Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired?
 

Wow, just wow.

Up to today's game I would have said let Mike finish the season, because it is really tough on a locker room to change HCs mid-season. But today, this franchise is at the same low-point it experienced with Zorn. The "moment" came when we sent RGIII out for a pass today, against arguably the nastiest defense in football. We are sooooooo lucky RG3 didn't sustain a concussion, and at this moment I'm sure Snyder is debating whether he needs to "protect" is prized investment.

But like every other game since the season opener, it's not just about one play. The play-calling/play-design was an embarrassment to pro football from the very first series, which really set the tone for the rest of the game btw. This isn't a serious football team, period.

Mike Shanahan is more responsible for his team's failure than any current NFL coach. This was also true last year btw, when we saw a few HCs get canned mid-season. Mike destroyed a very competitive, near elite, defense, and he turned the offense over to Jim Zorn aka Kyle Shanahan.

By the end of the season most of you will want Mike gone, but there's no reason to wait that long. He's bringing embarrassment on the franchise. Time to move on....

Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired?
 

[quote=punch it in;957932]Hello there. Congratulations for going to the place where nobody wants to go! The land of truth.


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Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired?
 

[quote=The Goat;957935]Wow, just wow.

Up to today's game I would have said let Mike finish the season, because it is really tough on a locker room to change HCs mid-season. But today, this franchise is at the same low-point it experienced with Zorn. The "moment" came when we sent RGIII out for a pass today, against arguably the nastiest defense in football. We are sooooooo lucky RG3 didn't sustain a concussion, and at this moment I'm sure Snyder is debating whether he needs to "protect" is prized investment.

But like every other game since the season opener, it's not just about one play. The play-calling/play-design was an embarrassment to pro football from the very first series, which really set the tone for the rest of the game btw. This isn't a serious football team, period.

Mike Shanahan is more responsible for his team's failure than any current NFL coach. This was also true last year btw, when we saw a few HCs get canned mid-season. Mike destroyed a very competitive, near elite, defense, and he turned the offense over to Jim Zorn aka Kyle Shanahan.

By the end of the season most of you will want Mike gone, but there's no reason to wait that long. He's bringing embarrassment on the franchise. Time to move on....[/quote]

You mention the locker room, which makes me wonder...

How do you all think locker room morale is?

With RG3 back there, I think the locker room might be good. Without him, I think chaos.

I'm not saying that the guys are throwing fists back there, but I can't imagine that it's not downright dreary back there some Sundays.

[QUOTE=The Goat;957935]Wow, just wow.

Up to today's game I would have said let Mike finish the season, because it is really tough on a locker room to change HCs mid-season. But today, this franchise is at the same low-point it experienced with Zorn. The "moment" came when we sent RGIII out for a pass today, against arguably the nastiest defense in football. We are sooooooo lucky RG3 didn't sustain a concussion, and at this moment I'm sure Snyder is debating whether he needs to "protect" is prized investment.

But like every other game since the season opener, it's not just about one play. The play-calling/play-design was an embarrassment to pro football from the very first series, which really set the tone for the rest of the game btw. This isn't a serious football team, period.

Mike Shanahan is more responsible for his team's failure than any current NFL coach. This was also true last year btw, when we saw a few HCs get canned mid-season. Mike destroyed a very competitive, near elite, defense, and he turned the offense over to Jim Zorn aka Kyle Shanahan.

By the end of the season most of you will want Mike gone, but there's no reason to wait that long. He's bringing embarrassment on the franchise. Time to move on....[/QUOTE]

He just needs two more years to figure it out Goat. Why the long face? Lol.


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[quote=punch it in;957939]He just needs two more years to figure it out Goat. Why the long face? Lol.


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It's been 2 more years for 20 years now... Ahhh, a new sig idea...

Ok so who would you like them to hire?

