Re: Is Brian Orakpo career as a Redskin possibly over
 

[quote=mlmdub130;1090339]He doesn't want to sign for a cheap deal, just like he didn't want to get the franchise tag. IMO if he indeed tore another pec there is no chance he gets any sort of long term deal. He is setting him self up for another one year prove it deal, [B]thankfully it won't be here[/B].[/quote]

Rak has not produced sacks as would be hoped or expected and is not elite. On the other hand, I am not "thankful" that it looks like a solid player will be moving on in the prime of his career. If it weren't for salary issues/expectations, Rak would be seen as a solid, but not spectacular, contributor to the defense.

If Rak were a former 7th round pick, we would be hoping to hold onto him at a reasonable price. I suspect that, just like D-Hall, Rak's absence will be felt beyond his immediate production.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1090377]Rak has not produced sacks as would be hoped or expected and is not elite. On the other hand, I am not "thankful" that it looks like a solid player will be moving on in the prime of his career. If it weren't for salary issues/expectations, Rak would be seen as a solid, but not spectacular, contributor to the defense.

If Rak were a former 7th round pick, we would be hoping to hold onto him at a reasonable price. I suspect that, just like D-Hall, Rak's absence will be felt beyond his immediate production.[/quote]

Rak may not be elite, but I'm sure having him on the other side of Kerrigan has helped Kerrigan in his production. As you said in your previous post, not the worst decision int he world to keep him around this year. I'm fine with him walking out, since someone will likely overpay him.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1090393]Rak may not be elite, but I'm sure having him on the other side of Kerrigan has helped Kerrigan in his production. As you said in your previous post, not the worst decision int he world to keep him around this year. I'm fine with him walking out, since someone will likely overpay him.[/quote]

I don't buy the arguement that he absence will make a huge impact on our defense. The year we lost him in 2012 in game 2 to another peck muscle tear our team went on a nice run and won the division. His loss hurt more in the short term than it did over the course of the season.

I was expecting Rak to be putting up some big numbers this year based on the addition of pass rushing specialist Coach Baker coming into the fold. We have seen his presence make an impact on Kerrigan, but Rak is still the same dude.

It will be interesting to see what they do moving forward... Rob Jackson is still unsigned. And I hate to say it but Rob would have made the play last week in the ARI game

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;1090394]I don't buy the arguement that he absence will make a huge impact on our defense. The year we lost him in 2012 in game 2 to another peck muscle tear our team went on a nice run and won the division. His loss hurt more in the short term than it did over the course of the season.

I was expecting Rak to be putting up some big numbers this year based on the addition of pass rushing specialist Coach Baker coming into the fold. We have seen his presence make an impact on Kerrigan, but Rak is still the same dude.

It will be interesting to see what they do moving forward... Rob Jackson is still unsigned. And I hate to say it but Rob would have made the play last week in the ARI game[/quote]

I guess we won't know until he's out. I mean, some people don't think much of D. Hall and we're hurting bad in passing defense now that he's out.

Re: Is Brian Orakpo career as a Redskin possibly over
 

Time to move on for both sides. Good dude and all but he's just not the difference maker we need him to be.

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I don't see why we couldn't replicate with Rak what was recently done with DHall. Let Rak test the open market -- he won't find big money with his combination of injury history and lack of production (stats-wise, at least) this season, and I wouldn't mind at all having him back but for a lot less money. If he comes in on a one year deal and tears it up (on the field I mean, not another pec), then we can consider something longer term. But I think he is surely better than anyone else we can plug in right now who is already on the squad or that we can pick up without spending a lot of $, and I would rather see that spent on O-Line and safety help where we are by far more thin. And if he isn't willing to come down money-wise, then we part ways and wish him well. I think the guy has not lived up to expectations, but I don't question his heart (his brains, maybe, for not realizing or pursing any move to the QB other than a bull rush).

Re: Is Brian Orakpo career as a Redskin possibly over
 

Just read that Orakpo's pec injury is most likely a season ender. Surprise surprise.

Re: Is Brian Orakpo career as a Redskin possibly over
 

At the end of the year, put a reasonable multi-year offer in front of him. (not sure what the number might be but certainly, 2nd tier DE money). If he takes it, great. If not, see ya.

I don't mind having him back. I do mind the constant "Should we have him back" debate. Decide what he's worth to the team over the next 4 years, put the offer out there, if he can do better, good for him.

Re: Is Brian Orakpo career as a Redskin possibly over
 

Torn, in my eyes, sadly he's done here

Re: Is Brian Orakpo career as a Redskin possibly over
 

[quote=JoeRedskin;1090405]At the end of the year, put a reasonable multi-year offer in front of him. (not sure what the number might be but certainly, 2nd tier DE money). If he takes it, great. If not, see ya.

I don't mind having him back. I do mind the constant "Should we have him back" debate. Decide what he's worth to the team over the next 4 years, put the offer out there, if he can do better, good for him.[/quote]

Realistically, the Redskins already have players on the team (even if it's by committee) that can come in and provide the same quality of play as Orakpo for much less than what we'd have to offer Brian to stay - even at a discount.

