Re: Terri Schiavo
 

the point of a living will is just to state your wishes more than anything else... instead of having the courts argue about it.

Re: Terri Schiavo
 

That is the case with a living will-correct. But it brings nup the argument by others -example youwhere under a manipulative person-other family members say you never wanted that. Research living wills as I mentioned.

Re: Terri Schiavo
 

I'm familiar with living wills and I don't understand the problem with them.

Re: Terri Schiavo
 

I'll try and be simple.
I'm a Christian but don't know all the details about what the Bible says I should do which would be important to me. But, my wife [who I love eternally] and I have talked and said we would not want to be "kept alive" if not able to live.

I would follow my wife's wishes no matter what and I would expect her to follow mine.

If needed I would and could pull te feeding tube from my own wife if needed. That may sound harsh but it's with 100% love and respect to my wife.

peace
mike

Re: Terri Schiavo
 

I would steal food from Daseal, but that's another matter.

Re: Terri Schiavo
 

The only food I eat from a tube is barley and hopps!

Re: Terri Schiavo
 

even if there had been a living will the parents would have taken through the courts as they have the word of mouth and T.S. would still be around a long time. Do some research on living wills.

Re: Terri Schiavo
 

[QUOTE=John Hasbrouck]even if there had been a living will the parents would have taken through the courts as they have the word of mouth and T.S. would still be around a long time. Do some research on living wills.[/QUOTE]

What about research re: living wills?

A living will, if done properly, pre-empts any claim that the incapacitated person actually would have wanted to be assisted in X, Y, or Z fashion. Sure, someone can bring a lawsuit to say the incapacitated individual actually would have wanted to get or not get life support, but if that claim conflicts with the living will, the living will pre-empts that claim.

Re: Terri Schiavo
 

Very well a living will is to allow nature to takes it course.Not feeding an individual is NOT allowing nature to take it's course

Re: Terri Schiavo
 

I understand your point, but a living will can say whatever you want it to say. You can have a living will say I don't want a feeding tube. Or, you can have the living will say I want a feeding tube.

Re: Terri Schiavo
 

nobody wins in this case.her husband needs a serious ass whipping for not doing this when it all happened.for 10 years she has just been there,no thearpy or anything.why the hell did he let it drag on like this???
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Re: Terri Schiavo
 

I haven't read the previous posts on this since Friday, so if I repeat anything that's been said, disregard this post...

I read that the husband has had children with another woman already so why in the hell is HE in position to be saying what is best for Terry? I say that when you essentially "move on" that your rights as that person's caretaker go out the window.

Re: Terri Schiavo
 

[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]I haven't read the previous posts on this since Friday, so if I repeat anything that's been said, disregard this post...

I read that the husband has had children with another woman already so why in the hell is HE in position to be saying what is best for Terry? I say that when you essentially "move on" that your rights as that person's caretaker go out the window.[/QUOTE]
he does have children with another woman, however is still married to Terri, and is still primary caretaker in the eyes of the law, and now the courts...he's been offered money countless times and has been asked to divorce, in order to turn over the role to the parents to no avail...

not saying it's right, just saying it is what it is...

Re: Terri Schiavo
 

I know, I know.

I'M saying it isn't right.

But what do I know.:frusty:

Re: Terri Schiavo
 

May she rest in peace

[url]http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/03/31/schiavo/index.html[/url]

Re: Terri Schiavo
 

No doubt. Rest in peace.

At least all this crap will finally be over with.

Re: Terri Schiavo
 

The way chosen for her to go wasn't the agreeable with a lot of people, but I personally just hope she's at peace.

Re: Terri Schiavo
 

Me too. Now I hope that the families can begin healing and not have to make it harder by going through legal battles.

Re: Terri Schiavo
 

The media frenzy around this has been incredible and almost sickening.

I'm actually kinda interested in what the autopsy results will be.

Re: Terri Schiavo
 

Tom Delay went way over the line today with his comments. He has no respect for our judicial system.

