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[quote=Ruhskins;1059275]From the way people are b*tching about him, you'd think he signed some crazy expensive deal already. :doh:[/quote]Haven't seen one person bitch about him.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1059276]Haven't seen one person bitch about him.[/quote]

I'm lost why people would not like to improve the passing game.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1059095]People want to get rid of Moss but keep Cousins? Cousins looked terrible against the worse defenses in the league. [B]Moss is a true Redskins[/B], Cousins is a journey man. Everybody's back up. Everybody's hoe.[/quote]
AND one of my favorites. You keep Moss until someone can......push him out of the nest. When that happens....so be it.

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[quote=Hog1;1059279]AND one of my favorites. You keep Moss until someone can......push him out of the nest. When that happens....so be it.[/quote]This happened in 2011.

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[quote=Chico23231;1059277]I'm lost why people would not like to improve the passing game.[/quote]

So do I, but rumors that they are working on a deal with Moss doesn't mean that:

a) A deal is done

b) They're going to give him a lot of money

c) He's going to be the only option or free agent acquisition

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[quote=GTripp0012;1059281]This happened in 2011.[/quote]
You mean Garcon?

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[quote=GTripp0012;1059281]This happened in 2011.[/quote]

Apparently not. The fact that Moss continues to stick with the team every year is a testament to his professionalism, and the Skins' inability to develop any talent behind him.

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[url=http://www.csnwashington.com/football-washington-redskins/talk/supply-free-agent-wrs-could-exceed-demand?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo]Supply of free agent WR's could exceed demand | Comcast SportsNet Washington[/url]

Great time to upgrade our glaring weaknesses on offense

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[quote=Chico23231;1059309][URL="http://www.csnwashington.com/football-washington-redskins/talk/supply-free-agent-wrs-could-exceed-demand?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo"]Supply of free agent WR's could exceed demand | Comcast SportsNet Washington[/URL]

Great time to upgrade our glaring weaknesses on offense[/quote]

Is it too early to give up on the guys we have? I wouldn't sign any of these guys. Decker would be nice but he's going to cost too much. I'm hoping the new coaches can get more out of the guys we have. Spend the free agent money on the o-line and defense. Improve in the trenches, not at wr.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1059346]Is it too early to give up on the guys we have? I wouldn't sign any of these guys. Decker would be nice but he's going to cost too much. I'm hoping the new coaches can get more out of the guys we have. Spend the free agent money on the o-line and defense. Improve in the trenches, not at wr.[/quote]

No, it's not too early to give up on the guys we have. Who are you not ready to give up on? Moss? Morgan? Nick Williams? Hankerson may have some upside but an already slow receiver coming off of knee surgery, eh.. Robinson has potential, he's not going anywhere but he'll never be more than a 4th or 5th WR. We need a #2 and a strong slot receiver, desperately.

We don't need to be in the Decker/Tate/Nicks discussions that are going to cost a ton of money. If we brought in Brandon LaFell & Julian Edelman or Emmanuel Sanders & Andre Roberts plus a draft pick, I would be quite happy.

The OL is a need but our receivers outside of Garcon are not good. They aren't fast, aren't quick, don't scare defenders or defensive coordinators. The answer to everything that ails this team isn't offensive linemen.

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[quote=Paintrain;1059382]No, it's not too early to give up on the guys we have. Who are you not ready to give up on? Moss? Morgan? Nick Williams? Hankerson may have some upside but an already slow receiver coming off of knee surgery, eh.. Robinson has potential, he's not going anywhere but he'll never be more than a 4th or 5th WR. We need a #2 and a strong slot receiver, desperately.

We don't need to be in the Decker/Tate/Nicks discussions that are going to cost a ton of money. If we brought in Brandon LaFell & Julian Edelman or Emmanuel Sanders & Andre Roberts plus a draft pick, I would be quite happy.

The OL is a need but our receivers outside of Garcon are not good. They aren't fast, aren't quick, don't scare defenders or defensive coordinators. The answer to everything that ails this team isn't offensive linemen.[/quote]

Preach. Folks we have the cap room and the draft picks to address the Oline and WRs. Both are the real needs on the offense. Sanders and Roberts would be really good signings.