Cut him loose, wish him well, and allocate those funds toward keeping Ryan Kerrigan.

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So now that it is official, can we sign him cheap? Lol

Re: Is Brian Orakpo career as a Redskin possibly over
 

[quote=Ruhskins;1090396]I guess we won't know until he's out. I mean, some people don't think much of D. Hall and we're hurting bad in passing defense now that he's out.[/quote]

I would agrue that Hall is more important to the defense than Rak was.

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[quote=spAtt;1090414]So now that it is official, can we sign him cheap? Lol[/quote]

honestly, Im just tired of people bitching about this guy, lets let him walk

Re: Is Brian Orakpo career as a Redskin possibly over
 

It's official -- done for the year. Disappointing all around.

Trent Murphy, step on up.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000414295/article/redskins-brian-orakpo-torn-pectoral-headed-to-ir]Redskins' Brian Orakpo (torn pectoral) headed to IR - NFL.com[/url]

Re: Is Brian Orakpo career as a Redskin possibly over
 

I'd at least make a modest offer to Rak, but if someone wants to pay him more so be it.

Re: Is Brian Orakpo career as a Redskin possibly over
 

I'm ready to move on. I'm not sure what he does well. At this point he's a league average type player who thinks he's some dynamo pass-rusher...who gets hurts too much. We've seen his ceiling and can get it from a younger guy for much less. Or close to it.

Re: Is Brian Orakpo career as a Redskin possibly over
 

I would have to say his career with the Skins most probably over. Mainly for financial reasons.

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[quote=Mattyk;1090429]I'd at least make a modest offer to Rak, but if someone wants to pay him more so be it.[/quote]

Which actually may be in play now that he tore his pec again.

Hopefully Rex Ryan gets fired and we can hire him to right this defensive mess we have.

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In 2012 Kerrigan's numbers dropped without Orakpo on the other side. Is there a concern about added focus on Kerrigan or is that going to be a non-issue?

Re: Is Brian Orakpo career as a Redskin possibly over
 

[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1090439]In 2012 Kerrigan's numbers dropped without Orakpo on the other side. Is there a concern about added focus on Kerrigan or is that going to be a non-issue?[/quote]

Until Murphy proves himself I think it's a legit concern.

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I would say he is done. Guy can't stay healthy unfortunately. Farewell 1/2 Sackpo.

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[quote=Mattyk;1090440]Until Murphy proves himself I think it's a legit concern.[/quote]

Yup. Haven't seen the impact out of Murphy yet that I hoped for. Now would be a great time for him to shine, it would show that we have one less problem to worry about for next year.

Re: Is Brian Orakpo career as a Redskin possibly over
 

I'm still amazed at how many fanboys think that Rak is our best defensive player... :doh:

Re: Is Brian Orakpo career as a Redskin possibly over
 

[quote=Mattyk;1090429]I'd at least make a modest offer to Rak, but if someone wants to pay him more so be it.[/quote]

What is your idea of a "modest" contract? Just curious at the numbers involved.




Me, I said last year 9.5mil/yr was about all I would be willing to offer, but I overshot that by a lot. I wouldn't offer him anything over 5.5-6mil/yr to be honest.

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90% chance Orakpo is gone next year.

70% chance he signs in the NFC East.

50% chance he burns us at some point in the future.

Re: Is Brian Orakpo career as a Redskin possibly over
 

[quote=NC_Skins;1090446]What is your idea of a "modest" contract? Just curious at the numbers involved.




Me, I said last year 9.5mil/yr was about all I would be willing to offer, but I overshot that by a lot. I wouldn't offer him anything over 5.5-6mil/yr to be honest.[/quote]

What's the going rate for 3-4 OLB's that do nothing spectacularly but several things well? Who, due to injury, have missed the majority of two of the last four years?

I guess 5M/year. I dunno. I was thinking 4 yrs @ 4m/yr, 8M SB or something along those lines. I have no clue if that is realistic or a vast overpayment.

Re: Is Brian Orakpo career as a Redskin possibly over
 

[quote=NC_Skins;1090446]What is your idea of a "modest" contract? Just curious at the numbers involved.




Me, I said last year 9.5mil/yr was about all I would be willing to offer, but I overshot that by a lot. I wouldn't offer him anything over 5.5-6mil/yr to be honest.[/quote]

Maybe 6 or 7 per... although if Murphy shows he's capable just let him walk

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[quote=Mattyk;1090452]Maybe 6 or 7 per... although [B]if Murphy shows he's capable just let him walk[/B][/quote]

... and to be capable, he needs to show (1) an ability to cover in space; and (2) that he can keep folks from consistently doubling Kerrigan and/or Hatcher.

By the end of the year, if Murphy can win some 1 on 1's as a rusher and handle the coverage duties of an OLB in a 3-4 system w/o being a liability, Rak is pretty much superfluous.

