Re: Michael Vick in Talks to Become PETA Spokesman
 

This is funny. However I called it back when he got into trouble that he would need to do some sort of commercials for PETA in order to win some people over and get back into the league. Perhaps even donate money but he has none. lol. Maybe he can strike a deal where part of his earnings go to PETA for like the next 3 yrs or something. I also figured the courts would put something in place that he had to be a spokesman for them, but last I heard PETA said they didn't want him as a spokesman. lol.

Oh well, good for him. Maybe he can finally put some of this behind him and get back into the league somewhere as a back up due to age.

Re: Michael Vick in Talks to Become PETA Spokesman
 

Wow, one extreme to another. PETA are some crazy mofo's and commit more controversy than dog fighting in its entirety. The only upside would be his constant involvement with the public would help to improve his image. As far as this debate about position is concerned, I am a huge Hokies fan and would love to see him as a QB somewhere. Even if he has to be a backup at first. He is an animal and has an intense work ethic and I think he could excel and be an asset to almost any team.

Re: Michael Vick in Talks to Become PETA Spokesman
 

[quote=skinsfan69;554757][/b]

[B]Did you ever stop and think that maybe some good will come of these ads? Maybe it will stop people from dog fighting cause they'll see the punishment if they're caught. I think it's a good idea.[/B][/quote]
I'm like truth, justice and the American way.........
Not deception, politcal correctness, and say whatever is necessary to generate some $$$$$-that is what his is about
bad guy=bad deal

Re: Michael Vick in Talks to Become PETA Spokesman
 

Vick scares me to death these days because he seems exactly like the type of guy Vinny would go after. "he was the best player available!!!" Thanks Vinny.

Re: Michael Vick in Talks to Become PETA Spokesman
 

What is the difference then an X gang member working with kids to keep them out of trouble then MV doing stuff with PETA. It is very common for people to do stuff like this after getting out of jail.

Re: Michael Vick in Talks to Become PETA Spokesman
 

[quote=Mattyk72;554855]I hope he gets another shot somewhere. I think the guy took more heat than he deserved. It would be interesting to see him come back as a WR or RB, because I honestly think coming back to play QB is going to be a steep uphill climb. He would probably need to ride the pine for a while.[/quote]

I could see him being a WR and/or KR/PR. He probably would've benefitted by becoming a WR or DB out of college. Still can't believe that he got the contract he did though, but yeah, he's done his time.

Re: Michael Vick in Talks to Become PETA Spokesman
 

[quote=Stuck in TX;554912]Wow, one extreme to another. PETA are some crazy mofo's and commit more controversy than dog fighting in its entirety. The only upside would be his constant involvement with the public would help to improve his image. As far as this debate about position is concerned, I am a huge Hokies fan and would love to see him as a QB somewhere. Even if he has to be a backup at first. He is an animal and has an intense work ethic and I think he could excel and be an asset to almost any team.[/quote]

PETA performs euthanasia at a higher rate than most shelters.

Re: Michael Vick in Talks to Become PETA Spokesman
 

[quote=skinsfan69;554755]Lighten up. He's paid his debt to society and hit rock bottom. He did a terrible thing but life moves on. He deserves another shot if someone is willing to give him one. No one is going to hand him anything. Look around the NFL at all the poor QB play. Teams are desperate to win and someone will probably give him a chance. Afterall Leonard Little is still playing.[/quote]

I don't see where I am too hard on him that I should "lighten up". I said if he can go through camp and win a job, then let him have it. The key is for him to WIN THE JOB. If he's good enough to be an NFL Qb for someone because he beat out the others, then let him play.

Re: Michael Vick in Talks to Become PETA Spokesman
 

[quote=53Fan;554722]The world gets stranger every day.[/quote]

This is actually mild for the nutjobs in PETA.

Re: Michael Vick in Talks to Become PETA Spokesman
 

[quote=tryfuhl;554941]PETA performs euthanasia at a higher rate than most shelters.[/quote]

Truth. They've been caught several times disposing of pets by the dumpster-full.

Sick hypocrites.

Re: Michael Vick in Talks to Become PETA Spokesman
 

[quote=tryfuhl;554941]PETA performs euthanasia at a higher rate than most shelters.[/quote]

Well dude, it's not like they have celebrities donating huge hordes of money......wait what?