Re: Terri Schiavo
 

I have no idea what Delay said today so I can't comment on that but as far as our judicial system goes I can say this: while the system is sound the implementation of said system has become a joke in this country. We have judges who no longer review cases based on law but rather make decisions based on political views and agendas. I don't happen to think this case was one of those situations as it seems all legal judgements were fair and within the spirit of the laws but far too many times we have to deal with activists judges. Cases like this only raise the profile of our judicial system and subject it to an appropriate level of scrutinization that we need to apply on a more regular basis.

Re: Terri Schiavo
 

[QUOTE=NY_Skinsfan]Right now I am swaying towards Mr. Shiavo's side but if this were my daughter I would probably be the other way around. I don't think I could ever let my daughter just die. In fact, I know I would never let my daughter die if there was even the tiniest bit of hope.[/QUOTE]
i see what your saying, i am upset that i didn't see this thread till today and after she is dead but i still think it is nessasary to talk about it. I could never do this to a family member, but i can easily say she has the right to die, maybe a step back from an outside perspective is needed. I just wanted a little more time, a little more debate. i wish there was a way that they could have talked about it before it happened. Not to be insensitive but it could be done any time, now or 6 months from now i just think they should have talked about it a little more, but then again she was like this for 13 years and i am sure the family debated before. it is such a touchy issue:grouphug:

Re: Terri Schiavo
 

[QUOTE=Daseal]The big question, in my mind, is whether or not she actually is suffering? I'm sure she's aware, but does she feel the pain?

If it we're me in her situation I'd want people to remove the tubes very soon. I simply don't feel that a partial recovery, which would be rare to none, would be worth the pain and suffering of my family for years upon years.

I agree with the majority of the posters that a living will is the only way to go. There's a time when you just need to let people go. I distinctly remember my whole family standing around my grandfathers hospital bed at Walter Reed, and just telling him it was okay to go. The next morning he passed away, and though we were sad -- we were also relieved that his suffering was over.[/QUOTE]

my family was in a similiar situation, my grandfather suffered a stroke and suffered brain damage and was paralized for over 13 years, it was horrible, i never really knew my grandfather and he would always be in an electric bed, when he passed i remember that we were also very sad but we were relieved that he didn't have to suffer. it is horrible, this issue is so complicated that there will never be a concenous.
I hope we all make our own personal decisions for ourselves of what we feel is right.

Re: Terri Schiavo
 

I don't particularly care for Delay and others' criticisms of the judicial system.

As for our judicial system being a joke - guess who's largely responsible for it? Not lawyers, not politicians, but you people (average citizens sitting on juries). So, an indictment of the judicial system almost necessarily involves an attack on the people.
It's sort of like looking in the mirror and saying, "hey, see that guy there, he's an a--hole."

As for "activist judges," I ask people what is an activist judge and they really can't tell me. When they do tell me what an activist judge is, typically, their definition is pretty lame.

Moreover, it's ironic that the Republicans (i.e. Delay) who always CRITICIZE "activist judges" were the very same people asking the judicial system to stick its nose into Terri's case.

Re: Terri Schiavo
 

[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]I don't particularly care for Delay and others' criticisms of the judicial system.

As for our judicial system being a joke - guess who's largely responsible for it? Not lawyers, not politicians, but you people (average citizens sitting on juries). So, an indictment of the judicial system almost necessarily involves an attack on the people.
It's sort of like looking in the mirror and saying, "hey, see that guy there, he's an a--hole."

As for "activist judges," I ask people what is an activist judge and they really can't tell me. When they do tell me what an activist judge is, typically, their definition is pretty lame.

Moreover, it's ironic that the Republicans (i.e. Delay) who always CRITICIZE "activist judges" were the very same people asking the judicial system to stick its nose into Terri's case.[/QUOTE]


Here's the definition:
Activist judge-Any judge that doesn't rule in favor of conservatives.

If you do rule in their favor then you are a judge that "strictly interpreted the Constitution"