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I really wish there was something interesting to discuss right now besides this. I haven't even read McNabb's comments on RG3, mainly because I don't care what he thinks about RG3.

Also, just a quick question Goat, kinda semi-related to the subject at hand. Is there a single topic at all concerning the Redskins that you have ever just agreed with everybody else about? At some point it's started to feel like you just play devil's advocate because it's your "role" so to speak.

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[quote=The Goat;1010616]I don't get the hate for NcNabb at all. It says more about the low character of those making negative comments about him than anything else per se. He was highly respected by coaches and players for nearly his entire career. He came to Washington on the decline, didn't fit the system and didn't get along with Mike Shanahan. When you look at the two men, Mike's had "interpersonal issues" with far more players and coaches than McNabb ever did. Mike doesn't seem to get along with a lot of people, going through D coordinators in Denver like crazy and having past players dislike him strongly.

That said, it's not really clear what McNabb has in mind to say to RG3?? If it's about protecting himself from being a runner, I think RG2's comments got the point across. If it's about RG3 focusing on leadership over stardom, McNabb might be able to lend some wisdom. It's a valid concern. RG3 needs to spend as much time with his teammates as possible, hard to do that when you're jet-setting to celeb events everywhere.[/quote]Plenty of McNabb's teammates liked TO better as a teammate.

McNabb never dealt with his team and fans as well as RG3 already has. His comments about Griffin sound bitter and kinda... clueless? He also demonstrated how to be a bad passive-aggressive team mate while he was here. And McNabb trashed Shanahan about RG3 before RG3 arrived here.

It's too bad McNabb never had someone like RG3 to talk to, when McNabb was a rookie.

But to suggest McNabb has anything constructive to tell RG3, while he's criticizing RG3 now for things like Griffin's classy handling of the fans' wedding gifts, is a joke.

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Hey Tiger....John here.......Ehrrr John Daly dude! Just wanted to lay some info on you about Memorial.......

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McNabb's only real sin is and has been that he doesn't know when to shut up. He's certainly isn't a bad guy as evidenced by the respect he supposedly has...although I'm not sure I recall everyone tripping over each other to defend the guy much. He has had similar issues in the past...even in Philly. Remember the meltdowns with TO. Crazy as he was he didn't seem to fight with individual players in the media other than McNabb.

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If McNabb really cared about reaching out to RG3 as a friend he wouldn't be blabbing about this to the media.

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[quote=Mattyk;1010639]If McNabb really cared about reaching out to RG3 as a friend he wouldn't be blabbing about this to the media.[/quote]

right

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Sounds like McNabb wants the attention.

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I cant believe Mike Wise hit for the dochebag cycle. First he stands behind rg3 purposely with an indian shirt and then brings an McNabb to take shots at the Skins and RG3 within the same week.

Mike Wise right now holding the Intercontinental Douchebag Championship Belt.

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Here's what I don't get at all...why I am supposed to give a sh*t about what Mike Wise thinks? Right or wrong at least McNabb was SOMETHING. What the hell has Mike Wise ever been other than a mediocre columnist? Even before when he wasn't being king douche supreme he wasn't like a go to guy for content. I WANT to like him...he seems sorta cool in interviews...but then all this stuff.

BTW...talk about an off season quagmire.

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[quote=Hog1;1010622]Hey Tiger....John here.......Ehrrr John Daly dude! Just wanted to lay some info on you about Memorial.......[/quote]

????????????

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I believe he is making an analogy of John Daly giving advice to Tiger Woods about golf and Donovan McNabb giving advice to RG3 about football.

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[quote=Mattyk;1010639]If McNabb really cared about reaching out to RG3 as a friend he wouldn't be blabbing about this to the media.[/quote]

Thought D.Graziano said it very well: [url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/51853/the-who-cares-files-donovan-mcnabb-on-robert-griffin-iii]The 'Who Cares?' Files: Donovan McNabb on Robert Griffin III - ESPN[/url]

[quote]1. I don't care, at all, what Donovan McNabb has to say about Robert Griffin III.

