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You guys also have to remember that DWare and Elvis Dummerville also had Red flags before the draft.. Those guys are great players, I think Quinn - Orakpo would be the start of a dominating defense IMO. Also we could probably trade down and get Jordan around 16 - 24 ish

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[quote=SmootSmack;793175]If we don't take Quinn at 10 and move down to pick up additional picks, one name I'm starting to hear a bit (and keep in mind we're now in full smokescreen mode, so who knows what to really believe) is Corey Liuget[/quote]

So its Ponder or Locker in 2011 and then Cousins 2012?

SS you are working your own smokescreen early...hopefully it covering your true intention of wanting either California QB next year. They are the real deal.

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[quote=Chico23231;793185]So its Ponder or Locker in 2011 and then Cousins 2012?

SS you are working your own smokescreen early...hopefully it covering your true intention of wanting either California QB next year. They are the real deal.[/quote]

Well I've been saying I think we need two new QBs for a while.

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[quote=SmootSmack;793186]Well I've been saying I think we need two new QBs for a while.[/quote]

Oh I know and support that, lets make sure its Luck or Barkley though. :headbange

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When I Hear about Quinn I always get deja vu! Wasn't it Orakpo who was a good prospect who could rush the passer...Quinn is the same. We will need to project Quinn to 3-4 OLB as a lot of the collage game does not use 3-4. I do remember the red flags as Orakpo had problems in OLB drills dropping back and covering. If Quinn turns out to be half of Orakpo he will be a decent pro. Anything more and we will have pass-rushing book ends that compare to the rest of the NFC east! I like Quinn.

But........we need players everywhere! So I will go with the pick or trade down and get a couple of this years best players and try them out!

Honestly I don't watch a lot of the college game, but I have caught up with a lot of the reports on all the players in the draft.

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I am more for balance, I want someone stronger at coverage on the otherside than pass rushing skill.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;793184]You guys also have to remember that DWare and Elvis Dummerville also had Red flags before the draft.. Those guys are great players, [B]I think Quinn - Orakpo would be the start of a dominating defense IMO[/B]. Also we could probably trade down and get Jordan around 16 - 24 ish[/quote]

Agreed. Rak, Quinn, Landry, and a quality NT and we're in business.

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Browns are zeroing in on Quinn, it seems. Like I said earlier, Green and Quinn are 1-2 on their board and Green is likely gone...unless Bengals pull a shocker and take say Julio Jones.

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^ I don't think that would be a shocker, I think JJ is better than green honestly. As for Quinn that sucks if Cle takes him, I'd like to trade down then

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I have to admit I haven't been following the draft too much. Pretty much just following the threads for info.

I am not hearing much discussion on NT's. Are there any out there worthy of a 1st or 2nd round selection?

Quite frankly, I am of the mind that it is just such a freaking crapshoot. After about the first few guys, your probability of getting an impact player seriously declines. 10 is an iffy spot. It seems to me that the sure-fire defensive guys will all be gone by then. I am not a fan of any of the QB's or WR's on the boards at 10. It just seems to me that it will be slim pickings. In that case, I hope we can trade down but am just not sure we will find anyone willing to do that.

So, I have I just regurgitated what has already been said 30 or 40 times already but just not as intelligently?

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[quote=skinsfaninok;793173]^ heck yes I would but would you take him over a Quinn or Miller who can become a dominate pass rusher along side 98? Either way we are in a great spot at 10[/quote]



This would be the perfect time to move down in the draft and pick up more picks. I think DE on the left side will be manned by Alexander or Wilson. NT or OLB/DE is not a glamorous pick in the first round but for this team, it's the right move.

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Here's an interesting scenario. If both Quinn and Bowers fall to 10, who do you take?

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^ Quinn

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[quote=Dirtbag59;793371]Here's an interesting scenario. If both Quinn and Bowers fall to 10, who do you take?[/quote]

Quinn. Bowers might be in line for microfracture surgery.

