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On a note only remotely related to Jason Campbell, I'm watching all the game film I missed in the busy period last year now, and I've got to say: Twinkle Toes Yoder has to be the worst blocking TE in NFL history. He can't even engage a defender without going to his knees. They used him as a lead blocking fullback on one play, and he hit Akeem Jordan (I think), and bounced a yard backward and fell down. Jordan was stationary and Yoder had a head of steam.

He's also a phenomenal goal line receiver.

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We did get rid of Yoder didn't we?

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Also a potential definition of clutch, passing under pressure:

[url=http://www.footballoutsiders.com/extra-points/2010/best-and-worst-quarterbacks-under-pressure]FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | The Best (and Worst) Quarterbacks Under Pressure[/url]

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[quote=GTripp0012;718375]Campbell will probably be expected to best that, and for good reason: he's a lot better than both those guys.[/quote]
No way Campbell sucks put in Colt!
[quote=GTripp0012;718383]
[url=http://www.footballoutsiders.com/extra-points/2010/best-and-worst-quarterbacks-under-pressure]FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | The Best (and Worst) Quarterbacks Under Pressure[/url][/quote]
Those figures must be wrong because um Campbell sucks and he,lol, caused the pressures.

J/K

Good info!

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[quote=The Goat;718198]This is the least insightful post i've read in a long time. There's no reason to believe JC can't have success in the NFL. He played in one of the toughest football markets (especially for a QB) w/ easily one of the worst o-lines year after year. Very, very few QBs would have been successful in his position.

Oakland gives him a fresh start. He'll improve over last year a little above his historical trend line, which means he'll have a very solid season. And...he's still one of the highest character guys in the game.

...nonetheless our current QB is a super high character guy and knows how to win. McNabb is a franchise talent. Let's all hope he's got a few great years left.[/quote]

There were tons of reasons to think JC won't have success in the NFL. It's one thing to be optimistic but be a little realistic. Are you implying the raiders are a better team then the Redskins so he will do better this year? How else could you think he will do better?

I hope he does well, just don't see it happening.

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Blache really called good defensive games when Hall wasn't in the lineup. Actually, that's pretty much true of 2008 as well.

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:) make super...

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/11/al-davis-this-years-raiders-are-like-the-1980-super-bowl-champs/]Al Davis: This year's Raiders are like the 1980 Super Bowl champs | ProFootballTalk.com[/url]

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[quote=skinsfaninok;719083][URL="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/11/al-davis-this-years-raiders-are-like-the-1980-super-bowl-champs/"]Al Davis: This year's Raiders are like the 1980 Super Bowl champs | ProFootballTalk.com[/URL][/quote]

I don't see a Cliff Branch type of wr in the Oakland line up. Davis is being optimistic and I think Oak has had a good off season but I don't think they're even a playoff team. But they should be better plus they play in weak division.

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[quote=skinsfan69;719088]I don't see a Cliff Branch type of wr in the Oakland line up. Davis is being optimistic and I think Oak has had a good off season but I don't think they're even a playoff team. But they should be better plus they play in weak division.[/quote]

No, Davis is being senile.

They could push for a WC spot with luck and health though...or a total collapse by the Chargers.

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LOL Al thinks JC could take that team to a SB?????? Good Luck

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[quote=skinsfaninok;719124]LOL Al thinks JC could take that team to a SB?????? Good Luck[/quote]

Or his new QB, Colt. The timing of this prediction...

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[quote=skinsfaninok;719124]LOL Al thinks JC could take that team to a SB?????? Good Luck[/quote]


He must not have ever watched any Campbell game tape. I am not even going to waste my time reading the article.

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You guys may want to tread lightly with all this anti JC talk. I get blasted something serious whenever I speak the truth,...or at least my truth about that guy. Buuuuuuut who knows maybe some of you all were going on me for saying he was a bum. But Hey, give him a shot.

Seriously though, I don't give a hell what he does out there. He should've done it here, but he never got a shot though right guys ????

Bum ass Farger !!!!

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;719160]He must not have ever watched any Campbell game tape. I am not even going to waste my time reading the article.[/quote]

Well, it IS Al Davis...via PFT...

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Campbell should do well in that offense, more suited to his style than the WCO. And Louis Murphy should be a good target for him. I see him improving off his numbers last year.

