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[QUOTE=offiss]To bad gruden didn't play it safe, oh yea he won though.

Nonesense! Playing it safe is what cost us the game, playing it safe is only another word for playing scared, giving the ball back to tampa was the most unsafe call we could have made, what if we open up the offense like we did the entire game and make a first down? Maybe we win? Winners are not afraid to play to win, losers play not to lose.

With that kind of thinking we might as well take a knee in overtime.

I hope this finally wakes Gibbs up to the realazation that Portis is not a power back, and our line can't power run.[/QUOTE]


That absolutely makes no sense whatsoever.

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prolly it was one hella a game but they wont show you the angle where u can clearly see his elbow touching and ball tucked away and that is a guarentee cuz they are not allowed ot make mistakes

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]Are you talking about on that last TD drive, when the Bucs were down by a touchdown? Of course Gruden is not going to play it safe, he needs to go for the win. If he had the lead though you don't think he would have kept the ball on the ground?[/QUOTE]


NOOOOOO, I am talking about going for a 2 point conversion for the win, and not playing it safe for a tie, you know like doing whatever you have to do within reason to not allow the game to be decieded by a coin flip in overtime, because at that point no one was stopping anyone, to bad Gibbs didn't realize that.

And for the second part of your question absolutly not, if his short yardage running game is as bad as ours, I say no, You do not rely on the weakest part of your offense in the most crucial part of the game, we are not so, so, on short yardage plays, we are dreadful, and yet there we are running the ball 3 downs in a row and going no where taking a whopping 1 minute off the clock, and this is not a first time issue, Gibbs has done it over and over since he's come back, our defense has bailed him out quite a few times, unfortunatly he should have taken into account we are without some key players on defense and couldn't risk giving the ball back to Tampa.

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Not to pin the loss on Frost, but I don't believe that Gibbs expected Frost to have a 35 yard pooch punt at the end of the game.

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We can second guess every decision til we're blue in the face, but what this game boiled down to yet again was turnovers. Simple as that. When you lose that battle, most times you lose the game.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]Not to pin the loss on Frost, but I don't believe that Gibbs expected Frost to have a 35 yard pooch punt at the end of the game.[/QUOTE]

If Frost boots it further, then Tampa just marches down that much longer and leaves us less time to attempt to get in FG range.

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All I can say is Gibbs should get a $1,000,000 fine for his comments on the refs this game...

Well, maybe I'll say one more thing. We are a very, very good team. We should be proud that it takes 53 Bucs and a 7 man officiating crew to beat us...

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[QUOTE=jdlea]They most certainly missed the call on the 2 point conversion, but if you don't jump they don't get to the one and they don't go. If you don't get torched, they don't get down the field and score. The Skins need to take ownership too, if they didn't leave the door open, this isn't a loss. If they go for juggular and convert on 3rd and 2 the possession never happens. Mental mistakes lead to situations where bad calls could be made. I, personally, think Betts stepped out, but that went our way.

Obviously the call on the 2 was horrendous and it cost the Skins the game, but it really should have never come down to that. That's a bad team we played and a terrible offense and we gave up 36. If we needed to drop more into coverage tehy should have...that was horrendous play by the D backs that cost us this game as much as anything else.[/QUOTE]

Extremely well said jdlea.
Great effort today by a few guys, but as Gibbs says,'it's a team loss'. OL gets Portis thru different ball game. Secondary doesn't leave peeps wide open deep (with NO help from safety) different game. No offsides on EP different game, DL stops Alstott at the GL right up the middle ( I honestly don't think he got in, but angles were kinda inconclusive) different game. But hey this is the NFL and somedays you get more breaks than others. Bottom line we shouldn't have been in these positions in the first place.

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you guys are the biggest bunch of non football fans ever.if we throw the ball on 3rd and 2 and it falls incomplete,then everyone in this thread wants coach gibbs head on a platter.winning football dictates a run in that position.winning football also dictates picking up 2 lousy yards and the first down.our running game moved the ball very well yesterday,but we could probably use #46 as our short yardage back.we are getting close guys,but it might take coach gibbs one more year.im still not giving up on this year

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dmek - You throw a high percentage pass in that situation. No one wants a bomb down field. We want a quick curl or something in the flat that we can hit with ease. Do you really not think a play action in the same formation we used three times in a row would not have yielded a receiver with two yards? When it comes down to it, you go for the first down and control your own destiny by taking a knee instead of having to stop an offense that had been driving all over us yesterday.

