game & refs

Hail2em · 11-13-2005, 08:46 PM

I'm really upset at this game, for 1 our secondary sucks, for a team that couldn't beat the 49er's they sure put it on us. couldn't get to the QB for shit. our blitzing sucks, and not to mention turnovers once again killed us and you can't leave the sorry ass refs out of this because in the first quater clearly shows he was not forced out and on the 2 pt conversion alstott elbow was down b4 the ball crossed the goal line. please some one respond to this because i want to read what you guys reply.

Daseal · 11-13-2005, 08:48 PM

To me, this one comes down to the call to run it on 3rd and two instead of going for the first down with a short throw which would have ended the game if we completed and yielded no different result any other way except giving us more time to drive the field.

Duffman003 · 11-13-2005, 08:52 PM

I don't think the refs were that bad today... they can't get every call

wilsowilso · 11-13-2005, 08:59 PM

I couldn't agree more Daseal.

Funbunchfan · 11-13-2005, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Duffman003

I don't think the refs were that bad today... they can't get every call

Thinking like that will get you linched after this game I think. LOL

hurrykaine · 11-13-2005, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Daseal

To me, this one comes down to the call to run it on 3rd and two instead of going for the first down with a short throw which would have ended the game if we completed and yielded no different result any other way except giving us more time to drive the field.

Disagree. The play call was decent, but we should've picked up the first down on that Portis Run. The O-line has got to help the back pick up that down.

I'm heartbroken by the loss, but some positives:
1. Showed heart to play the way we did in the second half.
2. Giants lost.
3. Should have Griffin and Taylor back next week.

We're even-steven. We had no business winning against Seattle. They lost that one. Tampa made the plays at the end to win this game. We lost this one. Even-Steven, baby.

jdlea · 11-13-2005, 09:04 PM

They most certainly missed the call on the 2 point conversion, but if you don't jump they don't get to the one and they don't go. If you don't get torched, they don't get down the field and score. The Skins need to take ownership too, if they didn't leave the door open, this isn't a loss. If they go for juggular and convert on 3rd and 2 the possession never happens. Mental mistakes lead to situations where bad calls could be made. I, personally, think Betts stepped out, but that went our way.

Obviously the call on the 2 was horrendous and it cost the Skins the game, but it really should have never come down to that. That's a bad team we played and a terrible offense and we gave up 36. If we needed to drop more into coverage tehy should have...that was horrendous play by the D backs that cost us this game as much as anything else.

SmootSmack · 11-13-2005, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by hurrykaine

Disagree. The play call was decent, but we should've picked up the first down on that Portis Run. The O-line has got to help the back pick up that down.

I'm with you 100% on this one. Early in the game someone in the chat room was bitching why did we pass on 3rd and 2 when Portis was running right through the Tampa D. And then when we run on 3rd and 2 the question is why didn't we pass?

What if they went for the pass and it was intercepted or Brunell got sacked and fumbled? That deep in your own territory, that late in the game, you have to play it safe. No matter how boring it is.

wilsowilso · 11-13-2005, 09:07 PM

The pass rush is officially really bad.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 11-13-2005, 09:08 PM

I don't think this game came down to poor calls by the refs. We got a break on the TD run by Betts and the fumble by Carnell Williams.

The Alstott call seemed like a reasonable one to me. Can anyone say with a straight face and 100% certainty that Alstott didn't cross the goal line? I can't. It was a questionable call, but one that shouldn't have been overturned on review (where there must be indisputable evidence to reverse the call).

Hail2em · 11-13-2005, 09:09 PM

cant see how you diagree with the 2 pt call...his elbow was down b4 the goal therefore how could the ball be across the goal...come on man you need glasses just as they do!!

Big C · 11-13-2005, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

I don't think this game came down to poor calls by the refs. We got a break on the TD run by Betts and the fumble by Carnell Williams.

The Alstott call seemed like a reasonable one to me. Can anyone say with a straight face and 100% certainty that Alstott didn't cross the goal line? I can't. It was a questionable call, but one that shouldn't have been overturned on review (where there must be indisputable evidence to reverse the call).

its pretty hard to call that a TD in the first place, it was just a straight up guess by the ref

jdlea · 11-13-2005, 09:12 PM

At regular speed I was positive he was in. I never thought there was a doubt, but during the replay you can see his elbow hit the ground and it doesn't hit any paint. That was the hand he had the ball in. He was facing backwards, he wasn't it.