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[quote=mooby;957914]I'd like to join your nutshell sir, that sounds like a decent start. I would look to young up-and-comers for the defensive side of the ball too, doesn't matter if they're 3-4 or 4-3 guys, as long as they have the right pedigree. If that means switching back to a 4-3 I'm alright with that, we'd already have a good pair of bookend DE's in Kerrigan and Rak, plus I'd be more comfortable with Cofield as a DT in a 4-3. Let Riley take over the middle, slide K. Robinson and someone else to outside 'backers and then overhaul our secondary in FA.[/quote]Agreed Cofield, Bowen, Jenkins and Carriker (next season) might be better rotational DT's in the 4-3. Kerrigan would have to play SAM. Maybe put Bowen at LDE?

And cut Hall, keep the other secondary and LBs.

Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired?
 

[quote=Deivybaby;957893]Yes but towards next season. We have a good offense but look at our situation and his history. His D been an outrage his fa this year and last was awful we have a cap issue.we have rg3 and im sure with the moneu we have we can hire a pretty good OC but we need a real vip FO GM to help us.
[B]We wont make the playoff but id only kwep him because of the offebse so he beeds to sgow next year how to improve thia D much better.[/B]
Ill wait i dont like shanny but the O is doing better.[/quote]

Thash righ, pally bouy. He defulny beeds to sgow shum pruvmint onna deefinsh. yookin blee dat.

[QUOTE=Deivybaby;957893]Yes but towards next season. We have a good offense but look at our situation and his history. His D been an outrage his fa this year and last was awful we have a cap issue.we have rg3 and im sure with the moneu we have we can hire a pretty good OC but we need a real vip FO GM to help us.
We wont make the playoff but id only kwep him because of the offebse so he beeds to sgow next year how to improve thia D much better.

Ill wait i dont like shanny but the O is doing better.[/QUOTE]

This.
L to the O to the L.


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Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired?
 

Devil's advocate on the "fire Haslett" quick fix:

That's pretty much what happened towards the end of his days in Denver, right? Every year, some defensive coordinator took the fall. One year, the figurehead GM (Sundquist) took the fall. Eventually, Pat Bowlen had to step in.

Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired?
 

[quote=skinsguy;957889]Firing the coach doesn't fix players dropping passes. Stupid thread.[/quote]

who is responsible for bringing in all these wr's that can't catch? at some point, the braintrust has to held accountable for the lack of talent on this team.

[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;957943]Thash righ, pally bouy. He defulny beeds to sgow shum pruvmint onna deefinsh. yookin blee dat.[/QUOTE]

Dude i seriously just pissed myself. Damn I do not like to make fun but I just laughed so hard I have gots to go check my shorts now. Oh my.
Yookin blee dat! Lololololololololo


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[quote=redskins5044;957941]Ok so who would you like them to hire?[/quote]Beyond the scope of this thread. I [I]would[/I] have liked them to hire Jim Schwartz, for the record.

Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired?
 

[quote=punch it in;957918][B]What we saw today is not fixable in two years. [/B]Especially with the cap hit and no first round picks. Shanny shouldnt be fired today if that is the question because who the hell is going to take over now? If we go 6-10 this year (which is seeming like a challenge at this point) than i think it is worth serious consideration. I mean his overall record for the last ten years and complete lack of post season appearances are going to warrant the thought for sure.[/quote]

I don't know about that. We have good pieces in offense and defense (front 7), the only thing we really need to fix is secondary. Don't forget, we lost few key players to injuries on both sides. As for Shanny, I have to agree with you that his record doesn't show much. But from what I am seeing from Redskins team, compared to last few years before Shanny era, the team is better now.

Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired?
 

[quote=DynamiteRave;957937]You mention the locker room, which makes me wonder...

How do you all think locker room morale is?

With RG3 back there, I think the locker room might be good. Without him, I think chaos.

I'm not saying that the guys are throwing fists back there, but I can't imagine that it's not downright dreary back there some Sundays.[/quote]

I think you probably nailed it.

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Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired?
 