2. I am 1,000 percent confident that Griffin doesn't either, and he shouldn't.

3. I don't see why anyone, anywhere would care what McNabb has to say about Griffin, because[B] the first time we heard him on this topic he was both insanely wrong and clearly biased.[/B] McNabb's "First Take" appearance last spring, in which he deployed a nakedly obvious grudge against Mike Shanahan to assert that Griffin would be a poor fit for the Redskins' offense, [B]completely deprived him of any credibility on this topic forever[/B].[/quote]

You can agree or disagree with Shanny's handling of Griffin, but you can't say MS hasn't changed and adapted his offense around Griffin's skills. The "completely deprived him of any credibility on this topic" part of the quote is spot on.

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Graziano pretty much nails it.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1010693]You can agree or disagree with Shanny's handling of Griffin, but you can't say MS hasn't changed and adapted his offense around Griffin's skills. The "completely deprived him of any credibility on this topic" part of the quote is spot on.[/quote]


That statement definitely hit the nail on the head. McNabb has no credibility in this matter and should really just move the hell on. (mike wise as well)




To add salt to the gashing womb, I particularly liked what Rich Campbell had to say as well:

[quote]"I’m not sure how a former quarterback can rip an organization, have your agent do the same, blast the way the team is going to coach their new quarterback before he even takes a snap, turn out to be totally wrong about that coaching and then expect to the organization to return his phone calls or put any credence in any advice he may want to dish out to that new QB. And then choose a columnist who is not very popular among Redskins fans to deliver the message? Donovan McNabb seems to be the one who is in need to the career advice, not RG3."
[/quote]

[url=http://www.realredskins.com/rich-tandlers-real-redsk/2013/06/the-week-that-was-can-morgan-return-to-form.html]The Week That Was: Can Morgan return to form? - Rich Tandler's Real Redskins[/url]

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[QUOTE=Skinzman;1010617][B]When you show up in a new town and pretty much tell every single person on the team that you have no intention of working for a common goal, that pretty much tells me all I need to know about him.[/B]

[B]The one person who respected him, Andy Reid, traded him within the division. Which in sports, is one of the biggest shows of disrespect that one can get. No way he comes to Washington if Reid thinks there is something left in the tank. He was sent from Philly with almost everyone of his team mates and an entire city not even caring enough to say goodbye. They all said good riddens.[/B] QUOTE]

I didn't remember McNabb saying anything negative through that season?? What did he say exactly?

To be honest I thought he had some very solid games. What defined that season was the worst defense we'd seen in Washington in I think a decade. I believe we were bottom of the league in most categories. It was atrocious, and 100% the result of Mike blowing up the defense we had. So, if there's a culprit for a shitty season that year, pointing to McNabb is, again, a real cheap shot.

Per the trade, it says just as much about our FO/coaches taking McNabb as it does Reid letting him go. It was obvious he was on the decline. And everyone knew he came from a pass heavy offense to a run heavy offense. So to work it would have taken a lot of adjustment from both sides IMO.

But regardless, defense was the big problem that year, as has been Mike's theme in Washington so far. To pretend otherwise is silly.

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Some hilarious comments I've seen on the various media outlets.


[quote]McNabb just wants to show him the best way to throw up without hitting your shoes[/quote]


[quote]Is Mcnabb going to teach RG3 how to throw his famous bounce-pass?[/quote]

[quote]I wish I could be a fly on the wall for this conversation. “Son, let me tell you about the rules for overtime”.[/quote]


[quote]It’s a tough pill to swallon when you’re the only one that doesn’t realize that you’re irrelevant.

Regards,
T.O., Ocho Stinko, and Lord Tebow[/quote]

[quote]If McNabb is now giving career advice, maybe McNabb can let Ronde Barber pick his brain. Again.[/quote]




:laughing2

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Hey didn't McNabb play for the Eagles one time? LOL!

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[quote=Mattyk;1010697]Graziano pretty much nails it.[/quote]

Yep, read his blog just a bit ago.

