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I would bet any coach looking at this roster would take one look at the D and say, I can work with that unit. The offense needs work, but I can win games with this D. No need to make changes just for the sake of change.

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Don't piss on the D. If the Offense could stay on the field for more than 3 downs than the D would shut teams down.

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[quote=hail_2_da_skins;611856]NO, I'm not giving the defense a free pass. This so called top 5 defense can't get off the field when it counts. They have played 5 of the worse teams in football and I'm not seeing a dominating effort. They are losing the time of possession battle and defense on third down is not that good. If they are a top 5 defense they should be creating easy scoring opportunities for the offense as opposed to allowing teams to hold onto the ball forever.[/quote]

Yeah...we could technically have an average defense that has just kicked the asses of weaker opponents.

We'll have a better list of defensive members who'll look like they can stay when the season is done I guess.

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This really is simple, there is only one step required:

1. Muster all the resources you have left to hire the very best GM possible. Include in the contract that they have 100% autonomy for X number of years where the owner will only request to be informed but will have no other day to day responsibilities.

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I would keep Jim Zorn, he is not over his head he just tried to do everything with the offense, His job is to be the HC, not the OC or signal caller. I would keep him to keep some sort of continuity on the offense (something that this team has lacked for a long time). Next I would hire Mike Holmgren to be the GM and give him total control of all personnel decisions. Hiring Holmgren would not only help bring in the right talent, but he would be a security blanket to Zorn. Everybody works better when they feel secure about their situation. Lastly, I would let Vinny Cerrato stick around and milk me for my money for a little while longer...every billionaire needs a good "Yes man" and a racquetball partner (Mr Burns and Smithers).

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Much of the youth & talent on the team is on defense. That side of the ball has been rebuilt since the disaster year of 06. Fletcher will have to replaced soon, maybe he's got 1 more year. Guys like Daniels & Wynn, Griff, they're not likely to be here next year even if this team wins 10 in a row to go 12-4!

Overall, the d has a strong core of guys at or near their prime, while the offense has several old guys that can't make it & several young guys that would have a hard time cracking any nfl starting lineup. It may sound crazy, but the positions that arguably could be left alone are wr & TE. I say that knowing full well what a disappointment Davis, Kelly & Thomas have been to this point. At least for another year the prudent thing to do would be focus on the O line & see if the kids develop as playmakers.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;611764]Guys like Fletcher and Haynesworth can't really afford to be on standby for the next 2 to 3 years.

The stress for our solution should be to rebuild. Though there may be some holdovers, ultimately our offense and defense should look drastically different when we are done.


Enough with the patchwork solutions. Bring in players that our next coach will need in his personally crafted scheme and not that of our previous coach.[/quote]

I disagree in blowing up the Defense. This is a pretty young unit, and is only one or two players away from being elite. It may be time to make Jerry Gray the DC and let him have his way with the staff so that side of the ball is completely in his image.

Offense should be gutted and rebuilt for sure.

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[quote=Mattyk72;611857]I would bet any coach looking at this roster would take one look at the D and say, I can work with that unit. The offense needs work, but I can win games with this D. No need to make changes just for the sake of change.[/quote]My question is: what do you do with Fletcher? He's still a very productive player (not as good as last year), and absolutely critical for this defense to be above average. But he has two years left on his contract, they're expensive years, and he will be 35 next season. With Orakpo pretty much requiring a move to DL, that entire unit needs to be rebuilt.

So how many draft resources do you put in that position considering how much help the O needs? And with Fletcher, who is a pretty darn good player who we are still losing with, do you cut bait with him at the end of the year and just let the defense take it's lumps?

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[quote=drew54;611869]I disagree in blowing up the Defense. This is a pretty young unit, and is only one or two players away from being elite. It may be time to make Jerry Gray the DC and let him have his way with the staff so that side of the ball is completely in his image.

Offense should be gutted and rebuilt for sure.[/quote]


What???