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Quinn or JJ at 10 Or trade with STL

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Just wondering how healthy Quinn is; he doesn't impress that much for a number ten pick in the first round.

I say trade down and get more picks.

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[quote=Lotus;793381]Quinn. Bowers might be in line for microfracture surgery.[/quote]

On the other hand, Quinn has/had a brain tumor

I'd take Quinn though, between the two

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Nothing against Quinn but I would take Aldon Smith.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;793041]Solid boom. Won't be as good as Orakpo but will be in his neighborhood.[/quote]

according to coach shanahan adding an outside pass rusher is high on his priority list.

[Q] The Redskins badly need someone to attack the quarterback along with Brian Orakpo, and Lorenzo Alexander is not that guy. The Washington Post suggests that North Carolina OLB Robert Quinn would be a good fit at No. 10 overall. The Redskins recorded just 29 sacks last season, tied for 25th in the league. [U] ...boom maybe, solid value pick at #10 questionable.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;793401]Quinn or JJ at 10 Or trade with STL[/quote]

Yeah, I'd trade with them or even New England would be better, to get more picks and still good players like Cameron Jordan or Aldon Smith or Jimmy Smith, Mike Pouncey, the list is endless.

But back to Quinn..

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[quote=SmootSmack;793418]On the other hand, Quinn has/had a brain tumor

I'd take Quinn though, between the two[/quote]



How do you say "Too Risky"?

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I'd take Quinn in a heartbeat, but would be absolutely fine if we traded down. There's no one player that in my mind, has truly separated himself from the rest of the field, so really the only way we could go wrong is probably taking a qb at 10. This year just doesn't have a Suh, Bradford or Peyton Manning.

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[quote=Mattyk;793252]Agreed. Rak, Quinn, Landry, and a quality NT and we're in business.[/quote]

Dont forget Atogwe and Pro Bowler 'angelo.


Starting to get excited........

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^...and we need a DE to replace Golsten. He is not a starter but a very good back up.

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[quote=Defensewins;793854]^...and we need a DE to replace Golsten. He is not a starter but a very good back up.[/quote]

Yes sir. A new LB will be restricted in effectiveness unless the DE can keep blockers off of him. Golston struggles at this.

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Quinn keeps moving up as the days go by, we may not get the guy afterall

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I honestly see the brain tumor as a positive. Doctors told him he might never play football again and now he's going to be a top 10 pick in the NFL draft.... that's the kind of guy I want on my football team. That's a guy that loves to play, and has more heart than I think any of us can imagine. And from a medical point of view, I would much rather have someone who had a benign brain tumor that has never come back, than someone with a potentially serious knee injury (one can be worsened from playing football, and the other really can't).

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[quote=r08kessl;793887]I honestly see the brain tumor as a positive. Doctors told him he might never play football again and now he's going to be a top 10 pick in the NFL draft.... that's the kind of guy I want on my football team. That's a guy that loves to play, and has more heart than I think any of us can imagine. And from a medical point of view, I would much rather have someone who had a benign brain tumor that has never come back, than someone with a potentially serious knee injury (one can be worsened from playing football, and the other really can't).[/quote]

Yeah. I agree... Brain tumors are awesome.

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[quote=r08kessl;793887][B]I honestly see the brain tumor as a positive. [/B]Doctors told him he might never play football again and now he's going to be a top 10 pick in the NFL draft.... that's the kind of guy I want on my football team. That's a guy that loves to play, and has more heart than I think any of us can imagine. And from a medical point of view, I would much rather have someone who had a benign brain tumor that has never come back, than someone with a potentially serious knee injury (one can be worsened from playing football, and the other really can't).[/quote]


The guy is looking for a retirement guaranteed contract guys. He's damaged goods. A brain injury can resurface at anytime during his career.

All those who want to select him are getting caught up on his speed and physical statue, not his play making. Go back and look at his college highlights, he is not that impressive.

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[quote=juskins;793911]The guy is looking for a retirement guaranteed contract guys. He's damaged goods. A brain injury can resurface at anytime during his career.