All that said though, while I think the Raiders may compete for a .500 record which could win that division that's as far as I see them going

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I don't think the Raidahs are Super Bowl contenders, but they do have a bit of talent and a lot of their scoring woes could be pinned on Fat JaMarcus being just plain bad. 8-8 seems doable for them.

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Can anyone please tell me why everyone is on the JC bandwagon ? ESPN always talked down on Jason but when he leaves D.C, the guy becomes the Raiders savior??? LOL

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Well he improves the situation there, he's got a huge chip on his shoulder/something to prove, and the system fits him better as a dropback guy.

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I just love how Campbell was a the problem in DC and the answer in Oakland

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^ that's the media for you.. No accountablilty

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[quote=drew54;719211]I just love how Campbell was a the problem in DC and the answer in Oakland[/quote]

Different contexts. Campbell is a good but not great starter. So:
a) if you are trying to become respectable (Oakland), he's a good option
b) if you are trying to win big (Washington), he's less attractive

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I don't see all the hate on JC. He wasn't a bad QB he was a middle of the road QB across the statistics board. He wasn't going to excel with this system and the horrendous o-line we had (have?).

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^ O line will be much improved this season. Williams is a monster LT and jamal brown is a very good RT. Add Artis hicks and we are much better if we stay healthy.

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Boy did people really think JC was that horrible last season? I mean really there is only like 3 qbs that I could think of who would actually play good behind that mediocre line from last year. People seem to think o-line was never the problem last year and that JC was. I remember the 2nd Dallas game last year they sent a 3 man rush that completely overwhelmed our line in about 1 1/2 seconds and had JC on his back in about 3 seconds.

Oakland, while not having a great line, has a damn better line and their skill position players are young and upcoming. I could easily see him having a good season over there.

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The great thing about it is, we'll have our answers in a month or two!

Still, it can't be stressed enough to people who are blinded by their JC17 hate: the dude was QB15-17 material while he was here and that wasn't good enough. He's going to a club whose last "franchise" QB weighed more than some of our linemen and flunked himself out of the league with a sizzurp and candy bar addiction. Let that sink in for a second. QB15 is a MASSIVE improvement for a lot of teams.

Whether he can improve and actually rise up to QB10-12 is another matter entirely.

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[quote=monkfan4life;719162]you guys may want to tread lightly with all this anti jc talk. I get blasted something serious whenever i speak the truth,...or at least my truth about that guy. Buuuuuuut who knows maybe some of you all were going on me for saying he was a bum. But hey, give him a shot.

Seriously though, i don't give a hell what he does out there. He should've done it here, but he never got a shot though right guys ????

Bum ass farger !!!![/quote]

exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[quote=skinsfaninok;719208]Can anyone please tell me why everyone is on the JC bandwagon ? ESPN always talked down on Jason but when he leaves D.C, the guy becomes the Raiders savior??? LOL[/quote]

Maybe you should have been paying closer attention, the "media" was pretty split on Campbell. Some thought Campbell was a victim here others thought he was as much as fault for our struggles as anyone else. It wasn't just one big dump on JC.

Lotus made a strong point as well.

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[quote=Lotus;719228]Different contexts. Campbell is a good but not great starter. So:
a) if you are trying to become respectable (Oakland), he's a good option
b) if you are trying to win big (Washington), he's less attractive[/quote]

And THERE'S the difference, he's a decent QB option in the NFL and it's been a while since you could say that about the Raiders QB position. At the end of the day, in an easier division, I think Jason could make them a playoff team if the Chargers have a rough season (not saying it will be this year, but in the future).

I'm happy for the guy getting a fresh start, I hope it works out for him.

Al Davis equating him to Jim Plunkett isn't going to help him out much, though...wtf? First DHB = Lofton/Rice/Brown, now Jason = Plunkett?

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After watching a little of the Raiders preseason game I am happy we got Jason out of here. His long balls were off and he got sacked holding the ball too long... good riddance!

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[quote=diehardskin2982;719749]After watching a little of the Raiders preseason game I am happy we got Jason out of here. His long balls were off and he got sacked holding the ball too long... good riddance![/quote]

Lets give him a few more games to be honest, but YES. What i saw even in that limited time looked like the same old Jason...

