[QUOTE=Mattyk;960881]You're doing exactly what you accuse everyone else of, taking things to the extreme.[/QUOTE]

I appreciate you notice that I say that. I do say that. Lol. Youre good.
Maybe love is the wrong word how about approve.


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It took Gary kubiak a full five years to make the texans a contender. He needs more time

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[quote=punch it in;960883]Oh come on, all the great things he has done? The amount of times i have heard how much better off we are than three years ago? The constant referincing to the 20th century Super Bowls? Coaches change all the time in every major sport. They succeed or they fail. It isnt the "changing" that leads to the same old shit its the "wrong decisions" that lead to the same old shit. Bound to land a solid coach eventually. Hoped Shanny would work out. He isnt. He wont. If we win 6 or less i say thats that.


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If you truly do not think the team in place today is not superior to the team MS inherited, you certainly are not up for....any realistic discussion.

[QUOTE=johnwayne;960885]It took Gary kubiak a full five years to make the texans a contender. He needs more time[/QUOTE]

Yes but they did have their first four non- losing seasons in those years. He took over a joke and made them respectable almost immediately. Shanny took over a joke and made them - well as of today - a joke - a younger joke with slightly less wins.


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[QUOTE=Hog1;960887]If you truly do not think the team in place today is not superior to the team MS inherited, you certainly are not up for....any realistic discussion.[/QUOTE]

And if you watched the game today you would know better than to use "this team" and "superior" in the same sentence.


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[quote=Paintrain;960831]This is a really good point. For the "fire" crowd you want to bring in a new coach with a new system with no first round picks the next two seasons to build with. That's brilliant.

This thread is pointless because Shanahan isn't going anywhere until his contract is out, unless it is of his choosing. Drafting RGIII locked in 2013, nobody is getting fired offensively and risking screwing up the best thing this franchise has had since Sammy Baugh. There will be significant changes on the staff but those wanting a new head coach will be sorely disappointed.[/quote]It's going to be a new system next year even if Shanahan survives.

The thing to avoid is having Kyle leave to take another position next year, changing systems, and then having to conclude what we already know about Mike in 2013, forcing another system change in 2014.

Just accept the inevitable, and get the long term solution in here. One change, get it right.

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[quote=Mattyk;960867]Other than Gibbs... who is?

That said I recall plenty of folks not being big fans of Gibbs 2.0. Remember the "he backed into the playoffs twice" stuff?

Unless someone can come in here and turn things around on a dime and do no wrong, we're always going to hear the same crap.[/quote]I have eternal hope that the next hire is the right guy for the fanbase and franchise.

The Redskins are not an easy job for a coach. It takes a special person to win here.

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[quote=punch it in;960883]Oh come on, all the great things he has done? The amount of times i have heard how much better off we are than three years ago? The constant referincing to the 20th century Super Bowls? [B]Coaches change all the time in every major sport. They succeed or they fail. It isnt the "changing" that leads to the same old shit its the "wrong decisions" that lead to the same old shit.[/B] Bound to land a solid coach eventually. Hoped Shanny would work out. He isnt. He wont. If we win 6 or less i say thats that. [/quote]Quoted for bottom line truth.

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[quote=punch it in;960892]And if you watched the game today you would know better than to use "this team" and "superior" in the same sentence.


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It was....not pretty, no doubt.

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[quote=SmootSmack;960874]Honestly I felt strongly in 2008 that Jim Fassel was exactly what this team needed. Or Mike Sherman. I think someone who's already been a coach but is looking for a second chance to get his first ring would be ideal.

Oh well, we all know who our next coach is anyway[/quote]

SS, I am curious, who? I now feel there needs to be a change.

The below rant is my feelings after todays game.

After todays game and seeing the play calling and the performance of the players I do think it is time for a (Coaching) change. I can handle the Rookie QB making mistakes, not the veterans. The guys are to slow and missing assignments. This is a direct reflection of the coaching staff and the FO. At some point all jobs are held to be accountable. Coach Shannahan is not getting it done, and play calling is absolutely pathetic and getting worse. I understand that the team has had injuries, but so does all the other teams that seem to find away to find away to win. We just get worse, the Redskins are going for a 6 to 7 win season, which agian is where we have been for last 15- 20 years. I know that we are all getting sick of this.

Thoughts?

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[quote=skinsfan69;960771]Goat we lack talent in several areas...RT, WR, D-line, LB, and the entire secondary...oh yeah, the coaching sucks. This is 4-6 win talent. Name any of our players that are top 5 at their position? Maybe Trent Williams and that's probably it.[/quote]

Top 5 at their position:

Offense
- RG3
- Morris
- Trent Williams
- Montgomery and or Chester, who's been almost totally solid this season
- Moss as a slot WR

Defense (current scheme)
- London (he needs some scheme help in that he shouldn't ever be covering 1 on 1 on the edges, but London is still a monster in middle run stopper and actually has great ball skills as a zone cover guy in the middle)
- Kerrigan
- Bowen

Defense as it should be, in a 4-3 scheme, would add another top 5 in that Cofield will make an excellent d tackle.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;960776]Payton is going to Dallas, he lives there and he wants to coach there[/quote]

I've seen/heard this several places now! Dallas will be soooooo good under Sean Peyton.

