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[quote=12thMan;831032]Yank him at the first sign of trouble? Surely you're not talking about one bad game? Or even two bad games.

And let's say they do yank Grossman at the first sign of trouble, then what? Will John Beck just waltz in and tear up like we all imagined? I doubt it. I think Rex has at least 5 games to bench himself or prove he's corrected some of his bad ways.[/quote]

Of course the answer is not as simple as that. If the offense is mostly clicking - in other words the QB has reasonable time to throw, the WRs are getting open relatively consistently, and the running game is keeping the offense out of 3rd and longs, then you expect your QB to get the job done. And if in that situation Grossman is missing reads or throwing ill-advised picks, or even if he's flat out inaccurate, then I think you make the switch to Beck very quickly. Like after two games. Might as well try to save the season if the QB is the only thing holding the offense back.

But if the QB is under duress, or the WRs are not getting open, or if the running game is getting shut down, then it really doesn't matter who the QB is and you should just let Grossman ride it out.

Luckily I think I have an idea what to expect from Grossman. If he has a strong supporting cast around him he'll get the job done most of the time, save for a few boneheaded mistakes that you would never see from a strong NFL starter. I'm just saying that if "bad Rex" shows for the first 2 or 3 games and you think better QB play would make the difference, then put in Beck and give him a chance.

After all, it's not like any QB move would be stunting the growth of a young guy trying to learn. With both guys being 30, they either have it or they don't.

Hopefully this supporting cast really is better and makes their jobs easier. That would help either one of them out a great deal. But I'm not delusional - I don't believe either of these guys to be the long-term answer. And I don't believe either of them to be appreciably better than the other. So if the QB competition was as close as Shanahan has said all throughout the preseason, then it logically follows that the leash for either is not all that long.

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Like I said earlier and you guys thought I was delusional.

Grossman was the starter ever since McNabb got injured, it was always that simple.

[QUOTE=Bucket;831065]There is talk that Rex isn't the starter. Maybe this is Shanny throwing a smoke screen? I guess we will see after practice?[/QUOTE]

No one will know for sure until 4:15 on Sunday, I suppose

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[quote=IrMitchell;831068]Like I said earlier and you guys thought I was delusional.

Grossman was the starter ever since McNabb got injured, it was always that simple.[/quote]

Was it really? And how do you prove that exactly? lol

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[quote=GreekSkin;831073]Was it really? And how do you prove that exactly? lol[/quote]

I don't know but we ALL were wrong.

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I think Rex will be fine as the starter. I don't think it was a coincidence last year that he came in and played so much better than McNabb. I think we are dealing with a guy here who really knows the offense, who really knows his own limitations a whole lot better, and is willing to work hard to keep his job as starter. We really haven't had that before at QB. Brunell was coming off a playoff season and was benched because the team needed a scapegoat. Campbell fared no better. Collins played great, we were a playoff team, but the man-crush on Campbell came back and it was the same old JC again. McNabb could have been good but he was too far gone physically and he didn't want to put in the time or work to pick up the offense.

I am excited about Rex getting another chance as starter. I don't think this is his last chance. I think if he shows he can put up starter numbers, and manage the game, then someone signs him even if the skins do not.

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I thought it would be Beck, but not based on anything he did better than Grossman. I only watched one quarter of one preseason game so all I have to go from is what I read. Looking at the schedule, it is not like we are playing any 'world-beater' defenses so the mobility thing is probably not going to be much of a factor. Flip a coin...that is probably what they did. It was tails - the same thing Grossman will be sitting on if he makes too many stupid mistakes.

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Glad this "battle" is over. Cant imagine how garbage we look across the league. QB battle between Steve Urkel & Screetch. I'll be so happy when we get our REAL QB next year......

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[quote=GreekSkin;831073]Was it really? And how do you prove that exactly? lol[/quote]

It was, Grossman did absolutely no harm since day one of signing here. Beck was a struggling nobody with more of a shot at looking for a new career rather than being a 2nd string QB.

I didn't see it with beck in the his start against Indy and commented on it, and I couldn't believe that people were actually buying the "Beck will be a top 15 QB and nobody knows exactly what he's like" blah blah blah, he's junk.

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I figured as much... BIG Mistake !!!! I don't know why the Skins will not let a quarterback develop. AKA Colt Brennan. Washington has always had this crazy mentality of buying an old qb to win. You need to develop a new guy and work around him for 2-3 years and then let him be your main qb. They should let Beck play this whole season and learn the system properly instead of this crazy 2 qb rotation crap!!!!

