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[quote=WaldSkins;606497]Haha for some reason i thought GF was your grandfather[/quote]

:laughing2 That would be weird for him to say that.

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[quote=53Fan;606498]:laughing2 That would be weird for him to say that.[/quote]

Dude i'm a skins fan, a screw must be loose somewhere

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[quote=GridIron26;606495]Everyone else seem to forget about D. Thomas; he dropped the ball right when the ball hit him into his hand.. If he caught that ball, we more likely would have won the game..[/quote]

Yup. He's worth a finger point for sure. Our 3 "redshirt" pass catchers have been a gigantic disappointment. However who knows what their numbers look like if we have a half decent line?

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[quote=44Deezel;606496]I agree. I'd like to see Grimm paired with a good personnel guy. [B]The big name guys may lack the hunger that Grimm might bring[/B]. He could be the Offensive version of Mike Singletary, and he's got GLORY DAY REDSKIN DNA coursing through his veins. He would excite the "base" like no other. It's a Danny Boy cream his pants, wet dream special. Marketing glitz with actual results to go along with it.[/quote]

Good points Deezel. He might be agreeable to drafting some o-linemen too. :)

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[quote=GMScud;606500]Yup. He's worth a finger point for sure. Our 3 [B]"redshirt"[/B] pass catchers have been a gigantic disappointment. However who knows what their numbers look like if we have a half decent line?[/quote]

I'm going to use this at work all week. lmao

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[quote=GridIron26;606495]Everyone else seem to forget about D. Thomas; he dropped the ball right when the ball hit him into his hand.. If he caught that ball, we more likely would have won the game..[/quote]

No diggity. Inexcusable. BUT, the Skins should be able to score TDs without the Defense giving them the ball on the 40 and 1 foot line, right? Is at least 1 long drive against an 0-3 team too much to ask?

BTW, the G-men put up 44 on the Bucs. That is how bad we are. So what if DT catches that ball? Maybe we win, maybe we lose. Either way, we still blow chunks.

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[QUOTE=44Deezel;606509]No diggity. Inexcusable. BUT, the Skins should be able to score TDs without the Defense giving them the ball on the 40 and 1 foot line, right? Is at least 1 long drive against an 0-3 team too much to ask?

[B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B]BTW, the G-men put up 44 on the Bucs[/B]. That is how bad we are. So what if DT catches that ball? Maybe we win, maybe we lose. Either way, we still blow chunks.[/QUOT[/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B]


You mean the raiders

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[quote=wilsowilso;606492]U sure u aren't married?[/quote]

Been there done that. I've put the Smackdown on marriage for awhile. :)

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[quote=53Fan;606502]Good points Deezel. He might be agreeable to drafting some o-linemen too. :)[/quote]

Bet your ass he would. He knows the Skins Super Bowl teams won because of dominant O line play, good Defenses and whoever the hell they had available to suit up at QB, RB and WR. With the exception of the 1982 team. Riggins, of course, consumed the Dolphins with firebolts from his eyes and bolts of lightning from his arse.:headbange

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[quote=44Deezel;606519]Bet your ass he would. He knows the Skins Super Bowl teams won because of dominant O line play, good Defenses and whoever the hell they had available to suit up at QB, RB and WR. With the exception of the 1982 team. Riggins, of course, consumed the Dolphins with firebolts from his eyes and bolts of lightning from his arse.:headbange[/quote]

You're not William Wallace. William Wallace is 7 feet tall.

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[quote=44Deezel;606519]Bet your ass he would. He knows the Skins Super Bowl teams won because of dominant O line play, good Defenses and whoever the hell they had available to suit up at QB, RB and WR. With the exception of the 1982 team. Riggins, of course, consumed the Dolphins with firebolts from his eyes and bolts of lightning from his arse.:headbange[/quote]

Hell yeah! I'd love to see those days again. I'm so tired of this s**t.

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[quote=Lotus;606428]If Orakpo keeps up his recent pace, he'll end up with about 12 sacks.[/quote]

How about the sack they took away for him lining up in the neutral zone. That hurt to. Did the Panthers get points off that drive?

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[quote=WaldSkins;606512][QUOTE=44Deezel;606509]No diggity. Inexcusable. BUT, the Skins should be able to score TDs without the Defense giving them the ball on the 40 and 1 foot line, right? Is at least 1 long drive against an 0-3 team too much to ask?

[B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B]BTW, the G-men put up 44 on the Bucs[/B]. That is how bad we are. So what if DT catches that ball? Maybe we win, maybe we lose. Either way, we still blow chunks.[/QUOT[/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B]


You mean the raiders[/quote]

Yeah, sorry. I'm drunk. The iggles put 33 on the Bucs. Doesn't change the blow chunks part.

