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[quote=53Fan;537557]I've also read that Kendall could be resigned to be a back up guard/center, and used at RG if Thomas is slow to recover.[/quote]

Why not skip this old geezers and address the OL/DL in the draft.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;537559]Why not skip this old geezers and address the OL/DL in the draft.[/quote]

Insurance until the young guys are ready I guess.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;537491]I said that if you could get Wynn and Daniels for the same amount of money that you were paying Daniels or for a little more than that would be a good thing.

You've got two guys for the price of one (if Phillips signs) that know the system and aren't asked to do something they can't, pass-rush. They can get pressure and add Haynesworth to the mix who knows?

We can't rebuild the team in one year. We've gotten younger in some areas and kept depth in others. If we could get Washington back for cheap that'd be good too.

This is a youth movement, make no mistake about it. Even though these guys are older they're not the future of this team and they know it. Daniels and Wynn probably don't have any illusions of SB rings. They want to play out their careers in a good locker room, with guys they know and like, and with a coach they respect. That's why they tried to package themselves for a deal.

As much as people like to bad mouth our team the truth is our defense is bad ass and has been for awhile. Almost every win that we've had over the past few years has been because of the defense with rare exception. If the offense didn't leave the poor bastards out on the field for 3/4s of every GD game, they'd have won a SB or two by now.

These guys will be gone in the next two years or until a younger guy can be brought in. So be it. These guys work hard and you never hear them really mouth off.[/quote]

I see your agument. I think our defense was playoff caliber. I wouldn't put it in the same category as Balt or Pitt. I also get the feeling that the coaches on this team prefer to work with older guys and don't have patience for young guys.

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the sky is falling [sacrcasm]

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Wow I was hoping he retired, so we wouldn't sign him, we could haved waited until after the draft to see if any other DE's became available.

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[quote=53Fan;537562]Insurance until the young guys are ready I guess.[/quote]

I was not a big fan of this when I first heard we were interested, but it is smart to have experience that a rookie can learn from. It also keeps us from reaching in the draft and being forced to take a player at a specific position, now we have experience in some of our weaker areas.

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[quote=RedTempleSkin;537585]I was not a big fan of this when I first heard we were interested, but it is smart to have experience that a rookie can learn from. [B] It also keeps us from reaching in the draft and being forced to take a player at a specific position, now we have experience in some of our weaker areas[/B].[/quote]

Good post. I think that is exactly why we signed him.

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He's a good run stuffer and a good guy -- not a bad signing at all.

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Id' rather have dainels than Wynn. I didn't think Wynn was that good.

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Whats with Daniels and contract negotiations? Are we really going to offer him something other then the veteran minimum? I also wonder if the Skins are planning on finding a Montgomery type guy with their 5th round pick. Looking through the list of prospects a few guys come to mind.

- Kyle Moore - DE - USC (I like totally found him all by myself)
- Mitch King - DE - Iowa
- Rulon Davis - DE - Cal
- Pannel Egboh - DE - Stanford
- Matt Shaughnessy- DE - Wisconsin

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[quote=Dirtbag359;537608]Whats with Daniels and contract negotiations? Are we really going to offer him something other then the veteran minimum? I also wonder if the Skins are planning on finding a Montgomery type guy with their 5th round pick. Looking through the list of prospects a few guys come to mind.

- Kyle Moore - DE - USC (I like totally found him all by myself)
- Mitch King - DE - Iowa
- Rulon Davis - DE - Cal
- Pannel Egboh - DE - Stanford
- Matt Shaughnessy- DE - Wisconsin[/quote]

To offer Dainels the Vet min is a joke. He deserves a better deal than Wynn and I think the FO knows that and are trying to low ball him. We should offer him a 1yr/2mil deal with incentives (staying healthy, and good production). As for the DE prospects, it wouldn't shock me if we selected one of those guys in the 5th.

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He's good locker room, a Player-Coach of sorts and we need a body with experience if for nothing else but to help train the DE we're going to draft.

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I am against the WYNN move obviously... even more so as Id rather have Daniels, Evans, Canty, Igor, Carter, Peppers ...etc..whoever. I actually like our back up speed rushers and just wanted an upgrade at the starting DE spot. And Wynn is a downgrade, esp. w/o Daniels too. I would like to see Wilson at LB though esp. if we aren't gonna play him much at DE.

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[quote=mrreddman;537749]I am against the WYNN move obviously... even more so as Id rather have Daniels, Evans, Canty, Igor, Carter, Peppers ...etc..whoever. I actually like our back up speed rushers and just wanted an upgrade at the starting DE spot. And Wynn is a downgrade, esp. w/o Daniels too. I would like to see Wilson at LB though esp. if we aren't gonna play him much at DE.[/quote]

Wynn is an obvious upgrade @ LDE over Buzbee, Jackson and Wilson. These guys are totally untested, have questionable size and power for the position as it is played in our system and aside Buzbee is coming off a major injury.