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[quote=Skinsfan6776;831083]I figured as much... BIG Mistake !!!! I don't know why the Skins will not let a quarterback develop. AKA Colt Brennan. Washington has always had this crazy mentality of buying an old qb to win. You need to develop a new guy and work around him for 2-3 years and then let him be your main qb. They should let Beck play this whole season and learn the system properly instead of this crazy 2 qb rotation crap!!!![/quote]

Would you mind tossing out a few names you would like to the Skins develop? Kellen Clemmons? Jason Campbell? Colt Brennan had his shot, he just wasn't good enough.

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beck didn't look great all that great this preseason vs tough competition. This is the right move, grossman is still 20-14, despite his hiccups. I figured this would be the case, but still think QB is our weakest position (though OL #1 CB and #2 ILB are all close).

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Nice new look to the Warpath BTW.:food-smil

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by the way, can we please stop talking about "developing" beck like he's some 22 year old rookie? he's 30, and in 2 years after he'd had time to sorta figure things out, he'd be 32. grossman is the same age and has a lot more experience, and if i'm throwing away two years to watch a QB develop, it better be andrew luck or someone that hasn't already blown two shots as is about to be on the wrong side of 30. It's not like he came in and threw 14 TDs as the peerless paragon of perfected passing :P

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I agree beck is not the guy to start the season. he made too many dumbass mistakes vs. tampa bay.

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I won't beleive it until Sunday, wanted Beck but IF Grossman is the answer then I WILL CHEER for him, I'm not going to bad mouth Beck or Grossman and end up eating CROW later like some SKIN fans will.

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[quote=53Fan;831089]Nice new look to the Warpath BTW.:food-smil[/quote]


Yeah the new look is really cool.

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[quote=IrMitchell;831082]It was, Grossman did absolutely no harm since day one of signing here. Beck was a struggling nobody with more of a shot at looking for a new career rather than being a 2nd string QB.

I didn't see it with beck in the his start against Indy and commented on it, and I couldn't believe that people were actually buying the "Beck will be a top 15 QB and nobody knows exactly what he's like" blah blah blah, he's junk.[/quote]

Ah, so you knew from the time that Grossman stepped on the field last year that nothing Beck ever did would make him start over Grossman. Gotcha. So you're just a Beck hatter, and that's your reasoning for being right. Cool.

For the record, I'm not in either qb's camp. I'm in the "whoever gets us the best shot to win" camp.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;831093]I won't beleive it until Sunday, wanted Beck but IF Grossman is the answer then I WILL CHEER for him,[B] I'm not going to bad mouth Beck or Grossman and end up eating CROW later like some SKIN fans will[/B].[/quote]

Smart. :Smoker:

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[quote=Skinsfan6776;831083]I figured as much... BIG Mistake !!!! I don't know why the Skins will not let a quarterback develop. AKA Colt Brennan. Washington has always had this crazy mentality of buying an old qb to win. You need to develop a new guy and work around him for 2-3 years and then let him be your main qb. They should let Beck play this whole season and learn the system properly instead of this crazy 2 qb rotation crap!!!![/quote]


Because neither of these garbage ass QBs are here to be the QB of our future. They are here for this year, and will be back ups here next year if they are on the team. We drafting our next REAL QB with our 1st pick next year. So it doesnt matter if we give Beck the chance to develop.

And for the love of GOD, never bring up Colt Brennan to make a point again. That dude was GARBAGE then and he's GARBAGE now. That dudes not even a 3rd stringer on anyone's team, he's bagging groceries somewhere. The ONLY thing that was good about him was his name.....get over it...

If there's anyone we shouldve took the time to develop, it was Chase Daniel. The dude who actually SH-TTED on Colt during their preseason battle. I wanna say he is the #2 QB behind Brees in New Orleans.

[QUOTE=That Guy;831090]by the way, can we please stop talking about "developing" beck like he's some 22 year old rookie? he's 30, and in 2 years after he'd had time to sorta figure things out, he'd be 32. grossman is the same age and has a lot more experience, and if i'm throwing away two years to watch a QB develop, it better be andrew luck or someone that hasn't already blown two shots as is about to be on the wrong side of 30. It's not like he came in and threw 14 TDs as the peerless paragon of perfected passing :P[/QUOTE]

Preach

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[quote=That Guy;831090]by the way, can we please stop talking about "developing" beck like he's some 22 year old rookie? he's 30, and in 2 years after he'd had time to sorta figure things out, he'd be 32. grossman is the same age and has a lot more experience, and if i'm throwing away two years to watch a QB develop, it better be andrew luck or someone that hasn't already blown two shots as is about to be on the wrong side of 30. [B] It's not like he came in and threw 14 TDs as the peerless paragon of perfected passing [/B]:P[/quote]

My new sig.

