Iffy has had #26 for 3 years...it's his to do with as he pleases. Portis wants #26, but picked #3 for camp.....just take #36 and be done with it.....

cpayne5:

You said that this is probably Iffy's last stand and that this will be the last memorable thing he does as a Redskin. I have no quarrel with that.

However, I do need your help here. What were some of the memorable things he did in the past as a Redskin? If they were memorable, I must have been on some other planet when they happened, because ... I can't remember them! :confused:

His INT return for a TD against the Saints in '02 was a nice play, but that's all that sticks out to me right now.

Hey Matty, can you tell me how the status things work. Smootsmack told me you would explain them to me in another forum. The practice squad, rookie, etc. Thanks

Just wanted to point out one quick thing...

Ifeanyi Ohelete had 103 tackles last year (2nd on the team) and 3 INT's (also 2nd on the team, one behind Smoot's 4). He recorded these totals in 15 games.

Someone please show me a more statistically PRODUCTIVE safety last year please? Well, I'll help you...

When you go to this page [URL=http://www.nfl.com/stats/playersort/NFL/DB-TACKLES/2003/regular]Defensive Back Rankings[/URL] , you will see Defensive Backs across the NFL ranked according to their production (tackles, INTs, forced fumbles, pass deflections, etc.)

You wil be suprised to see that there are NO, I repeat NO NFC defensive backs ranked higher... I know I was suprised. I mean, I knew he had 100 tackles and 3 INTs, which I thought was respectable, but numbers don't lie... he IS a productive safety. I think because he is not a "big hitter" like Roy Williams is supposed to be, or not as well-known as a Mike Minter, he is severely underrated, and sadly, most underrated by us... Redskin fans.

Look, I am not the President of the Iffy club... but I think we could be doing much worse at the position and Ohelete is still only 25. He SHOULD improve. He has EARNED the WASHINGTON REDSKINS #26 and it is his to give up or keep. For someone to assume he should give it up is kind of disrespectful. If he were to have been traded to the Broncos and asked for the number off Portis' back, how hard do you think Clinton would have laughed in his face??

I'm not bashing Portis at all... but come on... it's well documented that the guy is at least SOMEWHAT similar to "Leon" from the Bud commercials. I just think that Portis should take #36 (or did Timmy Smith retire that one? hahaha) or #25 and be done with it... but mostly I wanted to point out that Ohelete isn't quite the sloutch or chump some of you guys make him sound like....

the more you post the higher your rank

Excellent post Hail to the Redskins

Well Portis won't get 24, that's Springs' number now. I wonder if Walt Harris is making the same claims for his old #21

Iffy put up a lot of numbers, which is great for him, but bad for the Redskins. You dont want your safety to lead yoru team in tackles. Thats why they are called safetys. The fact he had so many tackles shows how bad our front 7 did last year. I hope he does continue to improve but I hope he doesnt have to make as many tackles. Roy Williams is known as being a hard hitter because he is in on plays that the front seven is making. The three picks of course were a great stat for him.

I guess his continued production will futher lean the skins pick towards getting Winslow now.

Why wouldn't we draft Taylor, trade/cut Bowen and move Ohalete over to the other side? It sure seems like Ohalete was the more productive player, although Bowen has the bigger reputation.

Why cut Bowen? I'm sure Williams will prefer depth where possible.

Right, I forgot to add /demote to 2nd string. Although I don't know if we wouldn't be wiser to see what we can get for Bowen. We seem to be getting ready to acquire some draft picks soon. (for trotter, possibly gardner)

Doubt we get much for Bowen. Better keeping as a backup - I seem to remember reading he doesn't have much of a cap impact so it should be OK.

There were a bunch of good safetys in free agency, and as far as I know we didnt speak with any of them. It seems like they are content with the two they have and are looking to get Winslow. They may have not talked with anyone and wanted to get Taylor, but after trading Johnson it looks more and more like TE is the way he want to go with the pick

Hail to the Redskins, you can't tell me you actually believe that damn ranking. 100+ tackles is good, 3 picks isn't too bad. But the fact is, you can't really judge a D-Back by stats because a good D-Back doesn't get tested. What would you say if I told you 71 tackles and 2 picks...where would that rank? Well, in reality, it's [COLOR=Red]Champ Bailey's [/COLOR] stat line. Who, oh by the way, just happens to be the best corner in all of the National Football League. What about 69 tackles and just 2 interceptions? Well, that would be [COLOR=Red]Roy Williams [/COLOR] stat line...the real best safety in the NFC. I can think of 10 safeties I'd rather than Iffy. He's the one that needs the attitude adjustment.

Clinton Portis is a [COLOR=Red]Franchise Player[/COLOR]. Clinton is far more important to a team than an adequate safety, but then again Iffy may not want to piss off his fans, I know the Ifeani Ohelete jerseys sell like hotcakes!

lol, yea ive got 10 Iffy jerseys that im saving in a box for my kids and grandkids...