Hail2em · 11-13-2005, 09:13 PM

hell yeah i can say it with a straight face...he didnt cross the line his ELBOW WAS DOWN b4 the goal and i'll say it again the elbow down how can the ball be across!!!!!!!!!!!!!

skinsguy · 11-13-2005, 09:15 PM

Our three turnovers in the first half is probably the difference more than anything else. Until we learn to not turn the ball over, we're going to suffer more frustration like today. I think I am dejected from this game than our game against the Giants.

11-13-2005, 08:46 PM	#1
Hail2em Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Va. Beach, Virginia Posts: 229	game & refs I'm really upset at this game, for 1 our secondary sucks, for a team that couldn't beat the 49er's they sure put it on us. couldn't get to the QB for shit. our blitzing sucks, and not to mention turnovers once again killed us and you can't leave the sorry ass refs out of this because in the first quater clearly shows he was not forced out and on the 2 pt conversion alstott elbow was down b4 the ball crossed the goal line. please some one respond to this because i want to read what you guys reply.

11-13-2005, 08:48 PM	#2
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 41 Posts: 8,341	Re: game & refs To me, this one comes down to the call to run it on 3rd and two instead of going for the first down with a short throw which would have ended the game if we completed and yielded no different result any other way except giving us more time to drive the field. __________________ Best. Player. Available.

11-13-2005, 08:52 PM	#3
Duffman003 Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 602	Re: game & refs I don't think the refs were that bad today... they can't get every call

11-13-2005, 08:59 PM	#4
wilsowilso Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Los Angeles Age: 51 Posts: 2,841	Re: game & refs I couldn't agree more Daseal.

11-13-2005, 09:04 PM	#7
jdlea Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, VA Age: 40 Posts: 3,109	Re: game & refs They most certainly missed the call on the 2 point conversion, but if you don't jump they don't get to the one and they don't go. If you don't get torched, they don't get down the field and score. The Skins need to take ownership too, if they didn't leave the door open, this isn't a loss. If they go for juggular and convert on 3rd and 2 the possession never happens. Mental mistakes lead to situations where bad calls could be made. I, personally, think Betts stepped out, but that went our way. Obviously the call on the 2 was horrendous and it cost the Skins the game, but it really should have never come down to that. That's a bad team we played and a terrible offense and we gave up 36. If we needed to drop more into coverage tehy should have...that was horrendous play by the D backs that cost us this game as much as anything else.

11-13-2005, 09:07 PM	#9
wilsowilso Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Los Angeles Age: 51 Posts: 2,841	Re: game & refs The pass rush is officially really bad.

11-13-2005, 09:08 PM	#10
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 45 Posts: 8,317	Re: game & refs I don't think this game came down to poor calls by the refs. We got a break on the TD run by Betts and the fumble by Carnell Williams. The Alstott call seemed like a reasonable one to me. Can anyone say with a straight face and 100% certainty that Alstott didn't cross the goal line? I can't. It was a questionable call, but one that shouldn't have been overturned on review (where there must be indisputable evidence to reverse the call).

11-13-2005, 09:09 PM	#11
Hail2em Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Va. Beach, Virginia Posts: 229	Re: game & refs cant see how you diagree with the 2 pt call...his elbow was down b4 the goal therefore how could the ball be across the goal...come on man you need glasses just as they do!!

11-13-2005, 09:12 PM	#13
jdlea Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, VA Age: 40 Posts: 3,109	Re: game & refs At regular speed I was positive he was in. I never thought there was a doubt, but during the replay you can see his elbow hit the ground and it doesn't hit any paint. That was the hand he had the ball in. He was facing backwards, he wasn't it.

11-13-2005, 09:13 PM	#14
Hail2em Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Va. Beach, Virginia Posts: 229	Re: game & refs hell yeah i can say it with a straight face...he didnt cross the line his ELBOW WAS DOWN b4 the goal and i'll say it again the elbow down how can the ball be across!!!!!!!!!!!!!

11-13-2005, 09:15 PM	#15
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 6,766	Re: game & refs Our three turnovers in the first half is probably the difference more than anything else. Until we learn to not turn the ball over, we're going to suffer more frustration like today. I think I am dejected from this game than our game against the Giants. __________________ "Fire Up That Diesel!"

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