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Rex is just better folks, I was all for Beck but after watching the last few games he's just not that good of a passer plain and simple. His arm is avg at best and his sidearm stuff is just ugly. Rex will be ok for us but he's not taking this team that far either IMO

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[quote=mooby;831096]Ah, so you knew from the time that Grossman stepped on the field last year that nothing Beck ever did would make him start over Grossman. Gotcha. So you're just a Beck hatter, and that's your reasoning for being right. Cool.

For the record, I'm not in either qb's camp. I'm in the "whoever gets us the best shot to win" camp.[/quote]

Exactly!

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That Guy and Okie have it right. I am not a big Grossman guy, but to have all these guys in here actually think a 30 year old journeyman QB is going to turn into an All Pro at some point is just like if I thought if we got Gus back he would do the same. At least Gus did make the Pro Bowl once, so Beck isn't even as Good as Gus was at 30.

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must say im surprised. grossman is the "safer" choice, but beck has a higher ceiling/potential in this offense. that said, i will defer to the coaches' wisdom on this subject.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/05/shanahan-confirms-grossman-is-redskins-starter/]Shanahan confirms Grossman is Redskins’ starter | ProFootballTalk[/url]

That makes it official PFT printed it.

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[quote=12thMan;831086]Would you mind tossing out a few names you would like to the Skins develop? Kellen Clemmons? Jason Campbell? Colt Brennan had his shot, he just wasn't good enough.[/quote]

Brennan never had a fair shot. He played better than any skins QB in preseason. granted i know its just preseason but he showed i lot I felt.

Everybody but washington knew that Campbell was not an NFL starter and soon Oakland will know it too. I could never understand for the life of me that they kept Campbell in here for years no matter how bad he played, it's like they were afraid to turn to other QB's, which proved that the Owner was making the decisions then and not the coach.

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I think JC has proven he can start in this league. It's time to get over it.

Colt isn't even a backup in this league, and that's a fact.

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I'd rather have Rex than Jason IMHO.. I always liked Campbell and yes he's a solid QB but he's the same ev game.. 200 yds and 1TD 1INT. Rex showed he can get hot and sling it all over the field.. Colt was garbo folks god bless him recovering from that wreck and all but he was never a legit option at QB.. Now Chase Daniel may have been

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Good.

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[quote=Mattyk;831127]I think JC has proven he can start in this league. It's time to get over it.

Colt isn't even a backup in this league, and that's a fact.[/quote]

This.

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I guess my fiancee gets to put up with my random outbursts of, "Eff it, HE'S GOING DEEP!" than I anticipated. She'll be thrilled, I'm sure.

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As I expected and as I wanted.
I always thought the whole Beck hype was a bunch of hoohaa.
Rex aint no Kenny Stabler but at least he has a little vet savvy.
But as I have said before, this is a throwaway year QB-wise.
Too bad because the reast of the team looks pretty good.

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[quote=Mattyk;831127]I think JC has proven he can start in this league. It's time to get over it.

Colt isn't even a backup in this league, and that's a fact.[/quote]

For the life of me, I will never ever understand the Colt Brennan Kool Aid drinkers.

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This is a bit of a surprise. I think everyone was hoping that Beck would become Gannon Jr. And Shanahan would play his Gruden in this version. It still may happen because at this point Shanahan seems to be unpredictable but even though Gannon and Beck share the whole journeyman thing and the seeming confidence from their respective coaches-- the circumstances and experience of these quarterbacks are fairly different.

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[quote=12thMan;831135]For the life of me, I will never ever understand the Colt Brennan Kool Aid drinkers.[/quote]

It's almost like Ramsey all over again. He got screwed, he never had a fair shot, etc. When in reality he just can't play.

[QUOTE=12thMan;831135]For the life of me, I will never ever understand the Colt Brennan Kool Aid drinkers.[/QUOTE]

I'll second that emphatically. He was always a long shot to be anything more than an NFL backup. Same thing with chase Daniel.

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[quote=12thMan;831135]For the life of me, I will never ever understand the Colt Brennan Kool Aid drinkers.[/quote]


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He was f-ckin garbage, had one DECENT game and the Colt of Colt went on to proclaim him as the one that we let get away. Like I said earlier, we shouldve kept Chase Daniel, a QB who is actually still in the league. I believe he is the # QB behind Brees. Colt probably couldnt even make a Canadian League roster as a 3rd QB.....