m.

A league source tells us that the Oakland Raiders offered to keep cornerback DeAngelo Hall for the rest of the 2008 season.

But to stay Hall would have had to sacrifice the injury guarantee applicable to his $9 million option bonus due in March 2009 and his guaranteed base salary of $7.5 million for 2009.

Hall declined.

Teams have until Thursday to make waiver claims for Hall. The more likely outcome is that Hall won’t be claimed, and that he’ll become an unrestricted free agent.

There is increasing speculation that the Patriots could be interested in adding Hall, under a minimum-salary deal for the balance of the season. The thinking in some circles is that the Pats would rely upon their veteran leadership in the locker room to influence Hall to be something other than a turd.

And if he steps out of line even once, the Pats would undoubtedly cut him loose.

Finally, several readers have asked us to explain the concept of injury and skill guarantees. OK, we’ll do it. (Insert eye roll here.)

An injury guarantee ensures payment in the event a player is (duh) injured. A skill guarantee means that the player gets the money even if, as in Hall’s case, he is cut.

The reality in Hall’s case is that the reports of “guaranteed” money in the amount of $24 million omitted the fact that $16.5 million of it was guaranteed for injury only.

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No reports of teams yet huh?