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[quote=WaldSkins;606504]I'm going to use this at work all week. lmao[/quote]

I put it in quotes because that's what Doc Walker has been calling them for a while. Wish I could take credit.

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[quote=44Deezel;606524][quote=WaldSkins;606512]

Yeah, sorry. I'm drunk. The iggles put 33 on the Bucs. [B]Doesn't change the blow chunks part[/B].[/quote]

Atleast you got it half right

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[quote=53Fan;606436]Imagine if he played primarily at DE.[/quote]

Orakpo has no business playing LB, he is a beast at getting to the QB. He is a liablity in pass coverage can't our coaches see that. Wait to Witten and Boss get a hold of him. Put him on the other side where Daniels is or something cause his talents are wasted dropping into coverage.:food-smil

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[quote=tdSKINS1;606480]Didn't Joe Gibbs also get a guy named Sean Taylor and Chris Cooley??[/quote]

He also got JC and Carlos Rogers

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[quote=skins89moss;606531]Orakpo has no business playing LB, he is a beast at getting to the QB. He is a liablity in pass coverage can't our coaches see that. Wait to Witten and Boss get a hold of him. Put him on the other side where Daniels is or something cause his talents are wasted dropping into coverage.:food-smil[/quote]

Or we could just play him at DE full time. Seems like every time he has a hand in the dirt he's either at the QB or breathing down his neck.

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[quote=GridIron26;606495]Everyone else seem to forget about D. Thomas; he dropped the ball right when the ball hit him into his hand.. If he caught that ball, we more likely would have won the game..[/quote]

He drop that pass but he did lay out for it. It would have been a very tough catch for a guy who can't start. I think Devin can have more positive impact than Kelly right now. Kelly is a ghost out there.

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I agree with moving Orakpo back to DE idea.. I don't understand why Blache still haven't.. Perhaps it's because we don't have anybody else to play SLB? But I'm sure Horton could take over the position.. Horton plays like LB when he's close to the scrimmage line.. We would have all best players on the field if we do those changes..

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[quote=skins89moss;606534]He drop that pass but he did lay out for it. It would have been a very tough catch for a guy who can't start. I think Devin can have more positive impact than Kelly right now. Kelly is a ghost out there.[/quote]

True, he did lay out for it.. It might, as well, should have been pass interference.. But the ball did hit right into his hands..

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[quote=44Deezel;606509]No diggity. Inexcusable. BUT, the Skins should be able to score TDs without the Defense giving them the ball on the 40 and 1 foot line, right? Is at least 1 long drive against an 0-3 team too much to ask?

BTW, the G-men put up 44 on the Bucs. That is how bad we are. So what if DT catches that ball? Maybe we win, maybe we lose. Either way, we still blow chunks.[/quote]

We had three possessions i know where penalties and not being able to get a couple of yards killed the drive. JC completed a 17 yard play that was brought by a penalty, the play where Beason stop Davis from getting two yards & the one where Davis went midair and almost fumbled. We got to find ways to keep drives going, but the first thing we need to do unless we are giving up on the season is call up some FA O-lineman ASAP!!!!

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[quote=44Deezel;606496]I agree. I'd like to see Grimm paired with a good personnel guy. The big name guys may lack the hunger that Grimm might bring. He could be the Offensive version of Mike Singletary, and he's got GLORY DAY REDSKIN DNA coursing through his veins. He would excite the "base" like no other. It's a Danny Boy cream his pants, wet dream special. Marketing glitz with actual results to go along with it.[/quote]
No more BS about bringing in guys from the past "days of glory" here. We brought Gibbs back with mixed results. Bugel stayed on after Gibbs left and hasn't really been to show us any magic with his O line now has he? As with the question about Zorn being able to be a HC, being a QB coach for 10 years, do you think Grimm would be any better? Why hasn't he been picked up for a HC position? You have heard his name popping up in the past for some jobs, but no hires. This is a new era, a whole new ballgame as to the one where Gibbs won it all 3 times. Trying to recapture a part of the glorious past might sell you some tickets for awhile, but it doesn't mean you are going to build a winner. Plus unlike Jack, who let the GM and co work their magic, you have little Danny managing his real life fantasy team.