You want coaching members from this regime on our team next year when the new coach comes on???

Were you by any chance in the Snyder's suite on Sunday?

Just to clarify I'm talking about next year when Jim Zorn is long gone, along with Vinny hopefully, and new head coach comes to town with his own staff, which is traditionally done by head coaches although you wouldn't see that as a Skins fan because of our bass-ackwards front office.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;611872]What???

You want coaching members from this regime on our team next year when the new coach comes on???

Were you by any chance in the Snyder's suite on Sunday?

Just to clarify I'm talking about next year when Jim Zorn is long gone, along with Vinny hopefully, and new head coach comes to town with his own staff, which is traditionally done by head coaches although you wouldn't see that as a Skins fan because of our bass-ackwards front office.[/quote]

Yea, hopefully that will be the decision our new GM and coach make. After all, we've been down that road before. I like Jerry Gray too but thats the decision of the new coach/Gm.

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[quote=GTripp0012;611871]My question is: what do you do with Fletcher? He's still a very productive player (not as good as last year), and absolutely critical for this defense to be above average. But he has two years left on his contract, they're expensive years, and he will be 35 next season. With Orakpo pretty much requiring a move to DL, that entire unit needs to be rebuilt.

So how many draft resources do you put in that position considering how much help the O needs? And with Fletcher, who is a pretty darn good player who we are still losing with, do you cut bait with him at the end of the year and just let the defense take it's lumps?[/quote]

I think you can get by another season with Fletcher.

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[quote=Mattyk72;611882]I think you can get by another season with Fletcher.[/quote]

I'd say just one more. I noticed Blades got about a series or so in the 1st half yesterday. I wondered if they're just trying to spell LF a little.

I don't think Blades is a long-term answer at MLB for this d, but come next year we might be seeing a 3-4 for all we know.

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[quote=Mattyk72;611882]I think you can get by another season with Fletcher.[/quote]

Under our current conditions I think it's unfair to Fletcher who is in the phase of his career where he wants to help a team win a Super Bowl. He's not really playing for the money at this point and I'm sure he'd like to prove to the league that he is an asset.

I feel bad enough for the guy where I don't want to stricken him with our team's prospects for the next 2 years.

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I'd fire Zorn and Vinny. There's no reason that Vinny should be able to keep his job at this point. Appoint Jerry Gray as interim HC, appoint Morocco Brown as interim GM and start the search now for someone to come into the front office by December 1st and evaluate to set the course for the franchise in 2010 and beyond.

Anything else would be an exercise in futility.

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For those who want to rip apart the defense, consider this:

Redskins average time of possession: 27:04 (29th overall, dead last in NFC)
Redskins 1st Downs/Game: 15.7 (29th overall, next to last in NFC, thanks San Fran)

Meanwhile, the Defense is 5th overall in Total Yards allowed and Points Allowed and that's with 2 teams ahead of them that have played 5 games (Denver plays tonight, Eagles have already had their bye). Considering the amount of time they spend on the field, they can only be stretched so thin.

Now, I do realize there are a few holes on D, but those can be fairly easily filled going forward, and still stay successful with the current coaching staff or if Gray is promoted to DC if/when Blache retires.

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I present to you, the 10 step plan for success:

1.) GM -- must have total authority on everything
2.) Scouting -- gotta be able to make our draft effective
3.) Coaching -- defense-minded, motivator
4.) Clear out overpriced players -- value is EVERYTHING
5.) Build the lines -- 80% draft/20% FA
6.) Build the defense -- stop the run first, then the pass; I'd love to see 3-4
7.) Skill positions -- DB, QB, RB, WR, TE (in that order)
8.) Cheaper beer and free peanuts at FedEx
9.) Change my wardrobe to look like less of a chode
10.) Use less gel in my hair

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[quote=Skinny Tee;611888]Under our current conditions I think it's unfair to Fletcher who is in the phase of his career where he wants to help a team win a Super Bowl. He's not really playing for the money at this point and I'm sure he'd like to prove to the league that he is an asset.