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Apparently, their two rookie O-linemen are a work in progress.

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He's the same guy. Even though I hated him here because of my own reasons I thought that he had changed his game. But I really hope that he fails, he continues to bitch about what happened when he was here. People took up for him saying that he never talked bad about anyone but would lay his O-Line out in the media all the time. Only in a nice way so you felt sorry for him but after watching him you can see that he misses guys deep pretty much every single time. He'll look good for Oakland but until he does the little things to take that next step he'll always be alright and nothing more. Once he can complete deep balls on a regular basis then defenses will have to respect his deep ball which would allow him to kill folks underneath. Until then, he'll always sit there and say that he's working hard, and trying to get comfortable in the offense.

He's what I've been saying that he is, you all will eventually come around but look forward to him having a radio show on some station in this area. Where guys will call and tell him how great he was and how good he could've been and how they feel like he got a raw deal and all that ish.

Oh have I said I'm glad he's gone ? I am!

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I've never heard him complain or talk badly about the Skins...during or after his stay. He's been very classy in his departure.

Also, what O-line? He didn't have one last season and doesn't have much of one in Oakland if last night is how this year will go for them.

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Campbell always bitches about what happened here? I don't remember that

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It only gets noticed by people who have an unnatural, personal hatred for him.

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[quote=MonkFan4Life;719771]He's the same guy. Even though I hated him here because of my own reasons I thought that he had changed his game. But I really hope that he fails, he continues to bitch about what happened when he was here. People took up for him saying that he never talked bad about anyone but would lay his O-Line out in the media all the time. Only in a nice way so you felt sorry for him but after watching him you can see that he misses guys deep pretty much every single time. He'll look good for Oakland but until he does the little things to take that next step he'll always be alright and nothing more. Once he can complete deep balls on a regular basis then defenses will have to respect his deep ball which would allow him to kill folks underneath. Until then, he'll always sit there and say that he's working hard, and trying to get comfortable in the offense.

He's what I've been saying that he is, you all will eventually come around but look forward to him having a radio show on some station in this area. Where guys will call and tell him how great he was and how good he could've been and how they feel like he got a raw deal and all that ish.

Oh have I said I'm glad he's gone ? I am![/quote]

Evidence please, and not quotes ripped out of context or that a likely chance of actually having some [I]truth[/I] to it. I doubt many people would go 'aww shucks no big deal" when they find out they're going to be replaced, even if they deserve it.
Campbell's certainly not a good qb, but no need to make him the devil incarnate.

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I've never heard Campbell "bash" the organization per say, but he has been quoted at times as saying they were unprofessional, and made him feel like a used tissue the way they flirted with the other QB's. That's an exact quote there, somebody can look it up.

He also said on more than one occasion that Vinny Cerrato and some of the other office people didn't talk to him at all when they passed him in the hallway during the team's pursuit of Jay Cutler.

But no, i dont recall him ever bashing anybody but Portis, who he criticized for his poor work ethic, and refusal to practice, after Portis bashed Jason earlier this year.

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Campbell has handled the situation in Washington with a lot of grace, but he bristles when he hears critics talk about how he didn't throw the ball downfield enough in '09. In fact, I happened to catch him on the phone last month after he'd heard SI.com's Peter King criticizing him on a local radio station in Washington.

[B]"I don't know how anyone can say something like that," said Campbell on Thursday. "Don't you think I wanted to throw the ball downfield? By the time I looked up, I was getting hit.[/B] I'm certainly hoping we have an opportunity to make some big plays next season."

He said more during his Monday interiews with Lavar and Dukes last season as well. If it's a case that you don't want to take that then cool, I'll give that to you. I know what I heard from him, as far as his subpar play. If you need anything for that I can lead you to the game highlights. But you never noticed it before so you probably wouldn't when I point them out. But I just finished looking at some game highlights from '08 and he's worse than I thought. He's a starter but he won't take you anywhere.

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[quote=MonkFan4Life;719817]

[B]"I don't know how anyone can say something like that," said Campbell on Thursday. "Don't you think I wanted to throw the ball downfield? By the time I looked up, I was getting hit.[/B] I'm certainly hoping we have an opportunity to make some big plays next season."

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Not to sound ignorant, but it sounds like you're upset with Campbell for speaking the truth.