... Wilson at OLB is interesting though. Again he's way too small at LDE and even a bit undersized at RDE to be anything but a pass-rush specialist. I wonder if Blache is thinking this?

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I wasnt saying any of those guys..Buzbee, Jackson, Wilson..etc.. should ever be a starter. But I do like them as back up speed pass rushers only. I would rather try Alexander or K.G. at DE over Wynn though. I just dont think Wynn is any kinda upgrade over Evans, Daniels, Canty. Igor, or maybe even K Carter at this point. I know Wynn is a good locker room guy, and hes a pretty kool cat too as Ive met him a few times. But we can only carry so many defensive lineman and I don't like him more than, Big AL, Carter, K.G., Monty, Griff, Alexander, Wilson, Jackson, Buzbee, and whoever esle we add hopefully to the mix. If this signing was an insurance for injury ok kool, but if he ends up starting or getting significant PT we are in trouble.
But again I would love to see Wilson get a shot at OLB

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skins sign monty to a one year tender. really didnt know where to put this

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[quote=mrreddman;537749]I am against the WYNN move obviously... even more so as Id rather have Daniels, Evans, Canty, Igor, Carter, Peppers ...etc..whoever. I actually like our back up speed rushers and just wanted an upgrade at the starting DE spot. And Wynn is a downgrade, esp. w/o Daniels too. I would like to see Wilson at LB though esp. if we aren't gonna play him much at DE.[/quote]

Yeah all of those guys are more desirable but which one is going to sign for the minimum? <crickets>

Peppers is going to want 20 million a year, why even mention him?

How is Wynn a downgrade? From Buzbee Wilson or Jackson? That is a reach... Until Daniels signs he isn't in the mix yet.

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Wynn finally signed the contract.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;539694]Yeah all of those guys are more desirable but which one is going to sign for the minimum? <crickets>

Peppers is going to want 20 million a year, why even mention him?

How is Wynn a downgrade? From Buzbee Wilson or Jackson? That is a reach... Until Daniels signs he isn't in the mix yet.[/quote]

Yep that's what it comes down to. He's an upgrade to what we already have, granted that's not saying much but still. Point is if we had to start someone out of our group of DE's I would feel much better about going with Wynn over Buzbee, Wilson, or Jackson.

That said I will still feel much better about our DE's if we can get Daniels back in the mix.

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[quote=Mattyk72;539712]Yep that's what it comes down to. He's an upgrade to what we already have, granted that's not saying much but still. Point is if we had to start someone out of our group of DE's I would feel much better about going with Wynn over Buzbee, Wilson, or Jackson.

[B]That said I will still feel much better about our DE's if we can get Daniels back in the mix.[/B][/quote]

Word... Blache needs to pick up the phone and make a call (again). A healthy Daniels is a force to be reckoned with. Obviously age and the injury risks come into play but this is a guy who achieved 8 sacks in a season at LDE just a few years ago.

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[quote=mrreddman;537749]I am against the WYNN move obviously... even more so as Id rather have Daniels, Evans, Canty, Igor, Carter, Peppers ...etc..whoever. I actually like our back up speed rushers and just wanted an upgrade at the starting DE spot. And Wynn is a downgrade, esp. w/o Daniels too. I would like to see Wilson at LB though esp. if we aren't gonna play him much at DE.[/quote]

Anytime you can get veteran depth at almost zero money you do it, its a no brainer

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Id have to disagree with your statement redskinmike, we already let him go, The Saints let him go, and the Giants too. And I didn't see a slew of teams beating down his door to sign him now either. My point remains, he will be a downgrade from whomever time or roster spot he takes this year. I just wanted some kind of upgrade at that spot, which WYNN is not. Nor is he going to improve any at his ripe age either.

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They said at work this morning that he's also joining Joe Gibbs Racing, that's kinda cool

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[quote=SmootSmack;539896]They said at work this morning that he's also joining Joe Gibbs Racing, that's kinda cool[/quote]

Do you know in what capacity Smoot?

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Never mind. I see that he may go into marketing while he learns more about NASCAR. Renaldo seems like a genuine guy. The kind of person you would like to know.

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[quote=dmek25;539689]skins sign monty to a one year tender. really didnt know where to put this[/quote]
new thread would've been fine I guess

golston hasn't signed yet but says he will barring any unforeseen developments.. signed a waiver to work out with us, so that's good that he's already participating.. maybe he's hopeful someone will call him in for a few extra 100g's a year