I feel bad enough for the guy where I don't want to stricken him with our team's prospects for the next 2 years.[/quote]

Well he's under contract and he chose to sign here. I can't feel too bad for him, he's well compensated.

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maybe getting fletch to the pro-bowl can be our bright spot this year. with all our offensive three n outs, the D is getting alot of opportunities to make tackles.

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I would also do some due dilengence to see of Jeff Fisher is on the hot seat and might be out in Tenn. He's been there a long time and sometimes people need a change.

Re: You're Dan Snyder, what's your move?
 

[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;611911]I present to you, the 10 step plan for success:

1.) GM -- must have total authority on everything
2.) Scouting -- gotta be able to make our draft effective
[B]3.) Coaching -- defense-minded, motivator[/B]
4.) Clear out overpriced players -- value is EVERYTHING
5.) Build the lines -- 80% draft/20% FA
6.) Build the defense -- stop the run first, then the pass; I'd love to see 3-4
[B]7.) Skill positions -- DB, QB, RB, WR, TE (in that order)[/B]
8.) Cheaper beer and free peanuts at FedEx
9.) Change my wardrobe to look like less of a chode
10.) Use less gel in my hair[/quote]

Explain to me why these would be priorities for you. Why a defensive minded head coach, especially with our 2 decade dearth of offense?

As to the positions, we've drafted DB the past 2 years, why would that be your #1 priority?

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If I'm Snyder I call up Mike Shanahan and offer him a whole lot of money and give him the keys to the Kingdom. Let him run everything!!

Re: You're Dan Snyder, what's your move?
 

[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;611911]I present to you, the 10 step plan for success:

1.) GM -- must have total authority on everything
2.) Scouting -- gotta be able to make our draft effective
3.) Coaching -- defense-minded, motivator
4.) Clear out overpriced players -- value is EVERYTHING
5.) Build the lines -- 80% draft/20% FA
6.) Build the defense -- stop the run first, then the pass; I'd love to see 3-4
7.) Skill positions -- DB, QB, RB, WR, TE (in that order)
8.) Cheaper beer and free peanuts at FedEx
9.) Change my wardrobe to look like less of a chode
10.) Use less gel in my hair[/quote]

Those things will only be possible if my steps are followed.

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[quote=Paintrain;611976]Explain to me why these would be priorities for you. Why a defensive minded head coach, especially with our 2 decade dearth of offense?

As to the positions, we've drafted DB the past 2 years, why would that be your #1 priority?[/quote]

In short: I think defense matters more than offense. Look at the Ravens and Bucs Superbowl teams.

I'd build the defense first, and focus on stopping the run. After that, the only thing left on defense is DBs really, so naturally they'd come first in a defense-first approach. I'm not saying defense is our biggest problem, but it should take precedence over offense IMO.

As for the other skill positions, the QB just needs to be a guy who can execute the game-plan and minimize mistakes (think Dilfer and Johnson) -- anything more is gravy. Then, we need a RB who can read holes and get a few yards when we need it most. He doesn't have to be fast or agile -- just good enough to move the ball.

This is the way to build a contender, IMO. I think it's counter-productive to just say, well our problems are on offense so let's just focus everything there. We need to have a plan and stick to it -- not just react all the time to the latest batch of problems. Of course, this is not the only plan for success, just the one I think is most likely to succeed.

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Let it be known Skinsfan69 was the first to fire over the bow.....

Hail:
[B][I]"1. Fire Vinny and the entire coaching staff at the end of the year. No use firing them sooner, things are not going to get any better."[/I][/B]

If I had a GM already in mind or someone I wanted I'd pick him up now unless they were committed to another team till seasons end. Why, cause I would give him the rest of the season to evaluate the players we have and make an informed decision as to who to keep and who to let go/cut when the CAP goes bye, bye.