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Also look at recent history of the Skins' coaches post Gibbs I. You have had 6 different men coaching(not counting Terry Robiskie since he only coached half a season) and only 2 of those(Marty, Coach Gibbs) had HC experience. Marty could have turned it around if not for him wanting the GM position, and Gibbs of course got us to the playoffs twice. Do you really want to play the odds on a newbie HC? Think about it of the newbies we hired as HC, Norv was the most competent one of the bunch. I mean Norv Turner, come on!!!? We land a Cowher or Shanny, or land the best OC out there for the HC. Hell, I would take Brian Billick if he wanted the job. If Grimm was so great his ass would have been a HC by now.

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[quote=Daseal;606366]I think Hall screwed up there, but Hall also saved the TD on 4th and goal on the 1. Definitely needs props for that.[/quote]

Do you remember a time when we used to swarm to the ball not just watch our team mates make the play by themselves? That was one thing we did under Gregg Williams. I remember him teaching that. Does anyone remember this but me? If you swram to the ball that doesn't happen and a lot of miss tackles don't end up being touchdowns if you swarm to the ball.

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I sure do when Greg came here our defense changed instanly. Our defense was all over the field flying around. We didn't let the offense dictate to us we dictated to them.

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Has anyone notice that our offense does not attack the defense. We play not to lose verses not to win. Zorn went into a shell when we had the lead and played not to lose.

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Where is Alridge to use him on some screen and toss plays?

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[quote=skins89moss;606667]Has anyone notice that our offense does not attack the defense. We play not to lose verses not to win. Zorn went into a shell when we had the lead and played not to lose.[/quote]

Did you notice unless i was taking a piss i only saw us throw the ball deep once the play DT dropped. Zorn did dial anymore than that but he ran his infamous stretch play in the endzone for a safety.

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[quote=Redskin Warrior;606675]Did you notice unless i was taking a piss i only saw us throw the ball deep once the play DT dropped. Zorn did dial anymore than that but he ran his infamous stretch play in the endzone for a safety.[/quote]

Yeah that stretch play was awful to call on the damn goaline. We did only throw deep 1 or 2 times. But JC was running for his freaking life bro. the LT ( he dont rate to know his name) and Heyer where getting beat like a drum. Cooley had to stay in to help the LT. Man I was hoping Samuels could have sucked it up and came back to play.

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The Redskins now find a way to lose games verses wining games. The Panthers had X-MAS come early because we gift wrap the win to them. Our defense ate their ground game up and they had only 1 drive on the long KR. Our defense just stop their offense again like we had been doing all game until the special teams unit gives them life. Thanks special teams for helping the Panthers get their 1st victory of the year. We continue to keep teams hanging around when we could have put them out of their misery. The Redskins always find a way to keep the game close no matter how poor the team they are playing. The Panthers had no offense and still put up 20 points. This means our offense is worst than a High School offense, it just stinks up the place. Sorry Redskins defense you came out and played today no thanks to the offense and 2 bad special teams plays. Greg Blache you are steping up keep them hungry and please rotate cause they will spen alot of time on the field this year.

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I was really disappointed in Hall - if you look carefully he missed [U]TWO tackles[/U] to end the game - first a 3rd down run (the RB pushed by him on a second effort) and then a 9 yard QB run. I guess the interception-TD makes up for it, but still -- learn to TACKLE. damn.

I still believe we could be a top-10 team with a good coach. We could be next year's comeback team -- like Miami 2008 or Denver 2009. The best analogy for this team is when I play Madden using the Colts and lose to the Rams -- because I call the wrong plays and don't execute them well. The team could be good, but we're playing like stink.

What I like about Shanahan is he won in Denver with a strong offensive line. If he comes I'd hope he drafts ALL offensive line. And maybe snag a franchise QB in the draft.

Btw, I thought Josh McDaniels was an idiot for getting rid of Cutler --> but he looks like a genius, at least for now. Good for him. Wish we had a good coach we could believe in..

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[B]Brian Orakpo - [/B]Man what a crappy draft pick. 2.5 sacks? 2.5 SACKS? That's it? Lets put things in perspective. Bruce Smith had 200. Michael Strahan had 141.5 and he wasn't even a 1st round pick!!!!!!! 2.5 career sacks is simply unacceptable. Can't believe I ever defended you and trust me you're not going to get into the hall of fame with 2.5 sacks.

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[quote=ethat001;606710]I was really disappointed in Hall - if you look carefully he missed [U]TWO tackles[/U] to end the game - first a 3rd down run (the RB pushed by him on a second effort) and then a 9 yard QB run. I guess the interception-TD makes up for it, but still -- learn to TACKLE. damn.

I still believe we could be a top-10 team with a good coach. We could be next year's comeback team -- like Miami 2008 or Denver 2009. The best analogy for this team is when I play Madden using the Colts and lose to the Rams -- because I call the wrong plays and don't execute them well. The team could be good, but we're playing like stink.