[quote=GTripp0012;957945]Devil's advocate on the "fire Haslett" quick fix:

That's pretty much what happened towards the end of his days in Denver, right? Every year, some defensive coordinator took the fall. One year, the figurehead GM (Sundquist) took the fall. Eventually, Pat Bowlen had to step in.[/quote]

Right, so just take care of the real problem up front, and start your search for a new HC tomorrow, right?

[QUOTE=redskins5044;957941]Ok so who would you like them to hire?[/QUOTE]

I dont know but if my shirt doesnt fit and i cant get my hands on another one it doesnt mean i have to feel good in that shirt.


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Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired?
 

No. MS should not be fired during the season or after it. He gets 5 years.

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Yeah, let's fire him and hire Jeff Fischer.


[url=http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=321028014]New England Patriots vs. St. Louis Rams - Box Score - October 28, 2012 - ESPN[/url]



Doing a hell of a job in St. Louis. I mean his record is so much better than Shanahan's and he's definitely not getting waxed at home either.

Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired?
 

[quote=DynamiteRave;957933]This is the other part of my problem. He's only been here 3 years and with a franchise that is/was in rebuilding mode. The last coach that coached here for over 3 years was NORV TURNER and they fired him in 2000. All other coaches have been here for 3 years or less.

To me that's a glaring consistency problem.

[B]Except Zorn. He needed to go.[/B][/quote]I reserve the right to change this opinion after 8 more games, but at this point, bringing Shanahan back for 2013 would be way more inexcusable than bringing Zorn back for 2009 was. And could result in a season that would be even more of a disaster.

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[quote=NC_Skins;957958]Yeah, let's fire him and hire Jeff Fischer.


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Doing a hell of a job in St. Louis. I mean his record is so much better than Shanahan's and he's definitely not getting waxed at home either.[/quote]Difference being the Rams don't have the money to pay Fisher and another coach, but we do, and that should be a deciding factor in who coaches each team next year.

[QUOTE=GridIron26;957951]I don't know about that. We have good pieces in offense and defense (front 7), the only thing we really need to fix is secondary. Don't forget, we lost few key players to injuries on both sides. As for Shanny, I have to agree with you that his record doesn't show much. But from what I am seeing from Redskins team, compared to last few years before Shanny era, the team is better now.[/QUOTE]

Injuries are league wide. We need depth. Depth across the board plus a secondary. Plus even with a healthy Garcon maybe some wide recievers after what I saw today. Plus a damn punter.
Not just a secondary. I thought that just last week. I did. Now i think this.


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Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired?
 

[quote=GTripp0012;957945]That's pretty much what happened towards the end of his days in Denver, right? Every year, some defensive coordinator took the fall. One year, the figurehead GM (Sundquist) took the fall. Eventually, Pat Bowlen had to step in.[/quote]

[quote=The Goat;957955]Right, so just take care of the real problem up front, and start your search for a new HC tomorrow, right?[/quote]



...and how has that worked out for Denver so far?


Cliffnotes: It hasn't.

Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired?
 

[quote=The Goat;957955]Right, so just take care of the real problem up front, and start your search for a new HC tomorrow, right?[/quote]I think firing him tomorrow or even at the bye would be really reactionary and counterproductive. You want to at least see if the team has the character to rebound from a big loss.

But taking a look around at other names would be prudent at this point. You don't want to be caught with your pants down after the season.

Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired?
 

[quote=skinsfan69;957957]No. MS should not be fired during the season or after it. He gets 5 years.[/quote]

5 years I think is good. I'm just not crazy about firing him after 3 years, especially with a franchise that was recently in shambles.

That said, I don't mind taking a very close look at the defensive coordinator position.

[QUOTE=NC_Skins;957964]...and how has that worked out for Denver so far?


Cliffnotes: It hasn't.[/QUOTE]

They were a playoff team last year and lookin like one this year.


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Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired?
 

Given the way Shanahan is dragging this team through the mud, at what point does the fan face the question: Am I a Skins fan or a Shanahan fan?

Right now, with enough kool-aid or scotch, you can be both. Some of us choose to stick to water on Sundays. But eventually we'll all have to choose, just as Denver did.

Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired?
 