[B][I]"3. The Redskins should completely rebuild their offense. The only keeper in my book is Chris Cooley, maybe Santana Moss if the contract is right. Everyone else is expendable."[/I][/B]

I keep hearing this, "Cooley is the only keeper" or "Cooley and Moss are the only keepers." Why? Although Moss is our only WR producing right now it's cause JC is afraid to go anywhere else with the ball. He leans heavily on Moss and Cooley. I'll keep Cooley, but Moss is getting old, always injured with groin injury or hammy at some point in the yr and takes plays off in the sense he sometimes won't finish his routes.

The keepers: Offense-
[B]RB-[/B]Mason, Alridge.
[B]FB-[/B]Eddie Williams. Pick up in FA or Draft.
[B]TE-[/B]Cooley, Davis.
[B]WR-[/B]Kelly, Thomas, Mitchell.
[B]OL-[/B]W.Montgomery, Rinehart and R.Williams I would make Guards. E.Williams I would keep at center for developement. I'd draft a LT and a RT and bring in a bunch of UFA's.
[B]QB-[/B]See if Colt fits whatever scheme we are running if not cut. See what Woodson has to offer. Cut Collins. Most likely JC is pissed at how he has been handled this last yr so I imagine he's going elsewhere, plus I doubt he would take a pay cut and be a back up.

Defense-
[B]S-[/B]Doughty, Horton, Landry, Moore, Holmes.
[B]CB-[/B]Hall, Barnes, Tryon, Westbrook. Rogers most likely will think he's a #1 shut down corner and will want more money, but needs to be a nickle(he's a carbon copy of Smoot). Pick up another shut down CB either FA or Draft. cut the rest.
[B]LB-[/B]Blades, Henson, McIntosh, Bowen. Cut the rest and bring in UFA's.
[B]DE-[/B]Jarmon, Orakpo, Wilson, Jackson, Skolnitsky. Look for a couple of UFA's.
[B]DT-[/B]Alexander, Golston, Haynesworth. pick up a couple in FA or Draft.

My plan is based off of shedding the dead wood and bringing in younger faster healthier players. There would be a lot of spots to fill but trying to get a bunch of young guys to build cohesiveness in the trenches and play like a team for yrs to come.

I think a lot of our problems are with the positional coach's who don't or didn't have NFL experience prior to arriving. There is no such thing as developing players here, especially at WR. Our WR's are not trash, it's just how they are being taught how to do their jobs.

and like you said start building through the draft. As well as bringing in coach's that know what they are doing.

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[quote=GTripp0012;611871][B]My question is: what do you do with Fletcher?[/B] He's still a very productive player (not as good as last year), and absolutely critical for this defense to be above average. But he has two years left on his contract, they're expensive years, and he will be 35 next season. With Orakpo pretty much requiring a move to DL, that entire unit needs to be rebuilt.

So how many draft resources do you put in that position considering how much help the O needs? And with Fletcher, who is a pretty darn good player who we are still losing with, do you cut bait with him at the end of the year and just let the defense take it's lumps?[/quote]

Blades has been here for a few years studying under Fletcher, he was a stud at Pittsburgh and he's probably ready to fill in and play well.

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On a side note something interesting from Rich Gannon. ....

[url=http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?t=304832]Sirius Radio: Rich Gannon's Take on Lewis Calling Plays - EXTREMESKINS.com[/url]

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[quote=BDBohnzie;611898]For those who want to rip apart the defense, consider this:

Redskins average time of possession: 27:04 (29th overall, dead last in NFC)
Redskins 1st Downs/Game: 15.7 (29th overall, next to last in NFC, thanks San Fran)

Meanwhile, the Defense is 5th overall in Total Yards allowed and Points Allowed and that's with 2 teams ahead of them that have played 5 games (Denver plays tonight, Eagles have already had their bye). Considering the amount of time they spend on the field, they can only be stretched so thin.

Now, I do realize there are a few holes on D, but those can be fairly easily filled going forward, and still stay successful with the current coaching staff or if Gray is promoted to DC if/when Blache retires.[/quote]

People that want to tear apart the defense don't know what they're talking about. They just want change cause they're pissed. lol.