All those who want to select him are getting caught up on his speed and physical statue, not his play making. Go back and look at his college highlights, he is not that impressive.[/quote]

11 sacks as a true sophomore isn't that impressive? And any injury can resurface, apparently he gets regular MRI's to see if anything is going on. He played two full years of football (and spent a third being ineligible) with no relapse of any type, I'm not saying he's not without risk, what I'm trying to say is that if I had to choose between two injuries I would take the Quinn over a guy who had a potentially serious knee injury.

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[quote=r08kessl;793920]11 sacks as a true sophomore isn't that impressive? And any injury can resurface, apparently he gets regular MRI's to see if anything is going on. He played two full years of football (and spent a third being ineligible) with no relapse of any type, I'm not saying he's not without risk, what I'm trying to say is that if I had to choose between two injuries I would take the Quinn over a guy who had a potentially serious knee injury.[/quote]


You cannot be serious, can you?? If he were smart, he would have had radiation treatment after finding out he had a brain tumor. There was a punter who played for Syracuse University that also had a brain tumor and elected to receive treatment for it. The punter is now eligible to play football again due to the fact that his brain tumor is a thing of the past.

The guy is a punter not an impact OLB/DE. A brain tumor is a primary tumor and can or cannot be cancerous. Why is this guy taking a risk instead of having treatment?

A primary brain tumor can grow rapidly and compete for space in the brain cavity. Something has to give! If Quinn is on the field playing and all of a sudden begins to have a nose bleed or faints, what would your take be on it then?

He is not being honest with us. Primary brain tumors can be deadly if not addressed in there early stages. If a team drafts this guy knowing that he has this condition to me is ----ing stupid, not to mention the player.

I'm surprise that all of you who say we should draft him, have not consider the severity of Quinn's medical situation. This is really sadistic and inconsiderate on your part.

All we need would be to draft this guy and something terrible happens to him and we would be ------. Quinn is hiding something about his health. If he is kidding himself that this tumor will go away or he is beyond succumbing to its serious repercussions, he is making one hell of a gamble.

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NFL Draft 2011: Robert Quinn Looks Like Top 10 Draft Pick Despite Questions
By
Thad Novak
(Correspondent) on April 16, 2011



Robert Quinn Has Raised Some Red Flags With Analysts, But Teams In The Top 10 Of The 2011 NFL Draft Don’t Sound Worried

North Carolina DE Robert Quinn, who was suspended for all of 2010 for receiving improper benefits, remains one of the top pass-rush prospects in the draft. While he has lots of questions to answer, character-related and otherwise, it appears Quinn is headed for a top 10 selection.

Going into Quinn's visit with the Browns last Tuesday, Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer noted that "with…Da’Quan Bowers’ knee injury, Quinn might now be considered the best pass-rushing end in the draft. He’s one of the players the Browns are considering with their No. 6 pick."



And if Cleveland passes at No. 6, the Washington Examiner points out that “The closer the draft gets, the more [Quinn’s] name pops up for the Redskins with their first pick” at No. 10 overall.

Quinn’s suspension isn’t the only issue raising concerns for the teams who might pick him. Analyst Russ Lande told the Examiner that [B]“his motor is not there all the time,"[/B] and he only has two seasons of college football under his belt.

[B]Quinn would also have to deal with moving to linebacker if he went to a 3-4 team like the Redskins or the Houston Texans at No. 11.[/B][B] His two-year college career was played entirely at DE.[/B]

Even with all those issues on the table, plenty of teams could look past them to land a playmaker like Quinn, who recorded 11 sacks and 19 tackles for loss as a sophomore in 2009.


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Is there a doctor here who can give a professional opinion if Quinn? NYCSkinsfan82?

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it's a little unfair to judge this kids medical problems unless your a doctor

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From Jim Corbett of USA Today:

[B]Quinn has to undergo MRI monitoring every six months to check on the tumor.[/B]

Also:
NFL Network draft guru Mike Mayock predicted Quinn would, "Blow this combine up.