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[quote=Paintrain;1059382]<snip>The answer to everything that ails this team isn't offensive linemen.[/quote]

Obviously OL isn't the answer to all the Redskins' problems, but it is the single biggest need on the team. If you improve the O-line, our offense would improve more than if you upgraded any other unit. Aaron f****** Rodgers wouldn't be successful behind our pitiful line.

I agree that Sanders would be a nice signing. And Golden Tate isn't going to be as expensive as Decker or even Sanders.

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[url=http://www.giants101.com/2014/02/13/washington-redskins-may-target-linval-joseph-in-free-agency/]Washington Redskins May Target Linval Joseph in Free Agency | Giants 101 | Sports Media 101[/url]

What do you think?

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[url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2014/2/13/5407260/playing-gm-and-coloring-inside-the-lines]Playing GM and Coloring Inside The Lines - Hogs Haven[/url]

Another what do you think?

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[quote=SirLK26;1059384]Obviously OL isn't the answer to all the Redskins' problems, but [B][I][U]it is the single biggest need on the team[/U][/I][/B]. If you improve the O-line, our offense would improve more than if you upgraded any other unit. Aaron f****** Rodgers wouldn't be successful behind our pitiful line.

I agree that Sanders would be a nice signing. And Golden Tate isn't going to be as expensive as Decker or even Sanders.[/quote]

No, it's not. It's not even the biggest need on offense in free agency. The single biggest need on the team is the secondary has zero quality starters, maybe Hall if he consistently played to 2013 levels but he hasn't and probably won't at this stage in his career. I hope have for Amerson though but he's alone in the 'starter upside' category for now. Have to wait and see on Thomas but I saw enough of Rambo to know he's a backup. The rest of our secondary players (exception for maybe Crawford) are trash.

On the OL we spent 4 picks (LeRib, Gettis, Compton, Hurt) over the past couple of years on those players. Develop from within. That's what Seattle did, draft and develop. The development is the key to building a better OL. Of the starters from last year Polumbus is the only one that 100% needs to be replaced. Chester & Montgomery maybe but let them compete with Gettis, LeRib and Lichtensteiger. Let LeRib come to camp in shape and fight for a starting job. Let Compton fight for a starting job at RT unless you solve it in free agency or with the 2nd round pick.

Our OL was still damn good running the ball but struggled in pass pro. Fix RT, let the battles commence in the middle and develop from within.

In case you're looking for wholesale changes, don't get too excited per John Keim: [url=http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/5456/positional-outlook-offensive-line]Positional outlook: Offensive line - Washington Redskins Blog - ESPN[/url]

[QUOTE=CrazyCanuck;1059304]Apparently not. The fact that Moss continues to stick with the team every year is a testament to his professionalism, and the Skins' inability to develop any talent behind him.[/QUOTE]


Bingo. We have a winner

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;1059276]Haven't seen one person bitch about him.[/QUOTE]


Maybe not "bitch" about him but wanting him gone. And as others have pointed out (yourself included - which is why im puzzled about your comment) is that other wr's on our roster have been unable to push him out. Until someone makes it abundantly clear that they can step up and make him irrelevant than he deserves a chance, once again, to compete for the job. Because as Ruhskins pointed out he has not and is not going to sign some mega deal. Lol. His career as a Redskin has earned him the rite to win or lose the job. The bottom line is that his production is not what it once was, but it is better than anything else we have as we stand here today.

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[quote=SirLK26;1059384][B]Obviously OL isn't the answer to all the Redskins' problems, but it is the single biggest need on the team.[/B] If you improve the O-line, our offense would improve more than if you upgraded any other unit. Aaron f****** Rodgers wouldn't be successful behind our pitiful line.

I agree that Sanders would be a nice signing. And Golden Tate isn't going to be as expensive as Decker or even Sanders.[/quote]

I would argue that the secondary is the single biggest need on the team.

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[quote=Paintrain;1059382]No, it's not too early to give up on the guys we have. Who are you not ready to give up on? Moss? Morgan? Nick Williams? Hankerson may have some upside but an already slow receiver coming off of knee surgery, eh.. Robinson has potential, he's not going anywhere but he'll never be more than a 4th or 5th WR. We need a #2 and a strong slot receiver, desperately.