Re: Michael Vick in Talks to Become PETA Spokesman
 

[quote=tdSKINS1;554864] And yes his last season he was coming into his own and becoming a better pocket passer. [/quote]

Sorry, don't mean to single you out cause others have expressed this too, but this makes me laugh. Just cause some announcers said it, and Vick himself got on TV after 1 decent game and tried to silence doubters doesn't mean ANYONE should have listened.
His last season he had a 52.5 comp%. Which was the WORST of his full seasons and 1.2% LOWER than his career average. (for his full seasons, here is how he "progressed": 54.9%, 56.4%, 55.3%, 52.6%...this hardly suggests he was coming into his own)
His last season he threw for only 154.6 yards per game. Which is about 1 yard LOWER than his career average, and one of the worst in the NFL.
His last season he took 45 sacks losing 303 yards (which was a career worst in yards lost). That was 12 MORE than his previous season, and for a mobile QB, that's a lot.
People ONLY see his running stats, and they are eye popping! But they skew your view of him as a QB. He is one of the most overrated qb's in history. His throwing ability is horrible, and I would have to wager that he didn't get better in prison.

About Vick / Tavaris comparisons: (keep in mind that was not my analogy, it was someone elses, I do not think Jackson compares to Vick or vice versa, just playing devils advocate)
In Vicks last 2 seasons he was 15-16. Tavaris Jackson, for instance, was 10-7.
Vick has a passing TD once every 1.0597 games started. Tavaris has a passing TD once every 1.0526 games started. Remarkably similar.
Vick career comp% is a disgustingly low 53.8%. Tavaris career comp% is 58.4%.
That being said, I do not think Tavaris Jackson is a servicable QB in the NFL, and I would rather have Vick simply for the running factor, but nothing provided shows that Vick was on his way, or is someone that should be given a shot to be QB again. If he had a QB coach in prison, then more power to him, maybe he got better. But I highly doubt it.

Re: Michael Vick in Talks to Become PETA Spokesman
 

There has got to be something else for us to talk about.....:bdh:

Re: Michael Vick in Talks to Become PETA Spokesman
 

[quote=REDSKIN1;554982]There has got to be something else for us to talk about.....:bdh:[/quote]

^someone call PETA. lol.

Re: Michael Vick in Talks to Become PETA Spokesman
 

[quote=REDSKIN1;554982]There has got to be something else for us to talk about.....:bdh:[/quote]

Great Derby race on Saturday. :)

Re: Michael Vick in Talks to Become PETA Spokesman
 

;) [url]http://www.speroforum.com/site/article.asp?id=13568[/url] ;)

Re: Michael Vick in Talks to Become PETA Spokesman
 

[quote=jsarno;554979]Sorry, don't mean to single you out cause others have expressed this too, but this makes me laugh. Just cause some announcers said it, and Vick himself got on TV after 1 decent game and tried to silence doubters doesn't mean ANYONE should have listened.
His last season he had a 52.5 comp%. Which was the WORST of his full seasons and 1.2% LOWER than his career average. (for his full seasons, here is how he "progressed": 54.9%, 56.4%, 55.3%, 52.6%...this hardly suggests he was coming into his own)
His last season he threw for only 154.6 yards per game. Which is about 1 yard LOWER than his career average, and one of the worst in the NFL.
His last season he took 45 sacks losing 303 yards (which was a career worst in yards lost). That was 12 MORE than his previous season, and for a mobile QB, that's a lot.
People ONLY see his running stats, and they are eye popping! But they skew your view of him as a QB. He is one of the most overrated qb's in history. His throwing ability is horrible, and I would have to wager that he didn't get better in prison.

About Vick / Tavaris comparisons: (keep in mind that was not my analogy, it was someone elses, I do not think Jackson compares to Vick or vice versa, just playing devils advocate)
In Vicks last 2 seasons he was 15-16. Tavaris Jackson, for instance, was 10-7.
Vick has a passing TD once every 1.0597 games started. Tavaris has a passing TD once every 1.0526 games started. Remarkably similar.
Vick career comp% is a disgustingly low 53.8%. Tavaris career comp% is 58.4%.
That being said, I do not think Tavaris Jackson is a servicable QB in the NFL, and I would rather have Vick simply for the running factor, but nothing provided shows that Vick was on his way, or is someone that should be given a shot to be QB again. If he had a QB coach in prison, then more power to him, maybe he got better. But I highly doubt it.[/quote]

Vick is the type of QB that you just can't judge him by passing stats. It's pointless. He's a pure 100% playmaker, as is Ben R. and McNabb. He'll never be Brady, Bress, Manning or Palmer. You bring up the W/L record but you fail to mention what happend to Atlanta when he wasn't on the playing field. The year he had a broken leg and missed time Atl. fell apart as they did the year before Matt Ryan came along. So that shows you his value. You also fail to mention that he got his team to the NFC Championship game and a divisional playoff game. To compare Jackson to Vick is pointless cause Vick is or was the better player. There was a reason Vick was the first pick in the draft and the highest paid player.