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this is why the off season sucks. there is too much media out nowadays that tries to stir shit up to get attention.

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Mike Wise and McNabb, hey don't go away mad just go away. They are both right behind Tommy Lees fanny pack!!

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNCM8IjtQ-o]Mötley Crüe - Don't Go Away Mad - YouTube[/ame]

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[quote=The Goat;1010704]I didn't remember McNabb saying anything negative through that season?? What did he say exactly?[/quote]

You really have selective memory. You don't remember his agent blasting Mike and Kyle claiming things that McNabb felt? Who do you think all that shit came from? McScrub himself. Then he didn't even disagree with his agent when it came out in the press, but claimed he didn't feel that way. C'mon man...



[quote=The Goat;1010704]Per the trade, it says just as much about our FO/coaches taking McNabb as it does Reid letting him go. It was obvious he was on the decline. [/quote]

I agree with that. Not all the FO was on board with this. We know at least Kyle didnt' want McNabb in the first place.


[quote=The Goat;1010704]But regardless, defense was the big problem that year, as has been Mike's theme in Washington so far. To pretend otherwise is silly.[/quote]


No. QB play was a huge reason, which is why McNabb got benched.

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The D was no worse under McNabb than it was last year for Griffin, in fact last years D gave up more points.

RG3 as a rookie outperformed McNabb's season here in every way possible, still a hard pill for McNabb to swallow I guess.

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[quote=The Goat;1010704][QUOTE=Skinzman;1010617][B]When you show up in a new town and pretty much tell every single person on the team that you have no intention of working for a common goal, that pretty much tells me all I need to know about him.[/B]

[B]The one person who respected him, Andy Reid, traded him within the division. Which in sports, is one of the biggest shows of disrespect that one can get. No way he comes to Washington if Reid thinks there is something left in the tank. He was sent from Philly with almost everyone of his team mates and an entire city not even caring enough to say goodbye. They all said good riddens.[/B] QUOTE]

I didn't remember McNabb saying anything negative through that season?? What did he say exactly?

To be honest I thought he had some very solid games. What defined that season was the worst defense we'd seen in Washington in I think a decade. I believe we were bottom of the league in most categories. It was atrocious, and 100% the result of Mike blowing up the defense we had. So, if there's a culprit for a shitty season that year, pointing to McNabb is, again, a real cheap shot.

Per the trade, it says just as much about our FO/coaches taking McNabb as it does Reid letting him go. It was obvious he was on the decline. And everyone knew he came from a pass heavy offense to a run heavy offense. So to work it would have taken a lot of adjustment from both sides IMO.

But regardless, defense was the big problem that year, as has been Mike's theme in Washington so far. To pretend otherwise is silly.[/quote]

I guess I explained it wrong. He didnt say he had no intention of working for a common goal, he just refused to actually work for that common goal. I usually phrase a lack of trying as "saying they didnt want to".

He openly refused to wear a wrist brace because he cared more about his image than he did for his team mates.

To me, that says it all about McNabb.

As for the trade, I agree with you there. I never wanted him here and thought it was a mistake to trade for him. But overall, the acquiring of players has gone much better under Shanny and Allen than it ever went with Vinny and Snyder running the show. I dont expect perfection as I know it wont happen, but I expect more hits than misses. McNabb was clearly a miss and they deserve criticism for it as a single move, but overall the team has more talent now than it had prior to their arrival, as well as being much younger.

Its not a cheap shot to point to McNabb. Yardage wise he was actually doing good. Interception wise and getting into the end zone wise, he was making Grossman look pretty good. How many players really stepped up and "had his back" after he was benched?

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Hey look. Goat is sticking up for someone who trashes the Shanahans.

Ahhh ... it's like we are right back in the season again! Thanks Goat for the fond memories.

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What a sad, sad, delusional troll D Mac has become...

Someone needs a hug because it sounds like their self-esteem is low.

I guess Donovan's mom did the Chunky Soup commercials for the paycheck, not because she loved him.

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[quote=SkinzWin;1010740]What a sad, sad, delusional troll D Mac has become...

