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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1286028]So the NFL is putting players in white collar prison? Sounds legit. Fucking mafia. And we know it's not because they care about the players. Just trying to protect their money coming in.[/quote]

Everything is so extreme with you. Sometimes you have to make compromises in difficult situations when there are competing interests to consider.

People are doing their best and trying to come up with guidelines and ideas as best they can. Covid sucks but we have to act like adults and make the best of a shitty situation.

I assume you run red lights and hand out cigarettes to toddlers .. because "fucking mafia", right?

Lighten up ... being an adult is about being able to deal with the shittier parts of life and not throwing a tantrum about it.

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I would think unvaxxed life in the NFL would get old really quick. Hopefully that will push players on the fence to get the shot.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1286028]So the NFL is putting players in white collar prison? Sounds legit. Fucking mafia. And we know it's not because they care about the players. Just trying to protect their money coming in.[/quote]

Of course the NFL wants to protect their money coming in and so should the players. Its unfortunate the NFL has to enact these rules to protect adults from their own stupidity, stubbornness or combination of both.

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Skins are gonna have to test there ass off at beginning of camp. These dudes are vacationing all over the globe with the big delta doing its thing.

What about Skins staff, has all I the coaches been vaxxed? I doubt it, especially Lil Bigly Jack del Rio


I bet if Dan put some money up as cash incentive these guys would get it

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I thought I read somewhere that all the Tier 1 and 2 staff had been vaccinated already, which would be coaches and medical staff.

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[quote=Chico23231;1285973]“Well deserved distrust” is as much as bullshit as any other…especially ages 40 and below.

Stop making excuses, it’s absolute nonsensical as minorities can’t get IDs for voting[/quote]

Educate yourself. In the 1930s the government enrolled only African Americans in a study, without telling them it was a study, and promised them free health care in exchange. Those who had syphilis were eligible. They studied the long term effects of the disease, and despite the fact that a treatment was available, it was never given. They studied these people for 40 years to see what would happen.

That's human experimentation. It's one thing if you're signing up for a clinical trial for a cancer drug, knowing that it may not work, and they explain your chances and the theory and exactly what they'll be giving to you... and then they actually give you exactly what they say they would give you.

It's entirely different to conduct trials like this without telling people the deal.

There are very valid, deep-seated trust issues between the minority communities and the medical establishment.

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[quote=Schneed10;1286035]Educate yourself. In the 1930s the government enrolled only African Americans in a study, without telling them it was a study, and promised them free health care in exchange. Those who had syphilis were eligible. They studied the long term effects of the disease, and despite the fact that a treatment was available, it was never given. They studied these people for 40 years to see what would happen.

That's human experimentation. It's one thing if you're signing up for a clinical trial for a cancer drug, knowing that it may not work, and they explain your chances and the theory and exactly what they'll be giving to you... and then they actually give you exactly what they say they would give you.

It's entirely different to conduct trials like this without telling people the deal.

There are very valid, deep-seated trust issues between the minority communities and the medical establishment.[/quote]

While as disgusting as it was…not a reason why minorities are not getting a vaccine.

It’s spew propaganda to run cover on y local government to federal government failures when looking at demographics data and trying to figure out why the unvaccinated remain high in certain areas of the country.

I’ll point to more relevant and recent statements by the government …j&j pause, inconsistent messages by trump and Biden administrations, cdc messaging…why the distrust in the vaccine exist.

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[quote=Chico23231;1286036][B]While as disgusting as it was…not a reason why minorities are not getting a vaccine.[/B]

It’s spew propaganda to run cover on y local government to federal government failures when looking at demographics data and trying to figure out why the unvaccinated remain high in certain areas of the country.

I’ll point to more relevant and recent statements by the government …j&j pause, inconsistent messages by trump and Biden administrations, cdc messaging…why the distrust in the vaccine exist.[/quote]

Empirical evidence says otherwise. You're just making shit up at this point. When you try to say a lot about shit you know nothing about, you expose yourself pretty rapidly.