Re: Michael Vick in Talks to Become PETA Spokesman
 

[quote=skinsfan69;555003]Vick is the type of QB that you just can't judge him by passing stats. It's pointless. He's a pure 100% playmaker, as is Ben R. and McNabb. He'll never be Brady, Bress, Manning or Palmer. You bring up the W/L record but you fail to mention what happend to Atlanta when he wasn't on the playing field. The year he had a broken leg and missed time Atl. fell apart as they did the year before Matt Ryan came along. So that shows you his value. You also fail to mention that he got his team to the NFC Championship game and a divisional playoff game. To compare Jackson to Vick is pointless cause Vick is or was the better player. There was a reason Vick was the first pick in the draft and the highest paid player.[/quote]You seem to use the word playmaker synonymously to the way I would use the word underachiever, but I'll grant that in Vick's younger days, he was athletic enough to take a 3 win team to a 7 win team by himself.

It didn't take very long for NFL defenses to figure out that if you keep him behind his big guys in the backfield, he's not very useful.

Re: Michael Vick in Talks to Become PETA Spokesman
 

Atlanta is better off with Matt Ryan for the long run. What happened with Vick was a blessing in disguise.

Re: Michael Vick in Talks to Become PETA Spokesman
 

[quote=skinsfan69;555003]Vick is the type of QB that you just can't judge him by passing stats. It's pointless. He's a pure 100% playmaker, as is Ben R. and McNabb. He'll never be Brady, Bress, Manning or Palmer. You bring up the W/L record but you fail to mention what happend to Atlanta when he wasn't on the playing field. The year he had a broken leg and missed time Atl. fell apart as they did the year before Matt Ryan came along. So that shows you his value. You also fail to mention that he got his team to the NFC Championship game and a divisional playoff game. To compare Jackson to Vick is pointless cause Vick is or was the better player. There was a reason Vick was the first pick in the draft and the highest paid player.[/quote]

Point was, he was not coming into his own. The stats don't lie man.
You bring up Ben R. and McNabb. Two Vicks don't equal 1 of either of them. To show passing stats is not pointless...it shows his lack of skills as a QB. I said it before, and I'll say it again, Vick is a faster Kordell Stewart. He's not worthy of being under center unless he's going to run the ball every time.

Re: Michael Vick in Talks to Become PETA Spokesman
 

[quote=Mattyk72;555005]Atlanta is better off with Matt Ryan for the long run. What happened with Vick was a blessing in disguise.[/quote]

Absolutely.

Re: Michael Vick in Talks to Become PETA Spokesman
 

I liked Vick but always felt he was a 1 man show. I know the team had a lot of talent but it seemed that it either never jelled or something. Rumor was he was not a pocket passer type. So the coach's always found a way to roll him out, similar to the run and shoot. Warren Moon ring a bell? Then someone decided it was time to prove the pundits wrong and try to make him a pocket passer. Sometimes he looked good sometimes he looked like his old self running for his life and making a decent pass in between.

I think that by losing Vick the team actually was forced to work as a team and it showed as they made the play offs with their 1st yr coach and Rookie QB. The team has talent I just don't think they utilized all of it under Vick.

Re: Michael Vick in Talks to Become PETA Spokesman
 

[quote=firstdown;554937]What is the difference then an X gang member working with kids to keep them out of trouble then MV doing stuff with PETA. It is very common for people to do stuff like this after getting out of jail.[/quote]
The difference as I see it is this. The Gangbanger likely has little to gain monetarily by doing good will and more likely is generated from the heart. The same cannot be said for MV where there is a great deal of $$$$ involved, and he MUST have public approval to get there. MV, more than likely would not be doing all this feel good stuff without the $$$ involved

Re: Michael Vick in Talks to Become PETA Spokesman
 

Vick needs to think about this before he comes back:
Both him and Marcus will be eligible for the hall the same year right now! LOL

Re: Michael Vick in Talks to Become PETA Spokesman
 

I just don't see why everyone thinks he can't play the QB position. He goes to jail and I guess he loses his QB abilities? Yes he could play RB he could return some kicks, yes he can catch the football. But he plays QB so much better. Thats the only thing that confuses me about a lot of opinions on this.