We don't need to be in the Decker/Tate/Nicks discussions that are going to cost a ton of money. If we brought in Brandon LaFell & Julian Edelman or Emmanuel Sanders & Andre Roberts plus a draft pick, I would be quite happy.

The OL is a need but our receivers outside of Garcon are not good. They aren't fast, aren't quick, don't scare defenders or defensive coordinators. The answer to everything that ails this team isn't offensive linemen.[/quote]

I would prefer that we get a right tackle, a guard/ center before we do anything. I can not take another season of Polumbus and Chester on roller skates.

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i look at garcon and i look at the rest of our wrs. if you combined all of their talents into one wr; garcon would still be better.

i think the only wr (besides garcon) we have "invested" in is hankerson; a 2011 3rd round pick who has not shown much. as a young wr, at somewhat of a crossroads, i hope he goes the keenan mccardell route instead of the rod garnder/devin thomas/taylor jacobs route.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1059400]I would prefer that we get a right tackle, a guard/ center before we do anything. I can not take another season of Polumbus and Chester on roller skates.[/quote]

And I can't take another season of Santana [B]Miss[/B], Josh Morgan gaining zero after the catch and Hankerson folding to the ground whenever he catches a ball.

I agree with you on Polumbus and to a smaller extent Chester. I'd be cool with Anthony Collins at RT and using a guard from within or a 3rd round pick.

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[quote=Lotus;1059399]I would argue that the secondary is the single biggest need on the team.[/quote]

Secondary could be as big a need as O-line in terms of talent deficiency and mistakes, but I look at it this way: when the secondary makes a mistake, they're not putting the health of the Redskins' most important player in jeopardy.

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[url=http://www.csnwashington.com/football-washington-redskins/talk/redskins-re-sign-backup-safety-jose-gumbs]Redskins re-sign backup safety Jose Gumbs | Comcast SportsNet Washington[/url]

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[quote=SirLK26;1061253][url=http://www.csnwashington.com/football-washington-redskins/talk/redskins-re-sign-backup-safety-jose-gumbs]Redskins re-sign backup safety Jose Gumbs | Comcast SportsNet Washington[/url][/quote]

We be clinchin divisions now.
Woot!

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[quote=SirLK26;1061253][url=http://www.csnwashington.com/football-washington-redskins/talk/redskins-re-sign-backup-safety-jose-gumbs]Redskins re-sign backup safety Jose Gumbs | Comcast SportsNet Washington[/url][/quote]

Good. Gumbs has a strong motor and could develop into a contributor.

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[quote=Paintrain;1059407]And I can't take another season of Santana [B]Miss[/B], Josh Morgan gaining zero after the catch and Hankerson folding to the ground whenever he catches a ball.

I agree with you on Polumbus and to a smaller extent Chester. I'd be cool with Anthony Collins at RT and using a guard from within or a 3rd round pick.[/quote]

I think that its a foregone conclusion that morgan will either be cut, or will sign a deal for less than half of what he is supposed to make, and Bowen will need to restructure as well. Same goes for Chester, Carriker and possibly Wilson, if Wilson stays.

Just those restructures/cuts will save us a buttload of money, and after all is said and done, we should still have around 25 - 26 mill to blow even after the 11.5 franchise tag orakpo money. We are in a good position, and no first round pick too. We pretty much HAVE to be players in FA this year, no two ways about it.

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If Wilson stays I'm boycotting this team. How many years am I going to have to watch Josh Wilson get burnt/turned around/otherwise suck? If we keep him, it better be for depth purposes only. Start Hall, Amerson, Crawford (if he bounces back) and then MAYBE Wilson.

Otherwise, I swear to God, Wilson should be the first name on top of the cut list.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1061346]If Wilson stays I'm boycotting this team. How many years am I going to have to watch Josh Wilson get burnt/turned around/otherwise suck? If we keep him, it better be for depth purposes only. Start Hall, Amerson, Crawford (if he bounces back) and then MAYBE Wilson.

[B]Otherwise, I swear to God, Wilson should be the first name on top of the cut list.[/B][/quote]

Wilson would have to be resigned first. He is a FA.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1061346]If Wilson stays I'm boycotting this team. How many years am I going to have to watch Josh Wilson get burnt/turned around/otherwise suck? If we keep him, it better be for depth purposes only. Start Hall, Amerson, Crawford (if he bounces back) and then MAYBE Wilson.