I want Portis to get number 26 because im either buying a Portis, or whichever Cane we drafts jersey. And i would be pissed if i bought a Portis number 3 authentic jersey then he changed his number in a year after Iffy gets cut.

OK, 3 things...

1) Portis is only wore #3 for the mini-camp... NFL rules state that RB's can't have single digit numbers. Running Backs numbers have to be between #20-#49.

2) Like I said in my post... no, I don't think Ohelete is the best safety ever, BUT he is only 25 and can and will improve.

Someone can lecture me all day on how our D-Line and LB's played so badly that our safeties got too many tackles, which is OK. BUT 103 tackles is not a bad season I don't care WHO you are... anyone who thinks so needs to put their sorry judgemental behind in a uniform and play the position.

Also... 3 INT's for a saftey is not bad at all either. Roy Williams, "the best safety since Ronnie Lott" had only 2 INT's. Now you can't blame that on a bad D-Line can you?

and 3) It shows something about a person's value system when he, the fan, is upset with a guy who has 3 YEARS of tenure with this team because he won't give up HIS, I repeat, HIS number to the new "superstar" who hasn't earned a penny of his fat paycheck with this franchise yet. So much for loyalty and treating everyone on a team as equals... BUT I guess it makes sense... players today have lost most of their honor, why not the fans too.

There have been a few other expamples of my point before in this thread, but... I guarantee if you had a great parking spot close to your building at work, and some new guy came in and wanted YOUR space... you would laugh in his face. But when people you thought were your friends are now sucking up to the new guy because his in good with their boss and are pissed of at you because you won't give it to him... you'd be pretty pissed yourself.

I didnt know there were actual rules about what number you can wear, good to know, thanks.
The three pics was a great stat for him or any other player. The redskins expecially dont ever get a lot of pics, I hope that changes next year. In general the Redskins havent had a player put up big stats in a long time on defense. Lavars 11 sacks was great, but for someoen who said before the season that he would be MVP of the league would have put up more number.

Hey All...

Been lurking around here (posted once or twice) since there were less than 200 people on this board and it seems be growing faster all the time with some good information and insight, so I figure it's time to jump into the fray! Quick background..34, from Norfolk/Va Beach area, been a 'Skins fan since the Pardee days. Had posters of Joe Lavender and Kenny Houston on my wall as a kid. My Mom and grandfather grew up near DC and are die-hards... he since the days of #33. Old school!

Anyhow, as far as the jersey number range/position relationship is, here's what the NFL has mandated as the official system. Listed is the primary range and then a secondary range for some positions if a number in the primary range isn't available.

QB, P, K: 1-19
RB, DB: 20-49
LB: 50-59 (90-99)
C: 50-59 (60-79)
G, T: 60-79
WR: 80-89 (10-19)
TE: 80-89
DL: 60-79 (90-99)

Since it looks like Iffy just isn't coughing up his number, here's what is available right now (could change fast) for Portis... 27, 31, 35, 36, 37, and 39. Walt Harris and perhaps Taylor would also be picking from that group. Interestingly enough, as of right now, if Winslow is the pick, he'd have no number to pick from in the 80's. They're all gone.

Good to know, thanks.

[QUOTE=Dave Butz Baby!]Hey All...

Been lurking around here (posted once or twice) since there were less than 200 people on this board and it seems be growing faster all the time with some good information and insight, so I figure it's time to jump into the fray! Quick background..34, from Norfolk/Va Beach area, been a 'Skins fan since the Pardee days. Had posters of Joe Lavender and Kenny Houston on my wall as a kid. My Mom and grandfather grew up near DC and are die-hards... he since the days of #33. Old school!

Anyhow, as far as the jersey number range/position relationship is, here's what the NFL has mandated as the official system. Listed is the primary range and then a secondary range for some positions if a number in the primary range isn't available.

QB, P, K: 1-19
RB, DB: 20-49
LB: 50-59 (90-99)
C: 50-59 (60-79)
G, T: 60-79
WR: 80-89 (10-19)
TE: 80-89
DL: 60-79 (90-99)

Since it looks like Iffy just isn't coughing up his number, here's what is available right now (could change fast) for Portis... 27, 31, 35, 36, 37, and 39. Walt Harris and perhaps Taylor would also be picking from that group. Interestingly enough, as of right now, if Winslow is the pick, he'd have no number to pick from in the 80's. They're all gone.[/QUOTE]

Good info...Welcome to the Warpath!

Walt Harris has taken 37.

Why wasn't there this kind of outrage when Tre Johnson had number 77 [COLOR=Red]given[/COLOR] to Randy Thomas on his arrival? No one said anything.

I never said that 103 tackles wasn't impressive. I think that's damn good. Nor did I ever try to blame it on the defensive line, but you can't tell me that 3 picks is good for a safety just because Roy Williams only got 2. Roy Williams is a hitter, Iffy isn't. Iffy tries to break on the ball and he's more of a playmaking safety. As far as that goes, 3 picks isn't good. Brain Russel plays safety and he had 9 picks last year, Corey Chavous had 8. Roy Williams makes you afraid to go over the middle and Chavous and Russel make you throw away from them, Iffy does niether.