Re: Michael Vick in Talks to Become PETA Spokesman
 

[quote=tdSKINS1;555059]I just don't see why everyone thinks he can't play the QB position. [b]He goes to jail and I guess he loses his QB abilities? [/b]Yes he could play RB he could return some kicks, yes he can catch the football. But he plays QB so much better. Thats the only thing that confuses me about a lot of opinions on this.[/quote]

Well, considering his QB abilities were worst in the league, or close to worst, why do you think he all of sudden becomes a good qb after being in prison?
Why also do people think that he still has his speed / illusiveness that made people THINK he was a good qb in the first place?

Re: Michael Vick in Talks to Become PETA Spokesman
 

[quote=tdSKINS1;555059]I just don't see why everyone thinks he can't play the QB position. [B]He goes to jail and I guess he loses his QB abilities?[/B] Yes he could play RB he could return some kicks, yes he can catch the football. But he plays QB so much better. Thats the only thing that confuses me about a lot of opinions on this.[/quote]

Yes. His greatest ability was his speed. People get slower as they get older and he's lost 2 years while in jail.

Besides, he could not have been practicing and working out at a high level. The NFL is very competitive, it requires year-round work, and no one can expect to take 2 years off and still be at the same level. And, sadly for him, his level in the passing game was already mediocre.

Re: Michael Vick in Talks to Become PETA Spokesman
 

[quote=jsarno;555061]Well, considering his QB abilities were worst in the league, or close to worst, why do you think he all of sudden becomes a good qb after being in prison?
Why also do people think that he still has his speed / illusiveness that made people THINK he was a good qb in the first place?[/quote]


elusiveness jsarno elusiveness, got you back

Re: Michael Vick in Talks to Become PETA Spokesman
 

How did he have the worst QB abilities in the league? I highly doubt that he only has been to multiple pro bowls and almost took the falcons to the Superbowl yea he is a bad QB sorry

Re: Michael Vick in Talks to Become PETA Spokesman
 

[quote=Lotus;555068]Yes. His greatest ability was his speed. People get slower as they get older and he's lost 2 years while in jail.

Besides, he could not have been practicing and working out at a high level. The NFL is very competitive, it requires year-round work, and no one can expect to take 2 years off and still be at the same level. And, sadly for him, his level in the passing game was already mediocre.[/quote]

Sadly for him? Dude are you an NFL talent evaluator. Of course its competitive of course its hard. But you actually think he has sat on his ass and not done anything to help his body out? OK I've heard so much on how is passing is whatever who gives a shit he still can win ball games he has proven that on so many occasions. He is a playmaker who cares how he gets it done. Throw all the statistics you want about how bad he is at passing who cares he still can win.

Re: Michael Vick in Talks to Become PETA Spokesman
 

[quote=GTripp0012;555004]You seem to use the word playmaker synonymously to the way I would use the word underachiever, but I'll grant that in Vick's younger days, he was athletic enough to take a 3 win team to a 7 win team by himself.

It didn't take very long for NFL defenses to figure out that if you keep him behind his big guys in the backfield, he's not very useful.[/quote]

Well I only use that word with a few QB's....McNabb, Ben R. and Vick. And I only use that word when people like you bring up every stat know to man kind in order to prove whether or not certain players are any good or not. And you're incorrect on the 7 win analogy.. he helped take a 3 win team and helped turn them into a playoff team.

Re: Michael Vick in Talks to Become PETA Spokesman
 

[quote=Mattyk72;555005]Atlanta is better off with Matt Ryan for the long run. What happened with Vick was a blessing in disguise.[/quote]

W/out question they're better off with Matt Ryan.

Re: Michael Vick in Talks to Become PETA Spokesman
 

[quote=skinsfan69;555084]W/out question they're better off with Matt Ryan.[/quote]

I don't understand your position. Vick is a quality qb and a playmaker that should start in the league. But the team that was built for and around him is better off with a second year qb? If he has the talent to be a playmaker, then Atlanta should be his best chance. Everywhere else he is being patched in to overcome another qb's deficiencies. (the Falcons are only 1 year removed from Vick, so they have not changed their player structure that much)

Re: Michael Vick in Talks to Become PETA Spokesman
 

[quote=jsarno;555007]Point was, he was not coming into his own. The stats don't lie man.
You bring up Ben R. and McNabb. Two Vicks don't equal 1 of either of them. To show passing stats is not pointless...it shows his lack of skills as a QB. I said it before, and I'll say it again, Vick is a faster Kordell Stewart. He's not worthy of being under center unless he's going to run the ball every time.[/quote]

As a pure pocket passer yes he was not coming into his own and he may never have. But that doesn't mean he wasn't an effective QB. When you total in his rushing yards, the pressure he puts on a defense, the way he makes rushers stay in their lanes, the way he tires out a defense from chasing him around, having to have an extra guy stay home and spy on him.....all these things really don't show up on passing stats but if you went around and asked NFL defensive players and coordinators they'd tell you he was a pretty effective player, pretty tough to defend but not a polished pocket guy. To say he's a faster Kordell may bit accurate but saying he's not worthy of being under center is just silly. We'll agree to disagree..