Someone needs a hug because it sounds like their self-esteem is low.

I guess Donovan's mom did the Chunky Soup commercials for the paycheck, not because she loved him.[/quote]

Please leave family out of it. Donovans mom doesnt need to be inserted, and certainly doesnt need to have it thrown out that she doesnt love him. Of course she did that commercial for a paycheck (if that is actually her and not an actress, I honestly dont know), but that doesnt mean anything when it comes to whether she loves her children. If RG3's mom and/or dad were offered money to do a commercial with their son, I would have no problem with it and would never claim that they are using their son for a paycheck. Thats a pretty low blow to be honest, and im someone who cant stand McNabb.

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I don't think Donovan's advice was that controversial or as badmouthing RG III about all the attention as the media tried to play it as. Robert needs to just focus on his rehab and nothing more. What has transpired over the post draft offseason is a bit much, and to be honest almost borders on being "Bieberesque" or "Kardashian". Yeah you can blame the media for sure for covering this stuff, but these PR stunts are pointless. Robert just needs to focus on rehab and getting himself ready for training camp if he can participate. There is no need to get yourself in the media at this point.

I think given how his recovery has gone so far, Griffin is doing all the right things and then some. If he were still limping around the "he's doing too much" crowd might have a better argument.

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[quote=SkinzWin;1010740]What a sad, sad, delusional troll D Mac has become...

Someone needs a hug because it sounds like their self-esteem is low.

I guess Donovan's mom did the Chunky Soup commercials for the paycheck, not because she loved him.[/quote]


I don't get what is so delusional about what he said. For the past month it has been sort of a circus with the PR stunts, etc. Robert just needs to focus on one thing, getting healthy, and not try to rush things. Trying to be Superman and coming back out against Seattle was a bad decision that could still have ramifications on his career. Kid has to cool it and come back to earth so he can soar later on.

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[quote=Mattyk;1010731]The D was no worse under McNabb than it was last year for Griffin, [B]in fact last years D gave up more points.
[/B]
RG3 as a rookie outperformed McNabb's season here in every way possible, still a hard pill for McNabb to swallow I guess.[/quote]
STOP IT with your facts and logic already!
And BTW, imagine what Robert.....Could have done last year if he wasn't constantly F..n off playing media star...commercials......getaways with Jessica Simpson....

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It amazes me 1) how many people don't grasp the idea of "controlling the message" and 2) how little fans think of players' abilities to multitask and handle multiple responsibilities like the rest of society..

What the hell is this crap of he needs to only focus on rehab? Speaking to the media for a few minutes a week isn't going to cripple him (pun intended?). All you mother****ers are posting here, taking away from other things you could/should be doing but do you look in the mirror and say damn maybe I'd get that promotion if I wasn't slacking off posting on this message board, shit maybe I wouldn't be so fat if I worked out these 30 minutes instead of reading these posts, **** maybe I wouldn't be single still if I was out meeting people instead of starting a new thread here.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1010752]It amazes me 1) how many people don't grasp the idea of "controlling the message" and 2) how little fans think of players' abilities to multitask and handle multiple responsibilities like the rest of society..

What the hell is this crap of he needs to only focus on rehab? Speaking to the media for a few minutes a week isn't going to cripple him (pun intended?). All you mother****ers are posting here, taking away from other things you could/should be doing but do you look in the mirror and say damn maybe I'd get that promotion if I wasn't slacking off posting on this message board, shit maybe I wouldn't be so fat if I worked out these 30 minutes instead of reading these posts, **** maybe I wouldn't be single still if I was out meeting people instead of starting a new thread here.[/quote]

SS with a hundo fastball right under the chin!

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[quote=SmootSmack;1010752]It amazes me 1) how many people don't grasp the idea of "controlling the message" and 2) how little fans think of players' abilities to multitask and handle multiple responsibilities like the rest of society..