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[quote=SBXVII;612017]On a side note something interesting from Rich Gannon. ....

[URL="http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?t=304832"]Sirius Radio: Rich Gannon's Take on Lewis Calling Plays - EXTREMESKINS.com[/URL][/quote]

yeah he pretty much is dead on. he was also very critical of jc during the game. "he's late with the ball, his footwork is sloppy and he locks in on one wr".

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[quote=skinsfan69;612018]People that want to tear apart the defense don't know what they're talking about. They just want change cause they're pissed. lol.[/quote]

Yeah I don't agree with tearing it apart, but I do agree with getting rid of the older players. If Blache is not going to continue his roll and wants to retire due to age then hopefully his Asst. understands the system enough to keep it in place. This defense is keeping other teams for the most part below 20 points every game. It's our offenses lack of keeping the ball or scoring ability that is not helping us.

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[quote=skinsfan69;612014]Blades has been here for a few years studying under Fletcher, he was a stud at Pittsburgh and he's probably ready to fill in and play well.[/quote]I think Blades is the next MLB for us (probably another Pierce), but I think it's a move that comes with a significant scheme change away from trying to funnel the run play to the MLB.

And for that, I think we need upgrades at SLB and WLB.

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[quote=malo12124;611987]If I'm Snyder I call up Mike Shanahan and offer him a whole lot of money and give him the keys to the Kingdom. Let him run everything!![/quote]


Is Elway coming too? Because Shanahan was pretty average without him.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;611872]What???

You want coaching members from this regime on our team next year when the new coach comes on???

Were you by any chance in the Snyder's suite on Sunday?

Just to clarify I'm talking about next year when Jim Zorn is long gone, along with Vinny hopefully, and new head coach comes to town with his own staff, which is traditionally done by head coaches although you wouldn't see that as a Skins fan because of our bass-ackwards front office.[/quote]

Defense isn't the problem here. I would think the new coach would see that, similar to how John Harbaugh didn't fire Rex Ryan in Baltimore. Problem here is Offense, and has been since Norv left.

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Well my opinion today probably isn't the same as it was a month ago and may not be the same in a month from now. This is not an easy problem to fix. But I'll give it a shot.

1. Let Zorn go...now. Stop this charade. Put him out of his misery. It's the NFL. It's his first head coaching gig. He'll find a job again sooner than later. For now though, there is no benefit of keeping him around.

2. At the end of the season "Promote" Vinny Cerrato to EVP Strategic Iniatitives Red Zone Capital, LLC. Snyder doesn't want to get rid of Cerrato altogether, that's fine, that's his pregorative. But he needs to bear responsibility here, especially for hiring Zorn and putting him in this position. I'll give him some bogus title and tell him I want him to "map out the long-term plan for my investments" or something like that.

3. Just say no to any of the big names out there, meaning Holmgren/Cowher/Gruden/Shanahan. Stop trying to impress people with a big splash hire. I'll do my research...and my research should show that there are flaws with all of them. And they would be expensive flaws.

4. (I've been wavering on this one, going back and forth on a lot of names) I give Floyd Reese a call and say I want to name you "President Football Operations" and I want you to find a strong General Manager (I'd suggest Jimmy Raye III) to help you shape the roster and together I want the two of you to find me a head coach that can be here for a long time with you

5. I would tell Scott Campbell and Morocco Brown and the scouts that they have two options a) Resign now and try to find work elsewhere or b) You can stick around and take a chance that the new guy in charge (and it won't be any of you) want to keep you around, but it will be up to them

6. I would do the same with the coaching staff. But due to his long tenure with the club, I would make an exception with Buges. Again I'd probably come up with some bogus title but I would offer him a role within the organization.

7. Step back and let Reese and company do the work

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[quote=SmootSmack;612055]Well my opinion today probably isn't the same as it was a month ago and may not be the same in a month from now. This is not an easy problem to fix. But I'll give it a shot.