Maybe look into the Dunning-Kruger effect. You're the poster child.

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[quote=SunnySide;1286030]Everything is so extreme with you. Sometimes you have to make compromises in difficult situations when there are competing interests to consider.

People are doing their best and trying to come up with guidelines and ideas as best they can. Covid sucks but we have to act like adults and make the best of a shitty situation.

[B]I assume you run red lights and hand out cigarettes to toddlers .. because "fucking mafia", right?[/B]

Lighten up ... being an adult is about being able to deal with the shittier parts of life and not throwing a tantrum about it.[/quote]

Locking people in their rooms like they are 2nd class citizens to me is extreme imo. This isn't a compromise for the players. This is the NFL trying to make life hell for them, so they just give up, and go get vaccinated.

The NFL and a large population of Americans in general would probably support forced vaccinations if possible.

If I was a player, I think any risk with getting vaccinated would be way less than not being able to live normally with my teammates.

That is why I got my shot. I wasn't excited to get it. But I decided that I much rather live as normal as possible and take my chances with any adverse side effects to the vaccination. Other people, including players, might not think the same, or just outright don't want it. And that is their choice to make. Doesn't make them all fucking idiots, which seems to be a common theme, not just here, but in general.

When people's rights are being affected, I will always have a problem with it. If that makes me extreme, than I'm extreme.

[B]Totally the same thing.[/B]

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[quote=Schneed10;1286035][B]Educate yourself. In the 1930s the government enrolled only African Americans in a study, without telling them it was a study, and promised them free health care in exchange. Those who had syphilis were eligible. They studied the long term effects of the disease, and despite the fact that a treatment was available, it was never given. They studied these people for 40 years to see what would happen.[/B]

That's human experimentation. It's one thing if you're signing up for a clinical trial for a cancer drug, knowing that it may not work, and they explain your chances and the theory and exactly what they'll be giving to you... and then they actually give you exactly what they say they would give you.

It's entirely different to conduct trials like this without telling people the deal.

There are very valid, deep-seated trust issues between the minority communities and the medical establishment.[/quote]

This is one of the most sickening things I've ever read about in my life. So fucking terrible. I could definitely see how that could sew mistrust, even today. It really wasn't that long ago.

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[quote=Schneed10;1286038]Empirical evidence says otherwise. You're just making shit up at this point. When you try to say a lot about shit you know nothing about, you expose yourself pretty rapidly.

[B]Maybe look into the Dunning-Kruger effect. You're the poster child.[/B][/quote]

Whoa Sheldon, that’s a bit much…

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The NFL has said they are not going to cancel or postpone any games this year, so yeah they are taking as many precautions as possible. Can't blame them for protecting the bottom line at any cost.

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Schneed10 coming into this thread like

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"More pressure on players to get vaccinated. Washington ranked among the top teams last season with only a few players testing positive for covid, but it’s been among the lowest in player vaccination rate. Two weeks ago they were at 36%, per source."

WOW, didn't think it would be that low, Ron not getting through to them. Hope the prospect of forfeiting games and game cheques will speed some up otherwise we are in deep crap. Could cost us 2-4 games, they dont have that much of a margin

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That Covid shot was a real ass kicker. I was down for 5 days. Never felt so bad in my life. I can see why guys don't want to get it.

I just don't see how any team can compete for a championship if they don't have everyone vaccinated.

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Wow, agreeing with Ezekiel Elliot. I need to re-think my whole life:

"I got the vaccine just because I wanted to put myself in the best situation to be out there for my team week in and week out. But I mean, not everyone feels that strongly or maybe other people still have their view of vaccines. You can't force someone to do something that they don't want to do to their body," said Elliott, who was diagnosed with COVID-19 last summer.

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New England Patriots linebacker Matt Judon expressed his frustration with the NFL's new policy with a tweet that said: "The NFLPA F---ing sucks."