"He's as good a natural pass rusher as I've ever seen."

As far as his character issues:

"I made a selfish mistake that me and my team, my family and coaches paid a price for," Quinn said. "God gave me a talent, and in a second, he can take it away from me.

"I truly apologized for it."

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[quote=juskins;793921]You cannot be serious, can you?? If he were smart, he would have had radiation treatment after finding out he had a brain tumor. There was a punter who played for Syracuse University that also had a brain tumor and elected to receive treatment for it. The punter is now eligible to play football again due to the fact that his brain tumor is a thing of the past.

The guy is a punter not an impact OLB/DE. A brain tumor is a primary tumor and can or cannot be cancerous. [B]Why is this guy taking a risk instead of having treatment?[/B]

A primary brain tumor can grow rapidly and compete for space in the brain cavity. Something has to give! If Quinn is on the field playing and all of a sudden begins to have a nose bleed or faints, what would your take be on it then?

He is not being honest with us. Primary brain tumors can be deadly if not addressed in there early stages. If a team drafts this guy knowing that he has this condition to me is ----ing stupid, not to mention the player.

I'm surprise that all of you who say we should draft him, have not consider the severity of Quinn's medical situation. This is really sadistic and inconsiderate on your part.

All we need would be to draft this guy and something terrible happens to him and we would be ------. Quinn is hiding something about his health. If he is kidding himself that this tumor will go away or he is beyond succumbing to its serious repercussions, he is making one hell of a gamble.[/quote]

All of the reports that I have read say that he is getting regular treatment.

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[quote=53Fan;793954]From Jim Corbett of USA Today:

[B]Quinn has to undergo MRI monitoring every six months to check on the tumor.[/B]

Also:
NFL Network draft guru Mike Mayock predicted Quinn would, "Blow this combine up.

"He's as good a natural pass rusher as I've ever seen."

As far as his character issues:

"I made a selfish mistake that me and my team, my family and coaches paid a price for," Quinn said. "God gave me a talent, and in a second, he can take it away from me.

"I truly apologized for it."[/quote]

Jinx!

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[quote=juskins;793921]You cannot be serious, can you?? If he were smart, he would have had radiation treatment after finding out he had a brain tumor. There was a punter who played for Syracuse University that also had a brain tumor and elected to receive treatment for it. The punter is now eligible to play football again due to the fact that his brain tumor is a thing of the past.

The guy is a punter not an impact OLB/DE. A brain tumor is a primary tumor and can or cannot be cancerous. Why is this guy taking a risk instead of having treatment?

A primary brain tumor can grow rapidly and compete for space in the brain cavity. Something has to give! If Quinn is on the field playing and all of a sudden begins to have a nose bleed or faints, what would your take be on it then?

He is not being honest with us. Primary brain tumors can be deadly if not addressed in there early stages. If a team drafts this guy knowing that he has this condition to me is ----ing stupid, not to mention the player.

I'm surprise that all of you who say we should draft him, have not consider the severity of Quinn's medical situation. This is really sadistic and inconsiderate on your part.

All we need would be to draft this guy and something terrible happens to him and we would be ------. Quinn is hiding something about his health. If he is kidding himself that this tumor will go away or he is beyond succumbing to its serious repercussions, he is making one hell of a gamble.[/quote]

Quinns issue is a very complex one and yet you're attempting to make it a simple black and white issue. I'm sure you don't have all the facts at hand so I would wait before making claims that "he isn't being honest".

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[quote=Lotus;793957]Jinx![/quote]

What are you?... Some kind of professor? :laughing2 Uh........nevermind. :embarrass

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[quote=skinsfaninok;793950]it's a little unfair to judge this kids medical problems unless your a doctor[/quote]


This Kid, as you suggest, is not too smart. If I had a brain tumor I would be looking to cure my situation asap.

Every six months he has a MRI to determine if the tumor has grown. What does that tell you? Does one have to be a doctor to come to the conclusion that Quinn is playing Russian Roulette with his life?