[quote=GTripp0012;957961]Difference being the Rams don't have the money to pay Fisher and another coach, but we do, and that should be a deciding factor in who coaches each team next year.[/quote]



Wait, you mean to tell me that a man (Stan Kroenke) with a net worth of 3.2 billion can't afford to pay 2 coaches, but Dan Snyder can?.....lol



Wrong.

Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired?
 

I've gone from wanting to keep Shanny to where I need him to prove something now. If he can only win 5 or 6 games this year, I wouldn't mind a bit if he's fired at the end of the season.

My hunch-backed granny could win 6 games with RGIII at QB.

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[quote=NC_Skins;957964]...and how has that worked out for Denver so far?


Cliffnotes: It hasn't.[/quote]Well, they might be the best team in the AFC...

But Denver made a ton of mistakes after firing Shanahan. I'm not suggesting by any means that we fire the coach and trade RG3 to the Rams for Sam Bradford and two first rounders, then hire Josh McDaniels and start Kirk Cousins.

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[quote=NC_Skins;957972]Wait, you mean to tell me that a man (Stan Kroenke) with a net worth of 3.2 billion can't afford to pay 2 coaches, but Dan Snyder can?.....lol



Wrong.[/quote]Well, he'd be doing it at a significant personal financial loss.

But if your point is he could afford it, then yes, yes he could.

[QUOTE=NC_Skins;957958]Yeah, let's fire him and hire Jeff Fischer.


[url=http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=321028014]New England Patriots vs. St. Louis Rams - Box Score - October 28, 2012 - ESPN[/url]



Doing a hell of a job in St. Louis. I mean his record is so much better than Shanahan's and he's definitely not getting waxed at home either.[/QUOTE]

He did beat Shanny just a few weeks ago.


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[quote=punch it in;957969]They were a playoff team last year and lookin like one this year.


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Thank you...I'm not sure NC actually follows football.

[QUOTE=The Goat;957979]Thank you...I'm not sure NC actually follows football.[/QUOTE]

They actually beat the steelers with tim frikkin tebow at qb. The steelers who just made little girls out of us.


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Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired?
 

I think Mike has improved the personell on this team and except for the secondary put it in pretty good shape for the next HC and his new assistant coaches.

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Players get the blame. The coaching should prevent the players (even seasoned ones like Moss) from dropping them. This team never made the flight to Pitt.

Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired?
 

[quote=DynamiteRave;957933]This is the other part of my problem. He's only been here 3 years and with a franchise that is/was in rebuilding mode. The last coach that coached here for over 3 years was NORV TURNER and they fired him in 2000. All other coaches have been here for 3 years or less.

To me that's a glaring consistency problem.

[B]Except Zorn. He needed to go[/B].[/quote]

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Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired?
 

[quote=DynamiteRave;957968]5 years I think is good. I'm just not crazy about firing him after 3 years, especially with a franchise that was recently in shambles.[/quote]


It still is. The talent has been addressed on the offensive side of the ball and it shows. There still is a vast number of holes to fill on the defensive side of the ball. Mike inherited a old team with little to no depth. Add a restrictive FA, Lockout, and capgate and it doesn't help matters one bit.

I'll stand steady on my thinking that Haslett was a bad hire to begin with. Why hire a man who doesn't want to run the scheme, nor has he ran it in a decade. Was he turned down that many times by DCs?


[quote=punch it in;957969]They were a playoff team last year and lookin like one this year. [/quote]

Miami won their division Sporanos first year and then fell flat on its face. Having a anomaly season isn't being better, it just means it was a fluke. Also, I don't quite call a 3-3 team a playoff team. Mind you, they were handed one of those wins by San Diego, AND they play in the horrible AFC West. Denver isn't better since firing Shanahan. Not by a long shot.

Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired?
 

[quote=53Fan;957983]I think Mike has improved the personell on this team and except for the secondary put it in pretty good shape for the next HC and his new assistant coaches.[/quote]

You're evil, 53Fan. No wonder I like you so much.