This dude is extreme!

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Looks like teams who cant play because of covid could end up forfeiting those games. No rescheduling like last year.

[url]https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-covid-19-outbreaks-unvaccinated-players-forfeit-cancelled-game[/url]

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Here's to body shaming. A lot of us already knew, my body, my choice, was a regular John Denver.

It's really your choice only after the democratic party announces it's your choice.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1286160]Here's to body shaming. A lot of us already knew, my body, my choice, was a regular John Denver.

It's really your choice only after the democratic party announces it's your choice.[/quote]

Would love this attitude in the 50's, maybe we could still be battling polio today!

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[quote=irish;1286159]Looks like teams who cant play because of covid could end up forfeiting those games. No rescheduling like last year.

[url]https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-covid-19-outbreaks-unvaccinated-players-forfeit-cancelled-game[/url][/quote]

Big news

Did anyone see Deandre Hopkins full social media statement? Didn’t know he was maga

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From my perspective it can only be a matter of "my body my choice" when no one else is affected.

The rest of this post has been deleted as it is too philosophical/political and does not belong on a football thread. Apologies

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The league said games would be forfeited IF they cant reschedule .. but they also said there will not be as accommodating as last year, no 18th week and probably not tues and Wed games.

its out of our control and hands .. im just going to wait to see what happens .. as the world turns, so are these the days of our lives.

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Two OL coaches, Pats & Vikings, fired for refusing to get the vaccine......

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There was a point in time when a choice was just a choice - not too damn long ago either. Now it's entitlement? Guess we'll be calling it privelege before too long...

This is still America right?

Get the vaccine if you want it. Don't get the vaccine if you don't want it. Don't shame anyone else for making a decision opposite of yours. You're not "right". You just made a different choice.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1286224]There was a point in time when a choice was just a choice - not too damn long ago either. Now it's entitlement? Guess we'll be calling it privelege before too long...

This is still America right?

Get the vaccine if you want it. Don't get the vaccine if you don't want it. Don't shame anyone else for making a decision opposite of yours. You're not "right". You just made a different choice.[/QUOTE]

Bro, calm down!! Do what the man tells you! No questions allowed!

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Apologies, I will concede that "entitlement" is somewhat of a mischaracterization, I was not at my best when I wrote that post. Though I did preface the statement with "from my perspective", which was from a splitting headache at the time.

There is obviously a deeper philosophical discussion that could be had (not here) about "free choice" and how individual choice effects the rest of society and what personal liberties are sacrificed to maintain that society.

Questioning is always good, you should never stop questioning the status quo.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1286224]There was a point in time when a choice was just a choice - not too damn long ago either. Now it's entitlement? Guess we'll be calling it privelege before too long...

This is still America right?

Get the vaccine if you want it. Don't get the vaccine if you don't want it. Don't shame anyone else for making a decision opposite of yours. You're not "right". You just made a different choice.[/quote]

This

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Apologies to everyone for being far too political in a football thread.

Bottom line is if the NFL follows through on "forfeiting" games and salaries then with five division games in a row at the end of the season it could well determine who goes to the playoffs. Especially as an "outbreak" could well cover two games. The NFL has done this to cause peer pressure in the lockerroom where normally each guys business is his own, this I don't agree with. Could cause divisions if a team misses tge playoffs as a result

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1286224]There was a point in time when a choice was just a choice - not too damn long ago either. Now it's entitlement? Guess we'll be calling it privelege before too long...

This is still America right?

Get the vaccine if you want it. Don't get the vaccine if you don't want it. Don't shame anyone else for making a decision opposite of yours. You're not "right". You just made a different choice.[/quote]

Protecting yourself and others is always the right choice.

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1286231]Apologies to everyone for being far too political in a football thread.

[/quote]

Youre good Edmund. Impossible to talk covid and sports without politics being involved. Dont feel like you need to apologize to the anti-mask anti-vax crowd.