What the hell is this crap of he needs to only focus on rehab? Speaking to the media for a few minutes a week isn't going to cripple him (pun intended?). All you mother****ers are posting here, taking away from other things you could/should be doing but do you look in the mirror and say damn maybe I'd get that promotion if I wasn't slacking off posting on this message board, shit maybe I wouldn't be so fat if I worked out these 30 minutes instead of reading these posts, **** maybe I wouldn't be single still if I was out meeting people instead of starting a new thread here.[/quote]

Took the words right outta my mouth. I wish you could have spelled out mother****ers though.

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I can understand what McNabb is saying here; I mean, from his perspective RGIII is definitely doing too much. He's taking time to learn the playbook and his role in the offense. Certainly that's significantly more than McNabb did while in DC, and we saw how successful his tenure here was. From that perspective it's very good advice.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1010739]Hey look. Goat is sticking up for someone who trashes the Shanahans.

Ahhh ... it's like we are right back in the season again! Thanks Goat for the fond memories.[/quote]

That train is always on time.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1010739]Hey look. Goat is sticking up for someone who trashes the Shanahans.

Ahhh ... it's like we are right back in the season again! Thanks Goat for the fond memories.[/quote]


:laughing2

[quote=SmootSmack;1010752]It amazes me 1) how many people don't grasp the idea of "controlling the message" and 2) how little fans think of players' abilities to multitask and handle multiple responsibilities like the rest of society..

What the hell is this crap of he needs to only focus on rehab? Speaking to the media for a few minutes a week isn't going to cripple him (pun intended?). All you mother****ers are posting here, taking away from other things you could/should be doing but do you look in the mirror and say damn maybe I'd get that promotion if I wasn't slacking off posting on this message board, shit maybe I wouldn't be so fat if I worked out these 30 minutes instead of reading these posts, **** maybe I wouldn't be single still if I was out meeting people instead of starting a new thread here.[/quote]

:laughing-

100% accurate, but still funny as hell.

I like it when Smoot channels his inner beastmode. Give into the dark side.

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[quote=Skinzman;1010744]Please leave family out of it. [B]Donovans mom doesnt need to be inserted,[/B] and certainly doesnt need to have it thrown out that she doesnt love him. Of course she did that commercial for a paycheck (if that is actually her and not an actress, I honestly dont know), but that doesnt mean anything when it comes to whether she loves her children. If RG3's mom and/or dad were offered money to do a commercial with their son, I would have no problem with it and would never claim that they are using their son for a paycheck. Thats a pretty low blow to be honest, and im someone who cant stand McNabb.[/quote]

You had to go there.

Donovans mom is so fat when she dances the band skips.

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[quote=Skinzman;1010744]Please leave family out of it. Donovans mom doesnt need to be inserted, and certainly doesnt need to have it thrown out that she doesnt love him. Of course she did that commercial for a paycheck (if that is actually her and not an actress, I honestly dont know), but that doesnt mean anything when it comes to whether she loves her children. If RG3's mom and/or dad were offered money to do a commercial with their son, I would have no problem with it and would never claim that they are using their son for a paycheck. Thats a pretty low blow to be honest, and im someone who cant stand McNabb.[/quote]

Wait a second. Didn't Donovan go after RGIII's father? Yes he did, so I'd say his family is fair game as well since he's in the mood to dish out opinions on a public forum about individuals and their family members.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1010787]Wait a second. Didn't Donovan go after RGIII's father? Yes he did, so I'd say his family is fair game as well since he's in the mood to dish out opinions on a public forum about individuals and their family members.[/quote]

Saying that RG3's dad should have said it privately instead of publicly is not attacking his dad.

Saying someones parents dont love them is bush league. Thats making McNabb look good instead of like the bitter troll that he is.

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[quote=Skinzman;1010792]Saying that RG3's dad should have said it privately instead of publicly is not attacking his dad.

Saying someones parents dont love them is bush league. Thats making McNabb look good instead of like the bitter troll that he is.[/quote]


Doesn't matter. McNabb is out of bounds discussing somebody else family member. Period. All McNabb did was alienate himself from RGIII. You think Robert wants anything to do with this clown now? Especially seeing how and what was said prior, and now saying things about what his dad should and should not do?