1. Let Zorn go...now. Stop this charade. Put him out of his misery. It's the NFL. It's his first head coaching gig. He'll find a job again sooner than later. For now though, there is no benefit of keeping him around.

2. At the end of the season "Promote" Vinny Cerrato to EVP Strategic Iniatitives Red Zone Capital, LLC. Snyder doesn't want to get rid of Cerrato altogether, that's fine, that's his pregorative. But he needs to bear responsibility here, especially for hiring Zorn and putting him in this position. I'll give him some bogus title and tell him I want him to "map out the long-term plan for my investments" or something like that.

3. Just say no to any of the big names out there, meaning Holmgren/Cowher/Gruden/Shanahan. Stop trying to impress people with a big splash hire. I'll do my research...and my research should show that there are flaws with all of them. And they would be expensive flaws.

4. (I've been wavering on this one, going back and forth on a lot of names) I give Floyd Reese a call and say I want to name you "President Football Operations" and I want you to find a strong General Manager (I'd suggest Jimmy Raye III) to help you shape the roster and together I want the two of you to find me a head coach that can be here for a long time with you

5. I would tell Scott Campbell and Morocco Brown and the scouts that they have two options a) Resign now and try to find work elsewhere or b) You can stick around and take a chance that the new guy in charge (and it won't be any of you) want to keep you around, but it will be up to them

6. I would do the same with the coaching staff. But due to his long tenure with the club, I would make an exception with Buges. Again I'd probably come up with some bogus title but I would offer him a role within the organization.

7. Step back and let Reese and company do the work[/quote]

Can you fax this to Snyder???? lol.

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[quote=drew54;612046]Defense isn't the problem here. I would think the new coach would see that, similar to how John Harbaugh didn't fire Rex Ryan in Baltimore. Problem here is Offense, and has been since Norv left.[/quote]

The problem here is that we haven't cleaned house since 2004 Joe Gibbs 2.0.

It's great that these guys are playing well but we are playing the worst offenses in the league. Let's play our divisional games and our Saints game before we hoist up the Best Defense in the League Lombardi.

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Snyder likes to repeatedly kick grown men in the d!ck as punishment for his failures because:

1) That's as high as he can reach
2) He feels deficient in that area
3) There's new d!ck out there to hire and kick, and time's a waistin'
4) All of the above

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[quote=Skinny Tee;612059]The problem here is that we haven't cleaned house since 2004 Joe Gibbs 2.0.

It's great that these guys are playing well but we are playing the worst offenses in the league. Let's play our divisional games and our Saints game before we hoist up the Best Defense in the League Lombardi.[/quote]

Teams don't always have to Clean House.

I completely agree that we need to see them play some other teams before we crown their ass.

I still don't think you will see them get rid of young players for the sake of cleaning house.

I think you will see our starters next year be:
Jarmon, Haynesworth, Golston, Carter
Orakpo, Fletcher, McIntosh/Wilson
Hall, Landry, Horton/Doughty, and Free Agent/Rookie

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[quote=skinsfan69;612018]People that want to tear apart the defense don't know what they're talking about. They just want change cause they're pissed. lol.[/quote]

Sounds familiar for change in DC. :Flush:

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[quote=drew54;612104]Teams don't always have to Clean House.

I completely agree that we need to see them play some other teams before we crown their ass.

I still don't think you will see them get rid of young players for the sake of cleaning house.

I think you will see our starters next year be:
Jarmon, Haynesworth, Golston, Carter
Orakpo, Fletcher, McIntosh/Wilson
Hall, Landry, Horton/Doughty, and [B]Free Agent/Rookie[/B][/quote]
Why not Barnes or Tryon?

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[quote=Paintrain;612136]Why not Barnes or Tryon?[/quote]

Oversite, I did leave them off. Hopefully they pan out. Both appear to have a ways to go, but you never know.