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As usual, excellent analysis by Keim:

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/12120/assessing-brian-orakpos-redskins-career]Assessing Brian Orakpo's Washington Redskins career - ESPN[/url]

[quote]Rushing the passer is about more than sacks, and Orakpo influences the pass rush. But when you're being paid $11.45 million for one season and when you want to be paid even more, then you have to do more than set up others. You have to make game-changing plays. . . .

This is a playmakers' league, and Orakpo didn't make enough plays. He played the run well and didn't have any coverage mishaps, though he dropped an easy interception versus Arizona. . . .

In his first five seasons, Orakpo intercepted one pass and forced six fumbles (while recording 39.5 sacks). Some linebackers being paid the kind of money Orakpo seeks have forced the same number of turnovers in one season. . . .

He was a good player. The Redskins needed him to be great.[/quote]

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[quote=Mattyk;1090452]Maybe 6 or 7 per... although if Murphy shows he's capable just let him walk[/quote]

I'm with you on Murphy. He's not shown it yet, and I have my doubts he ever will. I think he lacks the athletic ability to get the job done on the right side. He's better coming up the middle than on the sides.

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Can't overpay for production, good teams would walk away. He is making superstar money on the 1 year tender. We'd have been a lot better off it that money was spent on 2 or 3 decent players. Maybe he will end up in DeAngelo Hall territory, where no one is interested in him except us.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1090252]This is who we should sign if the Lions don't franchise him:

Ndamukong Suh[/quote]

no no no no no

Re: Is Brian Orakpo career as a Redskin possibly over
 

[quote=JoeRedskin;1090455]As usual, excellent analysis by Keim:

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/12120/assessing-brian-orakpos-redskins-career]Assessing Brian Orakpo's Washington Redskins career - ESPN[/url][/quote]

pretty much my point. 6 forced fumbles in his career? this is his 6th season, 1 per year. that is so far from elite its ridiculous. he has forced 7 turnovers in his nfl career. rob jackson has 8 career forced turnovers...that puts that in perspective.

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;1090448]90% chance Orakpo is gone next year.

70% chance he signs in the NFC East.

50% chance he burns us at some point in the future.[/quote]

Lol yup. Watch him go straight to Philly or NY, and then when Polumbus gets his job back by some miracle Rak will go ham on him, and make everyone go, "why the hell did we let him go?"

I think Rak could still be an effective player, but his best shot will be with a 4-3 team. He just ain't cutting it here.

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[quote=mooby;1090474]Lol yup. Watch him go straight to Philly or NY, and then when Polumbus gets his job back by some miracle Rak will go ham on him, and make everyone go, "why the hell did we let him go?"

I think Rak could still be an effective player, but his best shot will be with a 4-3 team. He just ain't cutting it here.[/quote]

Rak plays on the right side. He'd be facing Trent Williams. Name me a single time in his career he has beat a top LT for a sack. I'll be waiting.

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[quote=Kindoy;1090460]no no no no no[/quote]

Yea, lets do Haynesworth again.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1090477]Yea, lets do Haynesworth again.[/quote]

I was against the Haynesworth signing, Suh is in shape and dominates everyone. How are the lions D doing?

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[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;1090377]Rak has not produced sacks as would be hoped or expected and is not elite. On the other hand, I am not "thankful" that it looks like a solid player will be moving on in the prime of his career. If it weren't for salary issues/expectations, Rak would be seen as a solid, but not spectacular, contributor to the defense.



If Rak were a former 7th round pick, we would be hoping to hold onto him at a reasonable price. I suspect that, just like D-Hall, Rak's absence will be felt beyond his immediate production.[/QUOTE]


I've always been a Rak supporter, but I've been frustrated with him ever since he said he had nothing to prove this year. And frankly he has had something to prove the entire time he has been here, and has never lived up to the 13th pick that was used on him, albeit mainly to injury.

I remember watching Orakpo and our current QB playing at Texas and wishing some way some how the Redskins would draft him. Then on draft day Al Davis saw Derius Heyward Bey's 40 time and the rest is history. Unfortunately now Orakpo has torn a pec for the third time in his sixth season.

I would love to have Orakpo here next year, it would be amazing. However the only way I am keeping him here is with a vet min deal with bonuses on the back end. If he wants any more than that which I'm sure he will, I'll pass.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1090456]I'm with you on Murphy. He's not shown it yet, and I have my doubts he ever will. I think he lacks the athletic ability to get the job done on the right side. He's better coming up the middle than on the sides.[/quote]

The most immediate concern with Murphy is coverage. Romo and his Frankenstein TE will eat us alive this week.

Murphy didn't cover in college and his first match up is against a dude that makes veterans look bad.

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I still can't see the FO's logic in letting Rob Jackson go only to take a chance on a draft pick, most 3-4 OLBs struggle rookie season. Jackson stepped in and made an impact at every opportunity.

Meanwhile RT doesn't get upgraded. BA hasn't been great in the personnel decisions and maybe the biggest thing holding team back. That and RG's injuries.