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[quote=The Goat;960907]I've seen/heard this several places now! Dallas will be soooooo good under Sean Peyton.[/quote]

People thought that with Parcells too.

[QUOTE=Mattyk;960908]People thought that with Parcells too.[/QUOTE]

Dallas will have to find a replacement for romo soon and people that think Tony isn't any good, he's better than anyone they've had since aikman

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[quote=SmootSmack;960874]Honestly I felt strongly in 2008 that Jim Fassel was exactly what this team needed. Or Mike Sherman. I think someone who's already been a coach but is looking for a second chance to get his first ring would be ideal.

Oh well, we all know who our next coach is anyway[/quote]



So is it true that Gruden was asked prior to Shanny to come aboard and he turned us down (due to no QB, Snyder's rep and mostly loving his ESPN gig)?

I'd love gruden but he ain't leaving ESPN

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[quote=SmootSmack;960865]This is why I say Shanahan should not have been hired in the first place. He's not the right coach for this organization/fan base.[/quote]

That is fantastic!! Now the fans are the problem!!

What gets me is Mike is so ready to put it on the players. I listened to him last week and he said several times this is where vets step up and rally the team. What...the...hell...does he think his job is?

Given the last three games it's painfully obvious Mike has lost this team, and deservedly so.

For those that say a coaching change would hurt us..

Look at TB, Indianapolis, Miami

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[quote=skinsfaninok;960921]For those that say a coaching change would hurt us..

Look at TB, Indianapolis, Miami[/quote]

Woot.. I wanna play, but I'll go the other direction..

Cleveland, Dallas, Carolina!

This is fun.

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[quote=Hog1;960887]If you truly do not think the team in place today is not superior to the team MS inherited, you certainly are not up for....any realistic discussion.[/quote]

You miss the point entirely. It's debatable whether Mike has built a more talented roster than the one he inherited, but the debate is irrelevant. He doesn't win regardless.

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[quote=SmootSmack;960865]This is why I say Shanahan should not have been hired in the first place. He's not the right coach for this organization/fan base.[/quote]

Truthfully, that's ANY fan base. They are all spastic erratic kids. (like Dan Snyder)

[QUOTE=Bucket;960923]Woot.. I wanna play, but I'll go the other direction..

Cleveland, Dallas, Carolina!

This is fun.[/QUOTE]

Garrett has a winning record, Cleveland is never good and Carolina is just like us bad

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[quote=GTripp0012;960893]It's going to be a new system next year even if Shanahan survives.

The thing to avoid is having Kyle leave to take another position next year, changing systems, and then having to conclude what we already know about Mike in 2013, forcing another system change in 2014.

Just accept the inevitable, and get the long term solution in here. One change, get it right.[/quote]

Truer words....

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[quote=The Goat;960906]Top 5 at their position:

Offense
- RG3
- Morris
- Trent Williams
- Montgomery and or Chester, who's been almost totally solid this season
- Moss as a slot WR

Defense (current scheme)
- London (he needs some scheme help in that he shouldn't ever be covering 1 on 1 on the edges, but London is still a monster in middle run stopper and actually has great ball skills as a zone cover guy in the middle)
- Kerrigan
- Bowen

Defense as it should be, in a 4-3 scheme, would add another top 5 in that Cofield will make an excellent d tackle.[/quote]


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:yeahright

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[quote=Mattyk;960908]People thought that with Parcells too.[/quote]

And it was the truth. I believe Parcells had a 13-3 season, no?

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[quote=The Goat;960933]And it was the truth. I believe Parcells had a 13-3 season, no?[/quote]

No

[url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/dal/]Dallas Cowboys Team Encyclopedia - Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url]

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[quote=NC_Skins;960927]Truthfully, that's ANY fan base. They are all spastic erratic kids. (like Dan Snyder)[/quote]

I think it holds especially true for this fan base

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[quote=skinsfaninok;960928]Garrett has a winning record, Cleveland is never good and Carolina is just like us bad[/quote]

Dallas hasn't won a playoff game in longer sessions then us..

You can't throw teams up for a positive and not expect the same negative reaction. You cannot compare one team to another. Coaches go from one team to another and be successful, and sometimes don't.

It's not a fair analogy to assume if we dump Shanny and pick up all these available winning coaches on the market that we will win a SB.

I'm not a Shanny lover, but he said 5 years and i'll give him his 5 years.

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I always see Goat post "facts" and then get corrected. LOL.

[QUOTE=Bucket;960938]Dallas hasn't won a playoff game in longer sessions then us..

You can't throw teams up for a positive and not expect the same negative reaction. You cannot compare one team to another. Coaches go from one team to another and be successful, and sometimes don't.

It's not a fair analogy to assume if we dump Shanny and pick up all these available winning coaches on the market that we will win a SB.