Re: Michael Vick in Talks to Become PETA Spokesman
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;555087]I don't understand your position. Vick is a quality qb and a playmaker that should start in the league. But the team that was built for and around him is better off with a second year qb? If he has the talent to be a playmaker, then Atlanta should be his best chance. Everywhere else he is being patched in to overcome another qb's deficiencies. (the Falcons are only 1 year removed from Vick, so they have not changed their player structure that much)[/quote]


atlanta is better suited with a passing qb, they were trying to make vick become more of a passing qb but it was not working. ryan is a great passer, therefor, a better fit for the falcons offense.

Re: Michael Vick in Talks to Become PETA Spokesman
 

[quote=tdSKINS1;555082]Sadly for him? Dude are you an NFL talent evaluator. Of course its competitive of course its hard. But you actually think he has sat on his ass and not done anything to help his body out? OK I've heard so much on how is passing is whatever who gives a shit [B]he still can win ball games he has proven that on so many occasions. He is a playmaker who cares how he gets it done[/B]. Throw all the statistics you want about how bad he is at passing who cares he still can win.[/quote]

No, he hasn't proven anything for two years. In the best scenario you need to change your claims from present tense to past tense.

Re: Michael Vick in Talks to Become PETA Spokesman
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;555087]I don't understand your position. Vick is a quality qb and a playmaker that should start in the league. But the team that was built for and around him is better off with a second year qb? If he has the talent to be a playmaker, then Atlanta should be his best chance. Everywhere else he is being patched in to overcome another qb's deficiencies. (the Falcons are only 1 year removed from Vick, so they have not changed their player structure that much)[/quote]

Atlanta has moved on and gone in a different direction. They've invested in Matt Ryan. And Vick has burned his bridges in Atlanta by lying to the owner. He'll never play there again. But SF might be a place for him. Or maybe Mora will take him back in Seattle to back up Hassleback. He's got Vick's old OC there so we'll see.

Re: Michael Vick in Talks to Become PETA Spokesman
 

[quote=wolfeskins;555090]atlanta is better suited [B]with a passing qb,[/B] they were trying to [B]make vick become more of a passing qb[/B] but it was not working. ryan is a great passer, therefor, a better fit for the falcons offense.[/quote]

Wow, I would have thought EVERY team is better suited with a passing quarterback, and you imply that Vick could not become a passing qb. Therefore, I would say Vick is not the best suited qb for any offense. Is McNabb NOT a passing qb? It is fine to be a qb that can run, or pressure the D that way, but unless a team wants a qb to handoff every time he has to be a passing qb. Vick never got that, and I doubt playing yardball for the last year or so, would have helped his game any. But then, Minnesota is talking to Favre so, hey, I'll believe anything.

Re: Michael Vick in Talks to Become PETA Spokesman
 

[quote=tdSKINS1;555080]How did he have the worst QB abilities in the league? I highly doubt that he only has been to multiple pro bowls and almost took the falcons to the Superbowl yea he is a bad QB sorry[/quote]


I forgive you

Re: Michael Vick in Talks to Become PETA Spokesman
 

[quote=skinsfan69;555089]As a pure pocket passer yes he was not coming into his own and he may never have. But that doesn't mean he wasn't an effective QB. When you total in his rushing yards, the pressure he puts on a defense, the way he makes rushers stay in their lanes, the way he tires out a defense from chasing him around, having to have an extra guy stay home and spy on him.....all these things really don't show up on passing stats but if you went around and asked NFL defensive players and coordinators they'd tell you he was a pretty effective player, pretty tough to defend but not a polished pocket guy. To say he's a faster Kordell may bit accurate but saying he's not worthy of being under center is just silly. We'll agree to disagree..[/quote]

Point well taken. I certainly understand your stance, but we have different fundamental beliefs on what a good / effective qb is. He is / was certainly someone that caused problems for defenses though. So you are correct, we will agree to disagree.