They're a strange bunch.

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1286231]Apologies to everyone for being far too political in a football thread.

Bottom line is if the NFL follows through on "forfeiting" games and salaries then with five division games in a row at the end of the season it could well determine who goes to the playoffs. Especially as an "outbreak" could well cover two games. The NFL has done this to cause peer pressure in the lockerroom where normally each guys business is his own, this I don't agree with. Could cause divisions if a team misses tge playoffs as a result[/quote]

NO, the NFL did this because there is no room to reschedule games.
Stop trying to deflect the blame from the players.
If you infect your team, you're an asshole!

I guarantee you Haskins is going to take down the Steelers with Super Stripper Covid. Too bad he isn't a Cowboy.

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[quote=SunnySide;1286255]Youre good Edmund. Impossible to talk covid and sports without politics being involved. Dont feel like you need to apologize to the anti-mask anti-vax crowd.

They're a strange bunch.[/quote]

Thanks, was apologizing in general for veering off of football, I know it annoys many, including myself, when that happens, occasionally though you get caught up in rant mode :)

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1286224]There was a point in time when a choice was just a choice - not too damn long ago either. Now it's entitlement? Guess we'll be calling it privelege before too long...

This is still America right?

Get the vaccine if you want it. Don't get the vaccine if you don't want it. Don't shame anyone else for making a decision opposite of yours. You're not "right". You just made a different choice.[/quote]

Yes you can make that call but it comes at a price and that price might be your job or the lives of family ,friends or yourself.

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[quote=SunnySide;1286255]Youre good Edmund. Impossible to talk covid and sports without politics being involved. Dont feel like you need to apologize to the anti-mask anti-vax crowd.

[B]They're a strange bunch.[/B][/quote]

What makes you say that?

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1286269]What makes you say that?[/quote]

Stop. Don’t take the bait.

U have to be familiar with SS political post

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[quote=Chico23231;1286271]Stop. Don’t take the bait.

U have to be familiar with SS political post[/quote]

Not really, I try not to pay much attention to it. I just get a kick out of these keyboard warriors talking shit about others because they happen to have a different opinion, or make different decisions, for reasons they don't have a fucking clue about.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1286273]Not really, I try not to pay much attention to it. I just get a kick out of these keyboard warriors talking shit about others [B]because they happen to have a different opinion, or make different decisions, for reasons they don't have a fucking clue about.[/B][/quote]

Chief normally I tend to agree with your reasonable and level-headed opinions, but if you're gonna say some shit like this at least enlighten us.

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Enlighten you about what exactly?

SS called a large portion of the population a strange bunch, seemingly because he disagrees with their beliefs and/or decisions. I'm saying he has no fucking clue. I don't know if that is enlightening or not.

Like I said, it's funny to see people like him talk shit behind their keyboards about those they disagree with, not knowing their particular rationale for making the decisions they do.

It's all good. Putting large swaths of people into one bucket is the new thing to do I guess. Like those 60,000,000 + deplorables...

Back to football.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1286281]Enlighten you about what exactly?

SS called a large portion of the population a strange bunch, seemingly because he disagrees with their beliefs and/or decisions. I'm saying he has no fucking clue. I don't know if that is enlightening or not.

Like I said, it's funny to see people like him talk shit behind their keyboards about those they disagree with, not knowing their particular rationale for making the decisions they do.

It's all good. Putting large swaths of people into one bucket is the new thing to do I guess. Like those 60,000,000 + deplorables...

Back to football.[/quote]

I'm saying if he/we don't have a clue, enlighten us.

For me covid in relation to sports - guys will do anything to win - and I mean anything. They would kill people if it enhanced their ability to play football. They will take years off their life leading with their head on every other play. But they won't get a shot? Even when you know without a doubt (it doesn't matter if the vaccine is effective or not) that not getting a vaccine will actively hurt the team and make it tougher for the next season?