I'm not a Shanny lover, but he said 5 years and i'll give him his 5 years.[/QUOTE]

Maybe we don't need to go after a big name coach?

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I can't believe people are asking for Shanny's pink slip already. Look at the Browns. Have they made bad decisions to led to their streak of sub-mediocrity? Sure. But what else is going against them? Any time they get a coach, they get fired and start from scratch with a new scheme. Look at the best teams consistently in the league. They build from the ground up, with a consistent focus and scheme that doesn't change from year to year. Everyone is always looking for the next "great coach" when things don't work out in the short term. Well who is to say the next hire will be any more competent than the one that was just fired? And all you have accomplished by doing that if they new hire is not successful is blowing up any continuity the team had.

This team has been bad for a long time, with a ton of terrible personnel decisions by Cerrato. We aren't going to turn things around with a snap of the fingers folks. Shanahan has a winning pedigree, he just needs time to get the building blocks in place. Our defense is atrocious this year. That will obviously be addressed this off season. We have had a lot of injuries and have not had the depth to replace them, again due to poor personnel decisions of the past leaving huge holes in our roster. Everyone needs to chill the heck out and pull for the team to get pulled together, not pulled apart.

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[quote=Mattyk;960935]No

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I was surprised to see it was Phillips. Geez oh man Phillips took over a team loaded with talent. The last time a coach walked into that kind of situation was...holy sh!t Mike Shanahan in Denver?! Mike is a better coach than Wade. Makes me feel lucky we have him lmao

Did you see Parcells went 10-6 in his first year, and Dallas was 5-11 the year before?

Parcells led the cowboys to the playoffs with Quincy Carter at qb

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[quote=SkinzWin;960942]I can't believe people are asking for Shanny's pink slip already. Look at the Browns. Have they made bad decisions to led to their streak of sub-mediocrity? Sure. But what else is going against them? Any time they get a coach, they get fired and start from scratch with a new scheme. Look at the best teams consistently in the league. They build from the ground up, with a consistent focus and scheme that doesn't change from year to year. Everyone is always looking for the next "great coach" when things don't work out in the short term. Well who is to say the next hire will be any more competent than the one that was just fired? And all you have accomplished by doing that if they new hire is not successful is blowing up any continuity the team had.

This team has been bad for a long time, with a ton of terrible personnel decisions by Cerrato. We aren't going to turn things around with a snap of the fingers folks. Shanahan has a winning pedigree, he just needs time to get the building blocks in place. Our defense is atrocious this year. That will obviously be addressed this off season. We have had a lot of injuries and have not had the depth to replace them, again due to poor personnel decisions of the past leaving huge holes in our roster. Everyone needs to chill the heck out and pull for the team to get pulled together, not pulled apart.[/quote]December 2010 called, it wants its argument back.

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I am so disgusted and disappointed that at this point, I couldn't tell you if I'd be opposed or happy to see Mike Shanahan go. I understand both arguments for and against. I'm just at this point where I'm tired of the bad luck, bad choices in coaching, bad choices in players. At some point you'd think things would change.

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[quote=The Goat;960943]I was surprised to see it was Phillips. Geez oh man Phillips took over a team loaded with talent. The last time a coach walked into that kind of situation was...holy sh!t Mike Shanahan in Denver?! Mike is a better coach than Wade. Makes me feel lucky we have him lmao

Did you see Parcells went 10-6 in his first year, and Dallas was 5-11 the year before?[/quote]

Yeah, and I see he was 0-1 playoff wise there. 34-30 overall regular season. Yawn. What are we talking about again?

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I think in the end, Mike's downfall (if there is one) will be his decision to go with Haslett as his DC. This was by far his biggest mistake. (not even the McNabb trade) Not sure what the **** he was thinking bringing in a guy who didn't want to run that particular defense, nor hadn't ran it in 11 years. You mean in that year off he couldn't find somebody worth a damn to run this defense? Romeo? Phillips? I know Zimmer was his first choice, but god damn there had to be somebody else.

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[quote=Mattyk;960952]Yeah, and I see he was 0-1 playoff wise there. 34-30 overall regular season. Yawn. [B]What are we talking about again?[/B][/quote]

Becoming a serious football team. First, you start with a serious coach. Then...

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[quote=NC_Skins;960955]I think in the end, Mike's downfall (if there is one) will be his decision to go with Haslett as his DC. This was by far his biggest mistake. (not even the McNabb trade) Not sure what the **** he was thinking bringing in a guy who didn't want to run that particular defense, nor hadn't ran it in 11 years. You mean in that year off he couldn't find somebody worth a damn to run this defense? Romeo? Phillips? I know Zimmer was his first choice, but god damn there had to be somebody else.[/quote]

I agree. He does have to answer for that and it's the biggest reason we're going nowhere this year.

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As bad as Haslett is we don't have any players. The player/personel Mike Shanahan is going to be his downfall more so than Jim Haslett. I don't think he survives this. Losing to Carolina at home with the tough part of the schedule coming up....we're looking at possibly having a 3-5 win season. The Rams could possibly have a top 3 pick next year from the Redskins.