I dont know how the Vikings had amounted so many picks by mid season, it was very impressive.

jdlea... you are missing the point COMPLETELY.

Ifeante Ohelete is a 2-year STARTER for the Washington Redskins... and 103 tackles and 3 INT's for a safety in [B]ABSOLUTELY NO WAY[/B] sucks, no matter what anyone says!!!

MY POINT IS.... [B]NO ONE should EXPECT him to give up the number he likes and HAS EARNED.[/B] That's all. Ohelete is no flamboyant, bragadocius, arrogant, or a trash-talker. He let's his play do the talking for him, and that's it. I have never heard a quote from the guy... much less one ripping a teammate or the sorry coaching staff we had last year. Personally, I think that.. and the fact that he is a 3-year veteran of this team, warrants a LITTLE more respect than he is given by most of us.

AGAIN... I am not saying he is great... I am not saying he is in the class of the incredibly awesome, God-like Roy Williams... I am saying, he is a REDKSIN... one with tenure... and if he doesn't want to give up his number, no one should even discuss it.

By the way... You guys realize #81 has NOT been retired yet...

Anyone think Winslow would be allowed to wear it??

Personally, I think we will retire the number this year... and/or at the very least they'll pull that whole "un-officially retired" deal they pulled with Wuerffel wanting #7 (Theismann's number)...

You're right, Hail. Only one number has been retired... Sammy Baugh's #33. I read that there is serious discussion to retire #28, maybe as soon as this year.

Here are the other "unofficially retired" numbers...

Joe Theismann 7
Sonny Jurgensen 9
Charley Taylor 42
Larry Brown 43
John Riggins 44
Bobby Mitchell 49
Art Monk 81

Mark Moseley's #3 was supposedly on this list, until the Jeff George Incident. I don't know what happened there.

This is all crazy talk! Who gives a crap what number you wear? I know it's important to an extent, but why commit more than a casual amount of energy to it.

When I was in high school, we had an interesting system for assigning jersey numbers. Every Thursday, before practice, we would all line up in order of seniority and starter status and whoever was first in line would get their pick of the available numbers. It was kind of screwy because you weren't guaranteed the same number every week.

I always wore #28, in honor of Darrell Green, and my birthday was July 28th. Even though by my senior year I was playing fullback and linebacker, I could still use that number. Well, one week I was late for the line-up for uniforms and this a**hole under-classman safety took my number. I really wanted to kick his ass, but it was my own fault for being late, so what could I do?

My point is, Ohelete got the number first, so therefore it is his to keep as long as he wants it. He doesn't have to take money for it, or challenge for it. It's his number. If he wants to take money for it, well, that's his decision. Personally, I'd give up my number for a couple million bucks. That would be more than enough to buy new shirts for all my family and friends. But that's just me.

Like I said, the one time I had to give up my number, I was seriously upset, so I understand the attachment players have to those big numbers posted on their chests and backs, but when it comes right down to it, the number you're wearing doesn't mean squat.

Personally, I'd like to see Portis adopt a new number anyway. It would be a sign of maturity and an ability to adapt to his new environment. Why make waves?

Just cut the crap!!!!!!!!!!!!

Give up the # allready! :argue:

I agree, Bunglehead. It's a pretty trivial thing to upset a teammate over, especially when you're the new guy on the team.

For his part, I think Portis has had a rather jocular attitude about it-- I don't think it's as big a deal to him as the press is making it out to be. I think Portis has just been having fun with it, without realizing the negative energy he's been putting out there by hamming it up with the press at his teammate's expense.

Ohalete doesn't seem to be taking this as lightly as Portis is treating it. Ohalete has refused to speak to the press, and obviously has rebuffed any attempts by Portis to settle the matter.

Portis needs to realize that egos can be very delicate things, and team chemistry-- especially on a team with so many new faces-- is easily spoiled. Clinton, accept your status as the new guy, the less-tenured player, and respect the status of the more veteran players on the team. If Ohalete wants to keep #26, smile, shake his hand, go find another number, and never say another word about it. We all know what a wonderful player you are, but we'd like you to prove that you're a wonderful teammate as well.

According to Redskins.com, Walter Rasby has his old jersey, #86, while Taylor Jacobs moved to #84.

Wonder what happened there?

[QUOTE=Beemnseven]According to Redskins.com, Walter Rasby has his old jersey, #86, while Taylor Jacobs moved to #84.

Wonder what happened there?[/QUOTE]

Different situation. A former Redskins coming back, and a 2nd year player giving him his old # back....a sign of respect.
Ohalete has been in the league (and wearing #26 for the Skins) longer than Portis, and Portis is new to the Skins....just pick a new number....

I like Jacobs with #84. Maybe he'll be the second coming of Gary Clark