What I like about Shanahan is he won in Denver with a strong offensive line. If he comes I'd hope he drafts ALL offensive line. And maybe snag a franchise QB in the draft.

Btw, I thought Josh McDaniels was an idiot for getting rid of Cutler --> but he looks like a genius, at least for now. Good for him. Wish we had a good coach we could believe in..[/quote]

McDaniels came from a no player is bigger than the team attitude environment. The Pats let go of some good talent but there structure is so good it didn't matter. Brady is hurt no problem plug Cassell in we can go 11-5.

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[quote=Green1;606457][B]Zorn[/B]: College offensive passing game. He needs to go b4 we lose to KC.
[B]Stephon Heyer[/B]: You're right on this point, but you left out Batiste.
Bryon Westbrook: Just a dumb play.
[B]DeAngelo Hall[/B]: He needs to work on his tackling. Tackling Drills All Next Week.
[B]Joe Gibbs[/B]: Not to blame at all, this is still Gibbs team, Zorn has the D and the running plays from Gibbs, the problem is the passing game, and playcalling. Look at the good players that he brought in.
[B]Orakpo[/B]: Good player at DE, they need the let him play DE not linebacker. King beat him for the touchdown, Zorn is HC he needs to change that today.
[B]Derek Anderson goes 2-17[/B]: And people say JC is a bad QB, look at the alternatives.
I'm open for almost anyone to come in as HC now, Grimm or almost anyone from the Gibbs coaching tree.[/quote]

Horton, Moore, Tryon, Hall, Jarmon, Orakpo, Haynesworth...Gibbs didn't bring any of those guys in.

I understand that it's easy to just say all blame goes to Cerrato and all credit goes to Gibbs...but let's be real here. Yes, Gibbs brought in some great players and did some great thing his second time around. But he did also make some big personnel blunders (I didn't even mention the Campbell trade which wasn't just a swap of first rounders and could end up being a blunder as well) that have negatively impacted us. There's no getting around that

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^ Gibbs 2.0 was a failure for the most part but it was exiciting to have he come back.

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No one has mentioned Mike Sellers. He got called out big time by Brian Billick for his non-blocking on the safety and for last weeks goalline non block. I guess none of our coaches mentioned how to block to him last week b/c he did the same thing this week. He tried to run around the corner instead of blocking the first person he came accross. I guess that's what CP was trying to tell the coaches.

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[quote=mredskins;606734]^ Gibbs 2.0 was a failure for the most part but it was exiciting to have he come back.[/quote]

Hm i am not sure it was a failure. I thought it was a bit above average. He got some great players beside the crappy ones. We also made it to the playoffs a couple times, with seemingly lackluster talent. You have to put that on coaching and discipline.

Gibbs 2.0 ran way better than the mess we have now. I love the Zman, but as SS said it is clear he in over his head. He isn't getting the best out of his players, some horrendous playcalling along with bad game management.

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[quote=redsk1;606748]No one has mentioned Mike Sellers. He got called out big time by Brian Billick for his non-blocking on the safety and for last weeks goalline non block. I guess none of our coaches mentioned how to block to him last week b/c he did the same thing this week. He tried to run around the corner instead of blocking the first person he came accross. I guess that's what CP was trying to tell the coaches.[/quote]

Yep -- I don't know what's happened to him. Other than the fact that he just got a raise...

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[quote=hooskins;606754]Hm i am not sure it was a failure. I thought it was a bit above average. He got some great players beside the crappy ones. We also made it to the playoffs a couple times, with seemingly lackluster talent. You have to put that on coaching and discipline.

Gibbs 2.0 ran way better than the mess we have now. I love the Zman, but as SS said it is clear he in over his head. He isn't getting the best out of his players, some horrendous playcalling along with bad game management.[/quote]


Right now this is just the extension of the Gibbs 2.0, for the most part this team is what Gibbs built, esipically on offense.

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[quote=mredskins;606772]Right now this is just the extension of the Gibbs 2.0, for the most part this team is what Gibbs built, esipically on offense.[/quote]

Are you taking about the players or the offensive plays? Sure the run game is quite similar, but it worked a hell of a lot better with Gibbs. Also minus the two-timeout botch, Gibbs did a pretty good job in management.

Also he kept a team together, after a couple terrible starts; I highly doubt Zorn has that ability. If we lose next week the players are going to start giving up on him. We can already see the impacts of the lack of discipline both at Skins park and during games.

Yeah Gibbs player eval did have some flaws, but he got Cooley, Landry, Sean Taylor. I put a decent amount of blame on the FO this year, but Gibbs 2.0 owns Zorn any day IMO.