Otherwise, I swear to God, Wilson should be the first name on top of the cut list.[/quote]

I agree with the thought that Wilson's time here is over. I'd love to draft LaMarcus Joyner in the 2nd or Ricardo Allen in the 4th-5th to take over the slot. Neither are prototypical NFL prospects, but both are just great football players, in every way. We need more of those types on our team.

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lol Wilson isn't even under contact for this year and he's still catching shit. I doubt they re-sign him.

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[url=http://realredskins.com/2014/03/05/report-redskins-riley-still-far-apart-in-contract-talks/]Report: Redskins, Riley still far apart in contract talks | Rich Tandler's Real Redskins[/url]

If Riley isn't resigned, that's going to set our defense a long ways back. Replacing both ILBs in one offseason shouldn't even be an option for our FO. Riley must be resigned; if he goes out in the market to test his worth, which looks inevitable, hopefully he finds out that no one will pay him over 5 million a year.

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[quote=SirLK26;1061662][url=http://realredskins.com/2014/03/05/report-redskins-riley-still-far-apart-in-contract-talks/]Report: Redskins, Riley still far apart in contract talks | Rich Tandler's Real Redskins[/url]

If Riley isn't resigned, that's going to set our defense a long ways back. Replacing both ILBs in one offseason shouldn't even be an option for our FO. Riley must be resigned; if he goes out in the market to test his worth, which looks inevitable, hopefully he finds out that no one will pay him over 5 million a year.[/quote]

I say let him test the market. He's certainly not going to get anything close to $35M over 5 yrs and I doubt he would even get anything close to what Butler just got.

How about 5 years $15M? He does have some leverage knowing that we really need him here.

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[quote=SirLK26;1061662][URL="http://realredskins.com/2014/03/05/report-redskins-riley-still-far-apart-in-contract-talks/"]Report: Redskins, Riley still far apart in contract talks | Rich Tandler's Real Redskins[/URL]

[B]If Riley isn't resigned, that's going to set our defense a long ways back[/B]. Replacing both ILBs in one offseason shouldn't even be an option for our FO. Riley must be resigned; if he goes out in the market to test his worth, which looks inevitable, hopefully he finds out that no one will pay him over 5 million a year.[/quote]

How? It was pretty damn bad with him on the field. Riley is a drafted home grown guy but he just isn't a playmaker or a difference maker. Plus he gets exposed in coverage. We have too many Perry Riley type guys on this team. We need competition at almost every single position on defense. That would be my attitude if I were Gruden/Haslett.

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i could live with 4 yr 22 mil, 10 guaranteed.

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No way he gets 3/22 or 5/35 on the open market. My guess is he comes back at a significantly smaller contract than he expects.

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Riley deal will be in the mid to high teens-4-5 year deal...6-8 guarenteed

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I wouldn't giving him a 5 year 20 mil deal with 6 mil guaranteed, but he's probably thinking he'll get way more on the open market.

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[quote=Lotus;1059399]I would argue that the secondary is the single biggest need on the team.[/quote]


Agreed, the secondary is the worst part of this team. We're not in terrible shape at CB with Hall and Amerson, but they need help behind them from safeties. We've had a Top-10 offense the last 2 years, even with a one-legged QB last year, so the O-line isn't our greatest need despite its holes.

Of course, we are changing schemes from the smaller, faster zone blocking OL under Shanahan to a bigger, more traditional line under Gruden, so the changes will happen regardless of need, because of scheme.


Bottom line, we need to hit both areas, as well as LB, DL, WR and special teams.


We have the money and we will.

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I would have no problem with that deal. If it is 5, he likely plays 3 under it. If the cap expands as expected, it will be a very moderate deal by year 3/4.

Given their current salary crap status, I would be front loading the crap out of most contracts. Maybe I am just not understanding things.

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riley is basing his demands on a terrible wtf contract miami gave out, which is just a bad basis of comparison.

I'd be okay with him walking in that I don't really think he's anything special. there's jack all available to fill the ILB/MLB spots in FA this year though, which really sucks for us.