The worst that can happen would be an INT return. That means we have more time to come back. I simply think a high percentage throw would have made more sense there because they knew it was a run without any doubt.

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Why oh why would we pass if we were averaging almost 8 yds per run?

Its funny how we lose because of defensive breakdowns, and all of a sudden Gibbs is at fault?

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[QUOTE=Daseal]dmek - You throw a high percentage pass in that situation. No one wants a bomb down field. We want a quick curl or something in the flat that we can hit with ease. Do you really not think a play action in the same formation we used three times in a row would not have yielded a receiver with two yards? When it comes down to it, you go for the first down and control your own destiny by taking a knee instead of having to stop an offense that had been driving all over us yesterday.

The worst that can happen would be an INT return. That means we have more time to come back. I simply think a high percentage throw would have made more sense there because they knew it was a run without any doubt.[/QUOTE]

The only reason anybody is saying that a pass play should have been called is beacause the run that was tried didnt work. It called hindsight and as the OBC said "Hindsight is 50-50.".

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daseal,do you really think we deserve to win when we cant pick up 2 yards?what do you think of tampas chances of scoring on us with less than 2 minutes to go and simms at q back?i say until our o line assumes the responsibilty of achieving two yards in these situations,we are what we are, a 500 ball club

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[QUOTE=Daseal]The worst that can happen would be an INT return. That means we have more time to come back.[/QUOTE]

Am I understanding you right? Are you saying we should have passed becase at worst the Bucs pick it off and return for a TD, and this is good because if they're going to score better to score quickly? As opposed to running it and getting a first down or not getting the first down but also not turning the ball over deep in Redskins territory.

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[quote]The worst thing that could happen would be an INT return.[/quote]

This is a joke, right?

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your looking at it all wrong we shouldnt have to come back we should end it now. And i was just watching PTI they said the same thing as me obviously not in but the NFL will not care to admit there mistake

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[QUOTE=Daseal]
The worst that can happen would be an INT return. That means we have more time to come back. I simply think a high percentage throw would have made more sense there because they knew it was a run without any doubt.[/QUOTE]

Daseal,

Sorry, but that is absurd. You throw an INT on third down and it goes back for a TD, then you're going to put your offense on the field against the #1 defense in the league? With all due respect, that's crazy. While you might have more time to drive down the field for a field goal, you might also get forced to go three and out and to punt it back to the other team - giving them time enough to drive down the field to win the game with a field goal try.

In this case, the best thing to do is to burn the clock, and defend your lead. This falls squarely on the defense doing their job, and our defense didn't get the job done. This wasn't a let down by Joe Gibbs at all.

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Just got back from Europe and just finished watching yesterday's heartbreaker. Comments:

1. Betts was out of bounds on the KO return. Bad call by refs but not enough visual evidence on tape to overturn.

2. Alstott was not in the end zone on the conversion. Bad call by refs but not enough visual evidence on tape to overturn.

3. Someone said we all "know the league hates Snyder" and has encouraged the refs to skew calls away from the Skins. I'll believe that next week when the Raiders are here. Here's what everyone knows: Tagliabue - and Rozelle before him - would like to have had Al Davis tarred and feathered. Now if the refs give a bunch of blatantly bad calls to the Raiders over the Skins, I'll start to believe - though it will still not be 100% - that there is a league-wide conspiracy out there.

4. Carlos Rogers has a LOT to learn about playing CB in the NFL. Trouble is that he won't learn it on the bench.

5. Arrington was "in the air" trying to slam Alstott on both of Alstott's TDs in addition to the 2-point conversion. It didn't work any of the three times.

6. Portis shredded a defense that is VERY good yesterday.

7. Derrick Dockery has not improved enough to convince me that he is a good starting offensive lineman in the NFL.

8. Damn, but Marcus Washington is a good linebacker!

9. Either Derrick Brooks was playing hurt yesterday or he has lost about a step and a half.

10. Cadillac Willliams looked like a Hyundai yesterday.